Bottom line. There are bjj schools popping up everywhere. Find a good one with a good amount of black/brown belts, Go in and tell them you wanna test yourself. Video it for youtube and post a link. Otherwise…what are you talking about?
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What are the odds that a purple belt, or higher in any discipline will get into a bar fight?
I’m saying that there are way too many of the lower ranks that think they are tough because they take BJJ. This site is brimming with them.
I have no fucking clue why the BJJ fans are creaming their collective trousers over watching one of theirs subit an ex-football player.
I’m not a fighter. If there werea BJJ dojo (or whatever you call them) nearby - I might take lessons. But in a life or death situation - why worry about that shit? in real life - anything goes. That means bottles, bricks, bats, and even guns.
If you want to talk about the athleticism, and skill required to become proficient in BJJ, that’s fine. But I have a problem when people start videoing mismatches to make their sport look more appealing to the masses.
Put simply - BJJ is a great martial art, but it is not the savior of the world, and just because you are taking lessons does not make you part of the fraternity that the Gracies have made famous.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
XxMAGxX wrote:
Please state examples. Most guys in the UFC are at least purple belts. Anderson Silva (yeah the “stand-up guy”) is a bjj black belt.
Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, Rampage, Cro Cop.
Good for Silva. [/quote]
You do realize that Hughes is and has always been from the Miletich camp? Miletech is a bjj black belt.
You do realize that Cro cop got arm barred by Nogura, a bjj black belt, and after seeing that he had a major weakness in his ground game he employed Werdun, a bjj black belt, to show him how not to get caught like that again?
And Chuck liddel also trains bjj.
Oh, and BTW: modern day mma rules favor strikers with frequent stand ups because fans think that ground fighting is “gay”. This means that bjjers and wrestlers have the opportunity to get koed more frequently than initially when there was no stand up rule.
True, but if liddell with the punching power he has still thinks that he needs to train it - I think that should tell you how important it is.[quote]
I never said it was easy, but it can be done, and is done on a fairly regular basis. Cro Cop, Rampager, Hughes, just to name some of the top guys. [/quote]
Again, Cro-cop got subbed by a pure bjjer, Nog, and then hired the best bjjer available to teach him how not to get caught again.
If Cro-cop, with the striking ability and sprawling ability he has can get caught, what does that say about you’re average red-neck that thinks he will “left hook” his way out?[/quote]
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You guys that want to train BJJ - knock yourselves out. Just don’t waste bandwidth being BJJ missionaries.
What should we talk about? Steroids?
Newsflash, sparky - this is a bodybuilding site. Do you even lift weights? You might want to start there - but whatever. [/quote]
This is the off topic forum, Sparky! If we talk about steroids and weight lifting in the off topic, what are we supposed to talk about in all the other forums?[quote]
And maybe quit using NFL players to try and make some sort of point.
It’s called expanding fan base. Sometimes people need to reference point before they open their minds to anything new.
I have bought and paid for every UFC fight for the last 3 years. I don’t need to see BJJ guy kicking the shit out of an untrained ex-NFL pro to get excited.
If that’s what your discipline needs to expand it’s fan base - maybe you should hire a new marketing guy. [/quote]
I agree, the UFC could do much better.
The gracies have been trying to get tyson since the 80s when he was in his prime. The answer has always been “no”. Trust me, pro-boxers make way more $ than mmaer so they have way more to lose. That why you will never see a pro-boxer in mma.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Are people supposed to cower in fear of the mighty CL’s posting strength?
LMMFNBJJAO!!!
Internet tough guys…gotta wonder, WTF?
LOL. Well, one, “flames” don’t bother me in the least. They do bother others, so there’s something to not caring about online “attacks.” Two, I have no doubts as to what would happen if you ran your mouth off like that to me in person. Keep typing, though, if it makes you feel tough.
INTERNET FIGHT!!![/quote]
I know… I need to stop this madness. I don’t know why I ever leave the Ass/Black/Rack/Blonde/Curves/Brunette/Asian worship threads…
I have learned a great deal here today. Back to the Sex forum
I have a few things to say about this. This match was one sided the football player had no moves(he didnt know how to submit). Second These guys are putting bjj into there system, Its not like there going pure bjj. Third I dont care what kind of martal arts you train, If the football player would have punched him in the face right off the bat the fight would have looked different(please note this also goes with point 1).
[quote]John S. wrote:
I have a few things to say about this. This match was one sided the football player had no moves(he didnt know how to submit). Second These guys are putting bjj into there system, Its not like there going pure bjj. Third I dont care what kind of martal arts you train, If the football player would have punched him in the face right off the bat the fight would have looked different(please note this also goes with point 1).[/quote]
So if punching was involved you don’t think Gil would also punch?
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
John S. wrote:
I have a few things to say about this. This match was one sided the football player had no moves(he didnt know how to submit). Second These guys are putting bjj into there system, Its not like there going pure bjj. Third I dont care what kind of martal arts you train, If the football player would have punched him in the face right off the bat the fight would have looked different(please note this also goes with point 1).
So if punching was involved you don’t think Gil would also punch?
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I assume he would have but even you must admit the fight wouldnt have been so one sided. The problem with the vid is it gave the football player no way to win.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Scrappy wrote:
John S. wrote:
I have a few things to say about this. This match was one sided the football player had no moves(he didnt know how to submit). Second These guys are putting bjj into there system, Its not like there going pure bjj. Third I dont care what kind of martal arts you train, If the football player would have punched him in the face right off the bat the fight would have looked different(please note this also goes with point 1).
So if punching was involved you don’t think Gil would also punch?
I assume he would have but even you must admit the fight wouldnt have been so one sided. The problem with the vid is it gave the football player no way to win.
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I think it would’ve been worse. But anyway the point is this. Did Gil say he could beat anyone in the NFL or did the NFL guy say ‘I could beat this little dude and I’ll never tap to him’…I bet it was the NFL guy challenging Gil. He probably wrecked some white belt and thought BJJ was a joke. I don’t imagine Gil said, ’ I could play in the NFL’…
That is my point. BJJ’ers that I know, good ones, want to learn and teach and compete with OTHER grapplers, gi guys or mma guys…whatever they like. They do not go around challenging people.
What happens to me personally is usually my girlfriend or someone in my family will tell someone at a party or something that I do some wrestling/karate stuff. I hate this. They don’t really do it anymore but it used to be that someone would say he did
Karate/boxing/wrestling and they would say oh yeah…he does something like that too…or they would talk about fighting in some way. Talk about how they want to go to the ufc or something like that. Anyway, I never say anything cause I don’t care. But on occassion I have rolled with these people and it’s like, they really don’t know what they are doing.
And actually I rolled with 2 guys from the NFL. They were super strong. One guy was cool the other more of a prick. Whatever.
Look if these NFL guys I rolled with trained in bjj or mma. In one year they would probably kill me. They were just big, strong and flexible. But they don’t train so they don’t know what to do.
either way. It is not saying bjj is the be all end all. No way. It is saying if you don’t train the sport of bjj/mma whatever and you wanna learn that’s cool. If you don’t train and you think you can beat people who do, well there are plenty of opportunities to find out where you stand.
Just to bother more people
BJJ vs. Big guy. This is not me talking or rolling or anything. The bjj guy is blue or purple and the big guy wanted to test himself…This is from the straight blast gym in denmark
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"One of my friends friend was having a bachelor party and one of the things they where doing was a “grappling challenge match” event because he had been bragging about that he had never lost a grappling match in his martial arts carreer (I believe he had done some JKD and stuff like that).
They wanted me to do it initially but I thought it would be cooler to have Ken do it as he is 15 kilos lighter than me. So here it is, Ken Allen (70,5 kg) vs. Big soon-to-be-married guy (106 kg):"
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
John S. wrote:
Scrappy wrote:
John S. wrote:
I have a few things to say about this. This match was one sided the football player had no moves(he didnt know how to submit). Second These guys are putting bjj into there system, Its not like there going pure bjj. Third I dont care what kind of martal arts you train, If the football player would have punched him in the face right off the bat the fight would have looked different(please note this also goes with point 1).
So if punching was involved you don’t think Gil would also punch?
I assume he would have but even you must admit the fight wouldnt have been so one sided. The problem with the vid is it gave the football player no way to win.
I think it would’ve been worse. But anyway the point is this. Did Gil say he could beat anyone in the NFL or did the NFL guy say ‘I could beat this little dude and I’ll never tap to him’…I bet it was the NFL guy challenging Gil. He probably wrecked some white belt and thought BJJ was a joke. I don’t imagine Gil said, ’ I could play in the NFL’…
That is my point. BJJ’ers that I know, good ones, want to learn and teach and compete with OTHER grapplers, gi guys or mma guys…whatever they like. They do not go around challenging people.
What happens to me personally is usually my girlfriend or someone in my family will tell someone at a party or something that I do some wrestling/karate stuff. I hate this. They don’t really do it anymore but it used to be that someone would say he did
Karate/boxing/wrestling and they would say oh yeah…he does something like that too…or they would talk about fighting in some way. Talk about how they want to go to the ufc or something like that. Anyway, I never say anything cause I don’t care. But on occassion I have rolled with these people and it’s like, they really don’t know what they are doing.
And actually I rolled with 2 guys from the NFL. They were super strong. One guy was cool the other more of a prick. Whatever.
Look if these NFL guys I rolled with trained in bjj or mma. In one year they would probably kill me. They were just big, strong and flexible. But they don’t train so they don’t know what to do.
either way. It is not saying bjj is the be all end all. No way. It is saying if you don’t train the sport of bjj/mma whatever and you wanna learn that’s cool. If you don’t train and you think you can beat people who do, well there are plenty of opportunities to find out where you stand.
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I do agree with you he probably started it, But this was just a grappling match plus the football player had many times to put him in submissions if he knew what he was doing. Now I have to disagree if it was a fist fight it would have been a different game(think alot of ground and pound going on). I have to agree bjj has its place but Alot of people are running around calling it the end all(not in this thread).
But from my personal experance I find Strength, speed, and a cool head usually win you the fight.
Anyway, where I train we get beginners every week. There are cool ones, but many think they’re ‘tough’. Nothing wrong with starting out in a sport or even wanting to see what you got in it. The problem is when they come in and clearly think they can kick ass. Some act like strong/silent type some actually talk shit or when you teach them they start saying how they’d counter it or whatever.
These guys may be big, strong, lean, fast and/or look in shape. They are usually the ones who puke during the warm up and spaz on some other beginner during sparring but go no where after their first burst doesn’t work.
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This is very true…first off i haven’t done martial arts for a good 2 years. But i did train MMA for about a year and a half. I wasn’t any good but i got stuck in and did my best.
Big guys used to turn up every now and again with even bigger egos. I used to weigh about 145lbs at the time and guys who weighed 200lbs+, usually lifters, doormen, rugby players would show up. You’d never see them again after the first 1 or 2 sessions becuase they couldn’t take the fact that little guys with a bit of training where knocking them around a bit. If they’d only swallowed their pride they’d be knocking most the little guys around after a few months.
I do agree with you he probably started it, But this was just a grappling match plus the football player had many times to put him in submissions if he knew what he was doing. Now I have to disagree if it was a fist fight it would have been a different game(think alot of ground and pound going on). I have to agree bjj has its place but Alot of people are running around calling it the end all(not in this thread).
But from my personal experance I find Strength, speed, and a cool head usually win you the fight.[/quote]
Man, the point is if there was punching do you think Gil would’ve done the same things??? Don’t you think he would’ve adjusted for that. I mean when you do bjj with a gi, no gi grappling or mma you approach them differently. If I’m in a gi training BJJ I’ll try things I would never do in MMA. It’s a totally different premise when you say there’ll be punches and Gil would adjust accordingly.
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
John S. wrote:
Scrappy wrote:
I do agree with you he probably started it, But this was just a grappling match plus the football player had many times to put him in submissions if he knew what he was doing. Now I have to disagree if it was a fist fight it would have been a different game(think alot of ground and pound going on). I have to agree bjj has its place but Alot of people are running around calling it the end all(not in this thread).
But from my personal experance I find Strength, speed, and a cool head usually win you the fight.
Man, the point is if there was punching do you think Gil would’ve done the same things??? Don’t you think he would’ve adjusted for that. I mean when you do bjj with a gi, no gi grappling or mma you approach them differently. If I’m in a gi training BJJ I’ll try things I would never do in MMA. It’s a totally different premise when you say there’ll be punches and Gil would adjust accordingly.
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If it was a fight there would be alot of stuff ufc wouldnt allow, Im sure you would see throat strikes, knees to faces(when there on the ground) and exc. Now im going to leave this because this is turning into a my dad could beat up your dad debate. Just one last thing, this is a grapling match and nothing more.
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
Just to bother more people
BJJ vs. Big guy. This is not me talking or rolling or anything. The bjj guy is blue or purple and the big guy wanted to test himself…This is from the straight blast gym in denmark
-------it is Taken from another site-------
"One of my friends friend was having a bachelor party and one of the things they where doing was a “grappling challenge match” event because he had been bragging about that he had never lost a grappling match in his martial arts carreer (I believe he had done some JKD and stuff like that).
They wanted me to do it initially but I thought it would be cooler to have Ken do it as he is 15 kilos lighter than me. So here it is, Ken Allen (70,5 kg) vs. Big soon-to-be-married guy (106 kg):"
What I see with video like this and of the NFL player is a challenger with no grappling skill what so ever, and someone with a moderate level of skill taking him apart.
The big guy must have never been in a grappling match if he never lost one.
It reminds me of a lot of the wrestling matches I would get in to (and still occasionaly do). It’s completely one sided, and the opponent stands no chance.
They are kind of fun from a goofing around perspective, but can’t be considered an appreciable show of skill.
For me, I like watching opponents with similar levels of training and skill. Seeing one opponent with no skills getting cherry picked by someone who is obviously in a whole different class is kind of empty.
LOL. Well, one, “flames” don’t bother me in the least. They do bother others, so there’s something to not caring about online “attacks.” Two, I have no doubts as to what would happen if you ran your mouth off like that to me in person. Keep typing, though, if it makes you feel tough.
Dude - with all due respect, you are the so full of shit it’s not even funny.
Now you are the benevolent protector of all that wear pajamas to fight class?
Tough? I’m not the one the guy strutting around offering protection and making threats.
I just have 3 words if you really think I give a shit about your purple belt, and all the fury you can rain down on me and my comments:
CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.
Now don’t you have some boards to break with your elbow, or some shit?
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What many people don’t realize is the awareness people who have a high degree of skill with self defense have. I was a lightly trained martial artist with a lot of training with firearms. And a permit to carry. I could spot all the tough guys and trouble makers in the bar in a few minutes. The real tough guys, and the guys who think they are tough.
A person who has been around on the streets will have this. And if you don’t have it, be careful because the people that do have seen you before you see them.
I once saw a guy in the bar that bothered me. He was not causing a problem with his actions, but the radar caught him as being a potential problem. So I struck up a conversation. During the conversation he told me how he had studied various martial arts for over 20 years.
He asked me if I had any self defense training and just told him a little. He then told me I was the only guy in the bar that would worry him. He didn’t know why, but he knew I would be a problem. The problem was the Glock 23 on the right hip.
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.