Definitely will do so, I go surf in SD fairly often anyway and I’ll be down there a bit since it’s winter so I’ll have to see about stopping through if possible to roll or even just watch.
I actually have a question:
When I go for an arm-drag from butterfly guard I often have trouble getting my hips out far enough to get to my opps back. Any tips?
[quote]Bigjitsu wrote:
Kmcnyc: I think you meant momentum not inertia 
But otherwise good answer, I would have had to check. Although I am confused by this "a slick player trap your ankle or use it from hooks… ". Are we thinking the same move?[quote]
thanks BigJ
I did mean momemtum
I had not seen that video before, thanks!
and we are talking about the same move
You can use the koshi jime or clock choke from many places…
That is what I meant by being easy to apply.
you can be riding hooks Okuri eri jime
that one looks like this
and I have seen it from the north south too.
the first one is excellent.
thanks
kmc
[quote]Bigjitsu wrote:
I actually have a question:
When I go for an arm-drag from butterfly guard I often have trouble getting my hips out far enough to get to my opps back. Any tips?[/quote]
How is he stopping you? Two tips that helped me a lot with that (as taught to me by Felipe Costa). Number one: everyone drags the elbow across well, but many people don’t push the wrist across well.
For example, you are reaching across and grabbing your opponents right elbow with your right hand. Your left hand is holding his wrist. It is good to pull his elbow across, but also push his wrist across with your left hand to prevent that hand of his from getting in the way and stopping you.
Number two: same situation, as you start to come around to his back, focus on getting on the ball of your right foot. Many people leave that foot flat and that slows them down and limits your ability to move and adjust. Come up on the ball of that foot as you begin to take his back and you’ll be much quicker. This is one of the reasons Marcello is so damn quick with this move.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
places…
That is what I meant by being easy to apply.
you can be riding hooks Okuri eri jime
that one looks like this
and I have seen it from the north south too.
the first one is excellent.
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That first video was super cool, although not what I would think of as a clock choke on the finish… but thats just semantics. In fact thats going to be my move of the week next week.
The Second would be too easy to defend simply by pulling the lapel, I know because I’ve tried and tried and tried.
The third- those are some husky women. But that is what I would think of as a clock choke, because you are moving like a clock, namely sweeping your legs in a semi-circular motion.
All in all good shit though. Thanks Kmcnyc
[quote]danew wrote:
Bigjitsu wrote:
I actually have a question:
When I go for an arm-drag from butterfly guard I often have trouble getting my hips out far enough to get to my opps back. Any tips?
How is he stopping you? Two tips that helped me a lot with that (as taught to me by Felipe Costa). Number one: everyone drags the elbow across well, but many people don’t push the wrist across well.
For example, you are reaching across and grabbing your opponents right elbow with your right hand. Your left hand is holding his wrist. It is good to pull his elbow across, but also push his wrist across with your left hand to prevent that hand of his from getting in the way and stopping you.
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Danew,
Thanks, I was forgetting to pass the hand and then drag the elbow, just going straight for the elbow. Which is why I kept pulling my opp more forward then to the side.
Thanks again!
Hey no problem…great thread I think.
One of the biggest issues I’m starting to have is making the cross over to full MMA fighting. Not having a Gi where you’re used to having a grab point is a difficult thing to master, and often I find myself reaching for sweaty skin or air on instinct.
For those of you who have made the cross to MMA, what challenges did you find yourself facing?
[quote]eitelmj wrote:
One of the biggest issues I’m starting to have is making the cross over to full MMA fighting. Not having a Gi where you’re used to having a grab point is a difficult thing to master, and often I find myself reaching for sweaty skin or air on instinct.
For those of you who have made the cross to MMA, what challenges did you find yourself facing?[/quote]
I actually found it easier. I LOVED working gi, far beyond no-gi, simply because it was more technical, and it forces you to have a tighter game. The biggest trick to learn was to simply use the cupping grip when you’re trying to latch on somewhere.
You may find that “relaxing” a bit will help because there are FAR fewer things that you’ll NOT be getting caught in in MMA. Of course there is that whole getting hit thing…
Then remember that you can get away with more without the gi as well. You’re open to use more gross body movement to accomplish what you’d like to, which in and of itself is an adjustment.
Do you find yourself fighting from guard, or top more?
(as background, since I’m new to the forum, not to MMA; I don’t want to sound like a know it all rube. I’ve been doing it a very long time. Started BJJ in 95, directly under a Master level Brazilian, even owned schools with him.)
[quote]chokeu2 wrote:
eitelmj wrote:
One of the biggest issues I’m starting to have is making the cross over to full MMA fighting. Not having a Gi where you’re used to having a grab point is a difficult thing to master, and often I find myself reaching for sweaty skin or air on instinct.
For those of you who have made the cross to MMA, what challenges did you find yourself facing?
I actually found it easier. I LOVED working gi, far beyond no-gi, simply because it was more technical, and it forces you to have a tighter game. The biggest trick to learn was to simply use the cupping grip when you’re trying to latch on somewhere.
You may find that “relaxing” a bit will help because there are FAR fewer things that you’ll NOT be getting caught in in MMA. Of course there is that whole getting hit thing…
Then remember that you can get away with more without the gi as well. You’re open to use more gross body movement to accomplish what you’d like to, which in and of itself is an adjustment.
Do you find yourself fighting from guard, or top more?
(as background, since I’m new to the forum, not to MMA; I don’t want to sound like a know it all rube. I’ve been doing it a very long time. Started BJJ in 95, directly under a Master level Brazilian, even owned schools with him.)[/quote]
An interesting look at things. I guess my biggest thing is that I’ve been doing Jukite for SO long, and doing work with the Gi for SO long, that it’s become second nature.
My coach has me in a dedicated “No Gi” class at the moment to try to get over it, but that muscle memory is still there.
As to your question: I spent a good majority of my childhood and teenage years wrestling and doing Jukite. I’m comfortable on my back, however I tend to have “heavy hips” and most often find myself trying to take top mount as much as possible.
[quote]eitelmj wrote:
An interesting look at things. I guess my biggest thing is that I’ve been doing Jukite for SO long, and doing work with the Gi for SO long, that it’s become second nature.
My coach has me in a dedicated “No Gi” class at the moment to try to get over it, but that muscle memory is still there.
As to your question: I spent a good majority of my childhood and teenage years wrestling and doing Jukite. I’m comfortable on my back, however I tend to have “heavy hips” and most often find myself trying to take top mount as much as possible.
[/quote]
Bro, if I still had my schools, you’d be the kind of guy that we’d try and pull onto the team. Look at it this way… In all likelihood you are probably more technical than most MMA guys. You have more technique at your command, and less to worry about on the mats. All you need to do is add striking, and that will be easier for you to do, than for the average MMA guy (and most are average at best) to compete or fight against you. He’d have to step up the grappling game AND his striking game.
Even without the gi, you’ll still be more perceptive to even the slightest movements that he makes because that is what you are used to, and it will absolutely give you more opportunities to advance position, strike, or end.
I think that is is awesome that you’ve focused on gi work. Most guys don’t do that, they want to be a bad ass in a hurry; and they think that sub grappling and MMA is the way to get there. All of the best guys built their chops in a gi. I’ve been fortunate to train with the guys from Brazilian Top Team in Brazil, Sperry, Bustamante, etc. To a man, hyper technical, all had a gi focus early on. They are a dying breed though, because it takes too long to get technical. But it sounds like you’re off to an awesome start.
Out of curiosity, and if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?
Well, Im off to compete this weekend, and likely won’t be hitting the forums for awhile, but looks like your BJJ questions are in good hands with chokeu2.
[quote]chokeu2 wrote:
Out of curiosity, and if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?[/quote]
I appreciate the vote of confidence and compliments.
I don’t mind you asking at all. I am 28 years old.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Guillotine sweep! I saw it in an old Royler Gracie book, and have never been taught it in any of the many schools I’ve trained at.
I am the ONLY guy I see using this. Why? No clue, since it’s super effective. I’ve even caught brown belts with it.
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I wanted to say thanks again for posting this, I pulled it off in class today. Wouldn’t have known what to do without the video (evidently they drilled it two weeks ago, but I missed that day).
Thank you!
Any tips on escaping the triangle? Assuming he doesn’t have your shoulder cleared yet, but is figure foured around your neck and armpit.
[quote]pch2 wrote:
Any tips on escaping the triangle? Assuming he doesn’t have your shoulder cleared yet, but is figure foured around your neck and armpit. [/quote]
The most effective and best escape is to immediately, violently and ly posture. Posture up and sit back some, then (and I say then even though it should be ASAP, so really it should almost be at the same instant) stand up and keep posture. Two quick tips: do not let him drag your arm across. Once this happens, it’s very bad.
Also, try to avoid allowing him to grab the top of your head with your head down. In other words, once you have postured up, do not look down again. If he can pull your chin to your chest he can break your posture. If you can’t posture then you can try circling to break open his legs. I’ll be honest though, when rolling with a good guy, that escape doesn’t work much unless you are particularly explosive.
there are plenty of things you can do to help escape the triangle but really it has to happen fast.
making space
posturing up
stacking
passing
you really don’t want to to be one arm in and one out you have to be two arms in or two arms out that is the mantra but it sounds like you know that.
making space if you are into the triangle
with one arm you want to make space
you can send your palm to your ear…
your palm should be on your ear and your elbow should be pointed like a birds beak.
making a little space with your flexed arm
your also in control of your limbs with this.
if you loose control of your arm they can transition to the armbar, or continue with the triangle
Posturing up you want to keep your head up straight , if they don’t have your arm they are going to want to pull your head down.
even more so without an arm
so you need to sit up and back posture up
and keep your head straight.
from there you need to grab the front of their thigh or gi pants with both hands.
this does two things allows you to control
your arms and their leg, and maybe their hips.
You might be able to break the figure four there. maybe not, you can lift their thigh
into the air… or apply pressure to their
opposite hip with your elbow depends if you want to stack or pass.
make space
Posture up
grab the front of their thigh.
If you are very athletic you can drive forward from your knees and stack your opponent you can use a can opener here
if you like
Another way to stack is to wrap your arms
around their thigh pinning it to your shoulder and head, and drive forward and lift
their thigh straight up. you are going to have to get to your feet to do this,
so try not to take a wide stance- protect your feet from their ability to grab or hook it.
as you drive forward you can start to turn them to their stomach.
GSp explains this one better than me.
If you are less athletic or don’t have the power to stack. you can pass.
grab the thigh ,keep your inside elbow tight
to you, as you posture up you are going to pull them onto your hips… into a higher guard sometimes this is enough to break the triangle.
sometimes from this postured up position
you will need downward pressure from your inside elbow, post with your feet and put your knee on their chest… and you can pull the legs apart this way.
hard to explain.
here are some good vids form submissions 101
another athletic variant
and this one is one I have seen in judo too.
hope this is a good start
kmc
Great post KMC… super informative you even gave damn video lol
With stacking btw, i noticed a lot of people like to stack but basically still keep their head down. If you don’t stack AND posture up, then you’re just letting him sink a deeper triangle.
if you’re might weight and it’s not too deep honestly i’m just doing the ‘caveman’ method that KMC linked to and slamming you… probably 3-4x.
Problem with the “sit and pry” is that i knwo a buddy who specifically triangles so he can get toe holds. That’s a gold mine for him.
I like the GSP way, cause him pain to create a reaction.
i like this too…
u better be quick tho
When I’m caught in the triangle choke I like stacking to the point where I’m driving the guy into a hamstring stretch. The other ones mentioned are also great, just watch out for the armbar counter.