Blood Work Post PCT. Extremely Low Test

Pharma / TRT
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Well hcg is suppressive and if you were running the serms at the same time the serms wouldn’t really be able to do their jobs. But since you in fact ran them a bit longer and you’re still suppressed is hard to know. Some people have a really hard time recovering from tren.

I also had a hard time recovering from a tren cycle, after about 5 months off I could only really get hard with some help from cialis. So after awhile I got tired of that then I ran a 6 week test P cycle, standard pct and after that I was pretty much back to normal.

You could try another pct without the hcg and see If that works.

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I come off occasionally. When I do its always with hcg during the last half of being on, with a straight test taper to trt levels and below during the last few weeks of hcg. Once at that point its a shot of triptorelin and start clomid and nolva while I taper out the sub trt level test over a couple weeks. Clomid and nolva continues for a few weeks after being totally dry. Best recovery approach I’ve experienced. Fwiw.

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OP,
You’ve been given good advice here…
As recomended, I would attempt the PCT again with clomid/ Nolva only… your layout looked good.
Following that (21-30 days later) get new bloods… Access the results. If you are improving, continue serms LOW DOSE for 30 more days.
Re test 21-30 days after that. Access results…
If this doesn’t help I would suggest consulting with Scally for 1/2 hour to get a plan for the future.
This is all applicable providing your testes have come back to size… ( some mens testes do not decrease in size when atrophied. If yours did, then you will know if they are back to size).

That being said, I to had a recovery problem similair to yours from Devil, I mean Deca…!
I recovered all serum blood hormone levels to great levels. However, my libido and proper erections were not… With the advise of Scally and him laying out a " Recovery Test only cycle" things have really straightened out… Time time time time…
I too suspect you had bunk serms or possible thought you were on tren and were not…?
Nor 19’s can trash an HPTA in no time… Deca can keep it there for 12-18 months…

Be smart, listen to experience and make good choices… the responders above are some of the best on this site…

All the best brother…

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OP,
As a side note, Before I knew what I was doing, I was on deca for 20 weeks with NO hcg…! And d-bol for 20 weeks straight @ 40mg ed…!
I did not know what I was doing… I had no libido for a year and half assed erections for a year…
Some men are poor responders to progestins… you are one.
However, good research and MANY consultations with Endos, TRT docs, Scally… I have become knowledgeable…
My point though is I am recovering… Pretty good…!
Dont jump on TRT / Hrt just yet…

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
Well hcg is suppressive and if you were running the serms at the same time the serms wouldn’t really be able to do their jobs. But since you in fact ran them a bit longer and you’re still suppressed is hard to know. Some people have a really hard time recovering from tren.

I also had a hard time recovering from a tren cycle, after about 5 months off I could only really get hard with some help from cialis. So after awhile I got tired of that then I ran a 6 week test P cycle, standard pct and after that I was pretty much back to normal.

You could try another pct without the hcg and see If that works.[/quote]

I believe Im going to try another clomid/nolva pct again and see how that goes.
it seems that most of you agree, that if I do another pct burst again, having no HCG included in this one.

so HCG should be strictly used during cycle to help maintain nut size/test production correct?

I do not mean to be questioning you guys and your experience, just trying to learn more and know for the future :slight_smile:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
OP,
You’ve been given good advice here…
As recomended, I would attempt the PCT again with clomid/ Nolva only… your layout looked good.
Following that (21-30 days later) get new bloods… Access the results. If you are improving, continue serms LOW DOSE for 30 more days.
Re test 21-30 days after that. Access results…
If this doesn’t help I would suggest consulting with Scally for 1/2 hour to get a plan for the future.
This is all applicable providing your testes have come back to size… ( some mens testes do not decrease in size when atrophied. If yours did, then you will know if they are back to size).

That being said, I to had a recovery problem similair to yours from Devil, I mean Deca…!
I recovered all serum blood hormone levels to great levels. However, my libido and proper erections were not… With the advise of Scally and him laying out a " Recovery Test only cycle" things have really straightened out… Time time time time…

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When you got your advice from this Scally, Im assuming you had to pay him to help you like a business? He is well knowledgeable I assume?

I appreciate all your advice every one, I hope I can keep learning from these vets round here!

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also another time questions for the vets and people who have replied.

My family doctor is still setting me up with a appointment with a endo, but this may be months down the road.

Would it be wiser to not do anything untill I see him so he can see my levels etc.

or

if it may be months before I see him, should I go ahead and do my clomid/nolva again now and perhaps it will improve the case before seeing him at all.

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tamoxifen has been shown to be effective for over 3 months… so i’d say, keep taking that until you reach that point.

amazing the info that’s available on the interwebz…

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Yes, Scally is a well know Trt doctor with arguably the the most knowledge in this area…
hptaxis… google it…
He’s very helpful.