BJJ Athlete/MMA Fighter

Pharma / TRT
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Hey what’s up guys. This forum has been great and I’ve spent tons of time on T-Nation and other sites researching everything I can so I can start my first cycle before I get ready to compete again next year. So here’s my cycle plan

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 250mg
PCT 3-4 weeks of Nolvadex

I know it’s simple but I’m only at 8-10% body fat I’m 5’4 155lbs soaking wet. My goal is to get stronger and put on approximately 8 lbs of solid muscle mass. I want to stay lean and not to far from my competing weight which is 150 lbs.

I also have a few basic questions
I started training mma in 06’ did a lot of circuit training and calisthenics. I stayed away from the weight room for a long time thinking it would hinders performance in the cage. I’ve only been lifting serious for about 2 months should I wait to add in gear?

How will the gear affect my flexibility?
What would be the pros/cons of getting on/off cycle for competition days? Should I run my cycle threw comps or wait at least a Or so when my t levels get back up? Does it matter at all??

Thank you this site has been of great help

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[quote]BRBJJMGMA wrote:
Hey what’s up guys. This forum has been great and I’ve spent tons of time on T-Nation and other sites researching everything I can so I can start my first cycle before I get ready to compete again next year. So here’s my cycle plan

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 250mg
PCT 3-4 weeks of Nolvadex

I know it’s simple but I’m only at 8-10% body fat I’m 5’4 155lbs soaking wet. My goal is to get stronger and put on approximately 8 lbs of solid muscle mass. I want to stay lean and not to far from my competing weight which is 150 lbs.

I also have a few basic questions
I started training mma in 06’ did a lot of circuit training and calisthenics. I stayed away from the weight room for a long time thinking it would hinders performance in the cage. I’ve only been lifting serious for about 2 months should I wait to add in gear?

How will the gear affect my flexibility?
What would be the pros/cons of getting on/off cycle for competition days? Should I run my cycle threw comps or wait at least a Or so when my t levels get back up? Does it matter at all??

Thank you this site has been of great help [/quote]

Oh man oh man. DEFINITELY WAIT to add AAS. You want an 8 lb gain and strength by next year? Man you don’t need AAS for that. You need to freaking eat!

If you wanted 8 lbs of muscle by next MONTH…maybe. You have a year man. Besides which, your goal of gaining 8 lbs of muscle will be easily accomplished with a heavy strength training program and sensible flexibility work.

I’ve trained a couple MMA fighters who fought in the pro ranks. The gains you’re talking about are easily and safely done without AAS. Please don’t use it. The much, much bigger part of the puzzle is how you are training and how you are eating.

You might get ripped a new one by other posters for saying “I’ve only been seriously lifting for 2 months” followed immediately by “I want to use steroids”.

If you really wanted to, you could gain 3x the amount of your “goal” naturally. Granted all of that wouldn’t happen in a year, but you could do it.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]BRBJJMGMA wrote:
Hey what’s up guys. This forum has been great and I’ve spent tons of time on T-Nation and other sites researching everything I can so I can start my first cycle before I get ready to compete again next year. So here’s my cycle plan

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 250mg
PCT 3-4 weeks of Nolvadex

I know it’s simple but I’m only at 8-10% body fat I’m 5’4 155lbs soaking wet. My goal is to get stronger and put on approximately 8 lbs of solid muscle mass. I want to stay lean and not to far from my competing weight which is 150 lbs.

I also have a few basic questions
I started training mma in 06’ did a lot of circuit training and calisthenics. I stayed away from the weight room for a long time thinking it would hinders performance in the cage. I’ve only been lifting serious for about 2 months should I wait to add in gear?

How will the gear affect my flexibility?
What would be the pros/cons of getting on/off cycle for competition days? Should I run my cycle threw comps or wait at least a Or so when my t levels get back up? Does it matter at all??

Thank you this site has been of great help [/quote]

Oh man oh man. DEFINITELY WAIT to add AAS. You want an 8 lb gain and strength by next year? Man you don’t need AAS for that. You need to freaking eat!

If you wanted 8 lbs of muscle by next MONTH…maybe. You have a year man. Besides which, your goal of gaining 8 lbs of muscle will be easily accomplished with a heavy strength training program and sensible flexibility work.

I’ve trained a couple MMA fighters who fought in the pro ranks. The gains you’re talking about are easily and safely done without AAS. Please don’t use it. The much, much bigger part of the puzzle is how you are training and how you are eating.

You might get ripped a new one by other posters for saying “I’ve only been seriously lifting for 2 months” followed immediately by “I want to use steroids”.

If you really wanted to, you could gain 3x the amount of your “goal” naturally. Granted all of that wouldn’t happen in a year, but you could do it.[/quote]
Next year as in by January of 2014

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]BRBJJMGMA wrote:
Hey what’s up guys. This forum has been great and I’ve spent tons of time on T-Nation and other sites researching everything I can so I can start my first cycle before I get ready to compete again next year. So here’s my cycle plan

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 250mg
PCT 3-4 weeks of Nolvadex

I know it’s simple but I’m only at 8-10% body fat I’m 5’4 155lbs soaking wet. My goal is to get stronger and put on approximately 8 lbs of solid muscle mass. I want to stay lean and not to far from my competing weight which is 150 lbs.

I also have a few basic questions
I started training mma in 06’ did a lot of circuit training and calisthenics. I stayed away from the weight room for a long time thinking it would hinders performance in the cage. I’ve only been lifting serious for about 2 months should I wait to add in gear?

How will the gear affect my flexibility?
What would be the pros/cons of getting on/off cycle for competition days? Should I run my cycle threw comps or wait at least a Or so when my t levels get back up? Does it matter at all??

Thank you this site has been of great help [/quote]

Oh man oh man. DEFINITELY WAIT to add AAS. You want an 8 lb gain and strength by next year? Man you don’t need AAS for that. You need to freaking eat!

If you wanted 8 lbs of muscle by next MONTH…maybe. You have a year man. Besides which, your goal of gaining 8 lbs of muscle will be easily accomplished with a heavy strength training program and sensible flexibility work.

I’ve trained a couple MMA fighters who fought in the pro ranks. The gains you’re talking about are easily and safely done without AAS. Please don’t use it. The much, much bigger part of the puzzle is how you are training and how you are eating.

You might get ripped a new one by other posters for saying “I’ve only been seriously lifting for 2 months” followed immediately by “I want to use steroids”.

If you really wanted to, you could gain 3x the amount of your “goal” naturally. Granted all of that wouldn’t happen in a year, but you could do it.[/quote]
And when I say I’ve only been lifting weights for two months that’s not accurate about what shape I’m in. I’ve been doing kettlebell a, battle ropes, box jumps, etc… For years and years. I’ve trained with some pretty big S&C guys in my area too I was just never a “weightlifter”
I’m at a diffrent phase now as far as mma and bjj goes I need to make some strength gains for the way I play the game

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250 is a trt dose, so its a waste.

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[quote]krazylarry wrote:
250 is a trt dose, so its a waste. [/quote]
What would suit the situation better
250 test/25mg a day dianabol or just 500mg/week of test?

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500mg per week for 12 weeks is a pretty standard cycle… Check the sticky for advice on on anastrozole/armidex & HCG … Since you are not on TRT you will want to look into PCT… 8Lbs aint much you could really do that without juice… I dont think you need it…Save the test for when you need to gain 20lbs … You could probably do well with a simple 5/3/1 program and increase cals by 20%… As far as flexibility keep stretching and doing BJJ

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
500mg per week for 12 weeks is a pretty standard cycle… Check the sticky for advice on on anastrozole/armidex & HCG … Since you are not on TRT you will want to look into PCT… 8Lbs aint much you could really do that without juice… I dont think you need it…Save the test for when you need to gain 20lbs … You could probably do well with a simple 5/3/1 program and increase cals by 20%… As far as flexibility keep stretching and doing BJJ [/quote]
So this brings me to another question!!

If I did put on 20 lbs on a cycle, as soon as I get off, won’t I lose about half that weight? I burn a lot of calories man throughout my day between keeping up on the jits, work, and S&C

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You have a strange goal if I may say so. Like others have pointed out, gaining 8 pounds ain’t much, but your real aim, I’m guessing, is to get 8 hard pounds, and just maybe, use AAS so you can train a lot more in MMA, or train the same volume of MMA while adding weight training that you can recuperate from and gain those 8 hard pounds right?

So for that aim, maybe 250mg a week is indeed enough, maybe it’s a tad low. A good thing about 250mg weekly is that it’s easy to get off if you are tested. You can also add an oral like Anavar as it quickly clears your system, and it adds way more strength than mass, which is what you want for your goals. It is pricey and often counterfeited, but why use dianabol that will add a lot of water weight?

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What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.

Unless you have a freaky anatomy you are going to be way to short to be competitive imo. I don’t know what weight class you would fight at or if that is even a goal of yours. I would bit the bullet and cut to 135. Look at people similar to your size. Uriah Faber is listed at 5’6 and has fought bantam weight 135 for a while. But I guess if you are just going to grapple as in bjj you could be a stocky fuck and it would not matter as much.

Aaragon:

Care to share who you have trained. High level pros or pros in the lesser known franchises?

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.[/quote]

sean sherk walks around at like 175 and cuts to 155. no 155er is 155 at 165 im guess his goal is to fight 145

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.

Unless you have a freaky anatomy you are going to be way to short to be competitive imo. I don’t know what weight class you would fight at or if that is even a goal of yours. I would bit the bullet and cut to 135. Look at people similar to your size. Uriah Faber is listed at 5’6 and has fought bantam weight 135 for a while. But I guess if you are just going to grapple as in bjj you could be a stocky fuck and it would not matter as much.

Aaragon:

Care to sh who you have trained. High level pros or pros in the lesser known franchises? [/quote]
I’ve stood next to Urijah. He’s nowhere near 5’6. I’m 5’4 he’s at least 2 inches shorter than me.
The thing about combat sports is that the training is fucking intense. Putting on any healthy weight is extremely hard when your training 7 days a week sometimes. It’ll def help. I’m looking for a solid weight gain. I wanna bump about 20 lbs while on and when I come off I’m gonna lose a lot of that. I also cut weight to compete so weight gains are nothing really and I also fight in 2 diffrent weight classes and have medaled in both putting on more than I expected isn’t a huge deal to me I just wanna stay between 6-8% body fat range while also keeping my resting heart rate under 50 BPM at the same time like it is now

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.

Unless you have a freaky anatomy you are going to be way to short to be competitive imo. I don’t know what weight class you would fight at or if that is even a goal of yours. I would bit the bullet and cut to 135. Look at people similar to your size. Uriah Faber is listed at 5’6 and has fought bantam weight 135 for a while. But I guess if you are just going to grapple as in bjj you could be a stocky fuck and it would not matter as much.

Aaragon:

Care to share who you have trained. High level pros or pros in the lesser known franchises? [/quote]
Urijah walks around at about 165 and he starts the weight cut sometime during his camps. Fighters all cut between 5-35lbs of weight before fights some cut 50lbs in a week!! I’ve seen it done many times. Me personally I got weight loss down to a science it’s easy for me

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Man there is no way Uriah is 5’2. But I have not stood next to him or ever met him so you have that experience. The reason I posted what I posted was it is hard for me to visualize someone your size cutting 30 lbs. Thats almost a fifth of your bodyweight. I could see welterweights doing that. And I don’t mean to turn your thread into a debate but no way in hell has a fighter ever cut 50 lbs in a week and lived to talk about it. Assuming that is even possible.

As a disclaimer: I am assuming your plan is to be a conditioned 165lbs. I have seen sloppy short guys in wrestling pre-season come in weighing at like 150-155 to eventually cut down to 125 or 133. But they do that over the course of several weeks/months.

Anyways good luck with your endeavor and keep us posted on your success or lack of if it goes that way. Like I said I was trying to do something very similar to you.

What part of the country do you train in?

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
Man there is no way Uriah is 5’2. But I have not stood next to him or ever met him so you have that experience. The reason I posted what I posted was it is hard for me to visualize someone your size cutting 30 lbs. Thats almost a fifth of your bodyweight. I could see welterweights doing that. And I don’t mean to turn your thread into a debate but no way in hell has a fighter ever cut 50 lbs in a week and lived to talk about it. Assuming that is even possible.

As a disclaimer: I am assuming your plan is to be a conditioned 165lbs. I have seen sloppy short guys in wrestling pre-season come in weighing at like 150-155 to eventually cut down to 125 or 133. But they do that over the course of several weeks/months.

Anyways good luck with your endeavor and keep us posted on your success or lack of if it goes that way. Like I said I was trying to do something very similar to you.

What part of the country do you train in?[/quote]
When i was pro I walked around @ 235-240 and cut to 205 for fights.

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That is a realistic cut. The bigger you are the bigger the weight cuts are going to be.

[quote]LittleMario wrote:

[quote]A-rod wrote:
Man there is no way Uriah is 5’2. But I have not stood next to him or ever met him so you have that experience. The reason I posted what I posted was it is hard for me to visualize someone your size cutting 30 lbs. Thats almost a fifth of your bodyweight. I could see welterweights doing that. And I don’t mean to turn your thread into a debate but no way in hell has a fighter ever cut 50 lbs in a week and lived to talk about it. Assuming that is even possible.

As a disclaimer: I am assuming your plan is to be a conditioned 165lbs. I have seen sloppy short guys in wrestling pre-season come in weighing at like 150-155 to eventually cut down to 125 or 133. But they do that over the course of several weeks/months.

Anyways good luck with your endeavor and keep us posted on your success or lack of if it goes that way. Like I said I was trying to do something very similar to you.

What part of the country do you train in?[/quote]
When i was pro I walked around @ 235-240 and cut to 205 for fights. [/quote]

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
Man there is no way Uriah is 5’2. But I have not stood next to him or ever met him so you have that experience. The reason I posted what I posted was it is hard for me to visualize someone your size cutting 30 lbs. Thats almost a fifth of your bodyweight. I could see welterweights doing that. And I don’t mean to turn your thread into a debate but no way in hell has a fighter ever cut 50 lbs in a week and lived to talk about it. Assuming that is even possible.

As a disclaimer: I am assuming your plan is to be a conditioned 165lbs. I have seen sloppy short guys in wrestling pre-season come in weighing at like 150-155 to eventually cut down to 125 or 133. But they do that over the course of several weeks/months.

Anyways good luck with your endeavor and keep us posted on your success or lack of if it goes that way. Like I said I was trying to do something very similar to you.

What part of the country do you train in?[/quote]
East Coast. I try to show up around 152 8 weeks out of a fight or bjj tournament I try to be 158 4 weeks out and diet down to 150 lbs for my weight class in IBJJF rules it’s pretty simple and easy. There’s a lot if fighters that cut way more than I would dream of being able to cut

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.

Unless you have a freaky anatomy you are going to be way to short to be competitive imo. I don’t know what weight class you would fight at or if that is even a goal of yours. I would bit the bullet and cut to 135. Look at people similar to your size. Uriah Faber is listed at 5’6 and has fought bantam weight 135 for a while. But I guess if you are just going to grapple as in bjj you could be a stocky fuck and it would not matter as much.

Aaragon:

Care to share who you have trained. High level pros or pros in the lesser known franchises? [/quote]

I’ve trained pros in the lesser known franchises/regional franchises, and a couple who are high level (or one who is and the other who you should be seeing very soon in the big show if the conversations I’ve heard regarding signing are any indication)

I’d rather not share, as I’m not necessarily looking to make money off his name/them and I consider them both friends (also I do the training as a paid hobby now since I run a pharmacology research lab.

I’d especially rather not have his name pop up on a steroids forum–most especially because I did not and do not advocate use and cheating and as far as I know nobody I coached used anything: I don’t want to enable any bad rumors from some fucktard’s google fu no matter how far fetched that scenario is from happening in reality. (I do however give advice here on the forums on occasion because I’d much rather somebody who is bound and determined to use not fuck themselves up seriously or do something dumb :slight_smile: )

But he recently won a pretty competitive tournament on tv this past season with an epic beard, and it happens to have a circular cage instead of an edged polygon.

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Damn I didn’t mean to straight up ask for names. I am not that dumb but I guess thats how it came out. I am sure if I ever watched Bellator I might be able to figure out who this guy was. I feel like that franchise is fucked after they put all that effort in that Jackson Ortiz fight and Ortiz is out now. I don’t know what Ortiz was even thinking trying to come back. Anyways sorry to hijack your thread BRBJJ

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]A-rod wrote:
What a surprise! This thread is very similar to the one I just started. If you are doing mma and are only 5’4, why the fuck would you want to get to around 165.

Unless you have a freaky anatomy you are going to be way to short to be competitive imo. I don’t know what weight class you would fight at or if that is even a goal of yours. I would bit the bullet and cut to 135. Look at people similar to your size. Uriah Faber is listed at 5’6 and has fought bantam weight 135 for a while. But I guess if you are just going to grapple as in bjj you could be a stocky fuck and it would not matter as much.

Aaragon:

Care to share who you have trained. High level pros or pros in the lesser known franchises? [/quote]

I’ve trained pros in the lesser known franchises/regional franchises, and a couple who are high level (or one who is and the other who you should be seeing very soon in the big show if the conversations I’ve heard regarding signing are any indication)

I’d rather not share, as I’m not necessarily looking to make money off his name/them and I consider them both friends (also I do the training as a paid hobby now since I run a pharmacology research lab.

I’d especially rather not have his name pop up on a steroids forum–most especially because I did not and do not advocate use and cheating and as far as I know nobody I coached used anything: I don’t want to enable any bad rumors from some fucktard’s google fu no matter how far fetched that scenario is from happening in reality. (I do however give advice here on the forums on occasion because I’d much rather somebody who is bound and determined to use not fuck themselves up seriously or do something dumb :slight_smile: )

But he recently won a pretty competitive tournament on tv this past season with an epic beard, and it happens to have a circular cage instead of an edged polygon.[/quote]

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[quote]A-rod wrote:
Damn I didn’t mean to straight up ask for names. I am not that dumb but I guess thats how it came out. I am sure if I ever watched Bellator I might be able to figure out who this guy was. I feel like that franchise is fucked after they put all that effort in that Jackson Ortiz fight and Ortiz is out now. I don’t know what Ortiz was even thinking trying to come back. Anyways sorry to hijack your thread BRBJJ

[/quote]

Don’t sweat it brother I know you weren’t thinking like that…I just didn’t know what else to say lol. I don’t really have a reason to believe that would happen, but I do take my friends seriously and I’d hate to open even a tiny door to shitty rumors :P.

I don’t think that franchise is fucked per se, even though that was a bad deal to happen with Ortiz. They have good fighters, good announcers, and a great layout–I really like the “season” instead of standalone fights. You get time to get to know a fighter, like them, and the bouts start close enough together that the fighters have to stay near their fighting weight instead of ballooning up and down. I feel that makes a better and more consistent class if all the competitors have to stay a bit nearer the weigh-in limit because they have to do a fight every 4-5 weeks.

They’ve got a ways to go to get where they need to be but they have some really good talent and they are growing…which is all I ask so we don’t have 1 single monopoly on big league MMA in the states. I really dislike Dana White even though I love the sport.