What kind of place were you in that you needed to have a Glock?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.[/quote]
The smartest guys are the ones that don’t get into a bad situation in the first place.
I am not a fighter. I am old enough to laugh at the wanna be gangstas.
But If the situation presents itself - I will not stop short of deadly force to protect me or my family.
Yes I have a permit. No - it does not make me any tougher.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.
The smartest guys are the ones that don’t get into a bad situation in the first place.
I am not a fighter. I am old enough to laugh at the wanna be gangstas.
But If the situation presents itself - I will not stop short of deadly force to protect me or my family.
Yes I have a permit. No - it does not make me any tougher. [/quote]
Yeah I haven’t been in a ‘real’ fight in a while. I’m 32. I would of course avoid real fights. I don’t have a gun but that’s just me.
But there is a need for bjj type stuff. We have a lot of cops where I train. They can’t just shoot every disorderly person they come across. But they do need to do something when people get rowdy. It can help with that. But for non law enforcement, like me, I totally agree. You can usually recognize trouble and troubled areas and if you go looking you’ll usually find it.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
What many people don’t realize is the awareness people who have a high degree of skill with self defense have. I was a lightly trained martial artist with a lot of training with firearms. And a permit to carry. I could spot all the tough guys and trouble makers in the bar in a few minutes. The real tough guys, and the guys who think they are tough.
A person who has been around on the streets will have this. And if you don’t have it, be careful because the people that do have seen you before you see them.
I once saw a guy in the bar that bothered me. He was not causing a problem with his actions, but the radar caught him as being a potential problem. So I struck up a conversation. During the conversation he told me how he had studied various martial arts for over 20 years.
He asked me if I had any self defense training and just told him a little. He then told me I was the only guy in the bar that would worry him. He didn’t know why, but he knew I would be a problem. The problem was the Glock 23 on the right hip.
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.[/quote]
Was that bar the Double Deuce?
DB
[quote]treco wrote:
What kind of place were you in that you needed to have a Glock?
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If you were ever trained to a high degree in combat with a handgun, you will be taught to carry a gun at all times. The idea is to carry a weapon in case something happens.
You don’t know when you will need it, so you have it at all times with you as allowed by law. An old saying says you carry a pistol when you don’t think you need a gun. You carry a rifle when you think you do. of course they will also tell you if you think you need one where you are going, don’t go there.
Carrying a concealed weapon is like having a fire extiguisher in your home. You hope you don’t need it, but are very happy that is there in case.
As part of training, you are taught to observe situations and your surroundings constantly. Actually, an unarmed person should also be doing this, since your awareness as I said will save you unarmed or armed.
A gun is just a last emergency resort. My point in posting earlier was just to illustrate that people with training and a high degree of awareness smoke out trouble very early. And if you’re a numbnuts tough guy, they won’t be there when you start your nonsense, or have seen you before you see them.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.
The smartest guys are the ones that don’t get into a bad situation in the first place.
I am not a fighter. I am old enough to laugh at the wanna be gangstas.
But If the situation presents itself - I will not stop short of deadly force to protect me or my family.
Yes I have a permit. No - it does not make me any tougher. [/quote]
Exactly, anyone who carries a gun should have made the same decision before they ever carry. I would have no hesitation in using a gun to save myslef or family.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
What many people don’t realize is the awareness people who have a high degree of skill with self defense have. I was a lightly trained martial artist with a lot of training with firearms. And a permit to carry. I could spot all the tough guys and trouble makers in the bar in a few minutes. The real tough guys, and the guys who think they are tough.
A person who has been around on the streets will have this. And if you don’t have it, be careful because the people that do have seen you before you see them.
I once saw a guy in the bar that bothered me. He was not causing a problem with his actions, but the radar caught him as being a potential problem. So I struck up a conversation. During the conversation he told me how he had studied various martial arts for over 20 years.
He asked me if I had any self defense training and just told him a little. He then told me I was the only guy in the bar that would worry him. He didn’t know why, but he knew I would be a problem. The problem was the Glock 23 on the right hip.
The first thing you need in self defense training is to recognize trouble and not be there when it happens. Your awareness will save you more than anything else. BJJ, Kung Fu, etc., etc. Do not work against a trained gun guy who made you first. And I mean trained, not some clown wanna be gangsta.
Was that bar the Double Deuce?
DB[/quote]
Just a local place with a guy that I knew could be trouble if he decided to be. I didn’t see him around before, so I decided to make friends. turns out he was a good fellow.
The point is you will know potential trouble after some training. Doesn’t mean they are trouble, you just can pick out the real tough guys.
A friend told me years ago that the real tough guys don’t cause trouble, it’s the mid level tough guys that don’t know quite were they stand. They will “interview” you to see if they want to fight you. If you pass the fight is on.
True tough guys don’t bother. They know if someone is a threat or not and will only get involved if they have to. They don’t start trouble.
For what its worth, the majority of guys that having been training BJJ for awhile (over 4 years) are some of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. There is no room for the “badass” ego in a training environment where you can easily hurt someone permanently, or get hurt yourself…there is just no way someone would last if they were a straight up asshole. None of them (purple belts and above) would provoke a fight when out and about town, and only a few look like they are bad asses. For the most part, they are average guys who have found a sport they enjoy and make no claims about their ability to defeat someone in something other than BJJ, but I’d say they are better equipped than a lot of people.
While some do it for self-defense or MMA purposes or because they watched a couple of UFCs, most do it because they enjoy it. It is not something you can just pick up in a couple of years. Much like weight lifting, it is a life-long commitment as evidenced by the fact that our instructor will not give out a black belt to a guy with less than 10 years(except in extremely rare cases where the guy is an absolute bad ass at jiu-jitsu, and those are few and far between)
Obviously a gun is better in a fight, even the famed Rickson Gracie said as much during an early UFC broadcast when asked what would be the best defense against multiple attackers. But there aren’t many instances where I’d be okay shooting some dude in the street, and if you’re carrying at a bar, I sure hope you’re not drinking.
That just seems a bit idiotic to me, but its simply my opinion and preference to train in BJJ and boxing, it doesn’t make me a badass, it just means I practice BJJ…I’m weighing about 220 right now and I’m sure there’s some dude that’s a buck-fifty out there right now who could kick the shit out of me. Good for him.
You never want to carry and have even one drink. It impairs your judgment and reactions to much, even at a single drink. That and the liability involved.
Most people that I know that have learned a high level of martial arts, shooting, or any other self defense are very nice people. They’re not the ones causing problems in public.
It just goes to show you, the true tough guys keep it under wraps. If you think your self defense training makes you badass, you haven’t learned enough yet in what can go wrong on the street.
People that have been around the block see trouble coming and avoid it if there is any opportunity.
It has been said that I have threatened murder in this this thread.
I want to clear up any misconception. If any one is of the belief that I have threatened ANYONE’S life here - I apologize.
My point was simply that there is a difference in fighting, and fighting for keeps.
I would never draw a weapon on anyone in a fit of anger, or to prove my manhood, or in any non life-threatening situation.
But I will not apologize for my willingness to use deadly force if my life, or the life of my family is in danger.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
keaster wrote:
Are you projecting onto others. Freud would be proud.
I take it that you just finished an intro to psychonanalsis in your high school psychology course. Your teacher would be proude that you can handle such “deep” concepts of projection. (Oooh… I said “deep.” That must be a Freudian slip.)[/quote]
No actually I am a psyc major in university.