BJ Penn Training

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[quote]drewh wrote:
But me must all remember that BJ kept up with Sean Sherk who is one of the best conditioned fighters in the UFC[/quote]

True, but that was at 155, and against a sean sherk that only tried to take him down after getting pounded on for a few rounds and fatiguing himself…

170 and against someone whose conditioning THRASHED sean sherk’s is a different ball game. Sean Sherk might be one of the best conditioned athletes in the UFC but GSP is arguably THE BEST conditioned (I think A.Silva is better but hell whose even tested it).

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Chin - BJ

Not giving a fuck about getting hit - BJ

I still think GSP will win.

BJ Penn doesn’t have enough enough knockout power to KO GSP. So how will he win?

He won’t be able to jab his way to a win, ala Sherk. He won’t be able to stop GSP’s takedowns. And he won’t be able to sub GSP.

So… How does BJ win?

The guy to be GSP is Anthony Johnson or Thiago Alves. Because unless you knock GSP the fuck out, you’re going to lose. No one else at 170 has power to KO him.

But will Johnson and GSP ever fight? Someone like Fitch could grind Johnson out to a decision, thus preventing the title fight. GSP wouldn’t have the chin to last 5 rounds with Johnson. GSP would get a lot of takedowns, for sure, but if Johnson survived 3 rounds, GSP would get knocked out.

I think the fight is unlikely, though, since Johnson’s tactical game is still really weak. Lots of talent and skill, but mental game needs a lot of work.

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Depends what you mean by this. Does GSP have more training intensity? Yeah, no doubt.

But in the octagon, who doesn’t give a fuck about getting hit? BJ Penn. He just doesn’t care. Guys like that are really hard to fight.

He let Hughes beat on his head when he had a broken rib until the ref stopped it. GSP tapped from strikes with Serra.

In watching the GSP-Fitch fight, I noticed how mentally weak GSP is. He looked really demoralized that Fitch kept coming at him. You could see it in his eyes. In a post-fight interview, he even admitted this.

BJ might be lazy, but he’s not mentally weak. Again, he just doesn’t give a fuck about getting beat on. GSP clearly does. His entire game is built around avoiding getting hit.

Penn will keep coming at him. Unlike Fitch, Penn actually has the skills to take GSP out.

Again, I don’t think BJ will win. But he can. If GSP slips up just once, GSP will have his back and start wearing on GSP’s mental game. One slip up, and GSP is done.

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I can agree with your argument and even if I retracted that point GSP still has a decided advantage. But it is exactly like you said, one slip up and he’s done. I just don’t see BJ being able to take the fight to GSP without facing a superior onslaught.

Of course you’re right about BJ… He’s Hawaiian he doesn’t give a flying fuck they’re born fighting. But there is a difference between not caring if you get hit and not caring enough to try and grind out a victory through just pure GRIT.

And I haven’t seen that in BJ , of course I"m willing to bet he can do it now and like i said… It’s a fool’s decision to bet against BJ.

Imo, BJ can do it, but on paper it takes someone with slightly different physical skills to take out GSP. The threat of knocking him out seems to be the major factor (as you pointed out).

I really thought Fitch would do it (not knock him out but just outmatch im in every other arena), and in a rematch I’d say he has much better chance now than he did before. I think he knows exactly what it takes now.

AJ, his wrestling is really underrated, and with the right gameplan and training camp he could do it. Not on a consistent basis but maybe 30-40% chance. Which is pretty fucking high imo. Especially in MMA.

Alves is the best guy in position to take out GSP. Koscheck is like GSP lite, but with a better chin, and a slower “riddum”. I think Alves has a great chance at knocking out GSP and like you said, just going straight at him and demoralizing him. Alves isn’t afraid to bang with anyone.

AJ and Alves would probably get taken down (eventually) by GSP but Im not sure if he could KEEP them down. And alves, fuck… he really impressed me… I’d love to see that fight. I’m REALLY curious about it.

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it’ll start as a stand up battle

gsp goin in with low leg kicks, while bj stabs gsp with some jabs.

gsp will get frustrated sooner or later and take some shots on bj…

bj has a good sprawl but gsp is a freak with takedowns, so it goes to the mat. gsp tries to gain half gaurd but bj has none of it. remaining in full gaurd theres not much action besides gsp getting in some shots in.

bj looks bored

round ends.
2 for gsp 1 for bj

2nd round. bj looks lazy. gsp goes in for a quick shot and gets it. we’re back to where we started. bj isnt giving much of a fight.
gsp catches bj with some elbows. bj is cut.
they continue to duke it out. gsp puts his head down to catch a breath, bj secures an arm, swings his leg over and locks in an arm bar… will gsp tap, or escape. mwahaha

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I think the round ends, BJ couldn’t finish GSP

GSP goes to the corner and asks greg jackson for advice… he looks at him dead in the eye and says

“Riddum. to. 11.”

Steve Mazzagatti looks at both fighters asks if they’re ready… GSP gives a nod, BJ gives a nod… Dana says “fuck lets fucking get to fuckin fightin the fuck all fuckin ready!”

before they walk to touch gloves time slows as gsp reaches the finger and thumb tips of both hands to his mouth, he exposes his tongue and wets them.

he reaches slowly to his nipples…

      RIDDUM

        TO

      ELEVEN

!!!

Time catches up with his nearly invisible motion and it is on like motherfuckin donkey kong in a sarong smokin with cheech & chong.

BJ lazily moves forward, and throws a jab, GSP pats the jab down and superman punches with amazing speed he follows with a left inside leg kick and flying right knee that connects to the jaw of BJ crumpling him

cut to split screen of alves and huges

Hughes- “Heh smirk”
Alves- “aw shit…”

GSP takes advantage of the staggering BJ and goes for the suplex, he slips but is able to secure a takedown anyway. And goes for BJ’s back…securing not one, but both hooks… and my god he gets a body triangle.

announcers in background

Joe rogan: body triangle is the most secure way to lock an opponent down its like an anaconda and totally sucks the life right out of you

Goldie: Joe you say that everyfucking time

Joe: dude do u wanna hit this or not?

GSP is going for the REAR NAKED CHOKE!!!

Hughes: “I should show him how to defend that”

somewhere frank trigg’s ears are burning, and he raises a middle finger to the sky while mouthing the words “Fucking matt”

BJ no stranger to the RNC tucks his chin and pulls the infamous “home alone” strategy by putting both hands on his cheeks and preventing gsp from wrapping his arm around his throat.

BJ attempts to spin into GSP but ends up on his knees with GSP on his back still.

BJ tries to shake him off and oh my goodness

he’s successful

or is he

GSP transitions to the SWIM MOVE!

Joe rogan drops bong, it breaks and stands yelling “10th planet Motherfuckers!!” at the top of his lungs


GSP by Armbar, round 3, 1min 45sec.

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lol

this is one fight i just cant predict…

i cant see gsp losing… for awhile… if ever…

but bj… if theres one dude that can beat gsp…

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hahahahaha

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Good analysis, Xen.

Everyone I’ve heard from who’s seen GSP in person says he’s hyoooge.

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Looking forward to this ruckus.

Its easy to say BJ Penn will lose, but we all know he is capable of beating GSP :slight_smile:

Just because Penn hasn’t been in any huge fights of late doesn’t mean he can’t win.

But as Penn is the underdog on this thread i’m rooting for him!

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Good analysis, Xen.

Everyone I’ve heard from who’s seen GSP in person says he’s hyoooge. [/quote]

look at his legs
id say its a good 25-26 inches

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Good analysis, Xen.

Everyone I’ve heard from who’s seen GSP in person says he’s hyoooge. [/quote]

He used to train at Renzo Gracie’s and I have seen him in person here in NYC he is fucking hyuge.

I Love me some Baby Jesus Penn But GSP has just looked incredible
hoping that the fight lives up to the hype.

kmc

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Wtf, all i saw was basically isolation work… Where is the O-L etc… What combat athlete does flyes??

He’s a great fighter, but imagine him with his true strength potential with a better coach and programme… He would be pretty sick

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we dont really know that thats the weird thing about performance training or training in general this is a great article that i feel most on here should read. www.jasonferruggia.com/?p=61

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Today’s BJ Penn vid:

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www.jasonferruggia.com/?p=61

great article. important questions raised there.

BJ’s 135lb squat is pathetic it really makes me think he can’t visciously armbar me with his MIND lol

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LOL. Yeah, it is a trip, man, really, seeing how weak the guy is.

How much could Rickson squat? I’m betting not much. But everyone who rolls with him talks about his crazy control and tightness. He sure doesn’t feel weak.

There is clearly something beyond “strength” as we gym rates define it, going on here.

In fact, one reason I get so pissy about S&C articles is that I can tell they haven’t fucking trained seriously. Because when you get in and grapple with guys like BJ Penn, he feels heavy, and explosive, and strong as fuck.

But, well, he’s obviously not “gym strong.”

Yet guys are writing articles saying you need to lift weights 3 times a week, and do 4 sessions of conditioning OUTSIDE OF TRAINING. That’s retarded.

I think, at a minimum, no one who is not a BJJ blue belt should be allowed to write any strength and conditioning articles. Because until you’ve trained for a couple of years, you just don’t have a fucking clue.

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Xen, I fucking cracked up with your fight description. I dunno, I don’t think BJ can andle his riddum. I don’t have anything original to add, just my 2 cents.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
LOL. Yeah, it is a trip, man, really, seeing how weak the guy is.

How much could Rickson squat? I’m betting not much. But everyone who rolls with him talks about his crazy control and tightness. He sure doesn’t feel weak.

There is clearly something beyond “strength” as we gym rates define it, going on here.

In fact, one reason I get so pissy about S&C articles is that I can tell they haven’t fucking trained seriously. Because when you get in and grapple with guys like BJ Penn, he feels heavy, and explosive, and strong as fuck.

But, well, he’s obviously not “gym strong.”

Yet guys are writing articles saying you need to lift weights 3 times a week, and do 4 sessions of conditioning OUTSIDE OF TRAINING. That’s retarded.

I think, at a minimum, no one who is not a BJJ blue belt should be allowed to write any strength and conditioning articles. Because until you’ve trained for a couple of years, you just don’t have a fucking clue.[/quote]

i wouldnt care if rickson knew what a squat was, i still wouldnt fuck with him. with that said, gym strength doesnt carry over to fighting strength.

obvious right?
ask any wrestler who does strenuous weight training in the off season. ask him how his body feels after the very first day of practice.

and yet, i think bj can still improve his training.
GSP’s weight training is much more efficient… the carry over effect from the weight room to the cage. explosiveness, plyos, circuit.

but still, it truly only matters who wants it more. they are both so elite that i really dont think it matters who is stronger.

this fight is gonna be all heart. gsp has never really been in a close fight, besides his fight with bj…

we all know bj. he used to not care… but now he does? we will see.

so excited like a lil girl :slight_smile:

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I think training with weights can improve all sorts of athletic attributes and make you a better athlete.

At the very least you should do it to train imbalances, for prehab and to just health (bone density, testosterone, mental edge, etc).

I just think people really over do it sometimes though. Like I’ve said before, on the totem pole of shit to do as a fighter, its actually pretty damn low. Often times you’d just be better off with mobility work.

The reason why GSP’s training seems to “carry over” better is because it’s based on actual athletic attributes. Strength, speed, etc. Not just building muscle or attempts at replicating movements.

TRAIN ATTRIBUTES. Develop efficiency of technique by training technique efficiently… not doing lunges to improve your double leg technique. Break down the technique by what ATTRIBUTES you need…

  • Mobility (99% of techniques especially in grappling demand this)
  • Good technique (posture, drill more, etc)
  • Strength: speed strength? absolute strength? etc… then train that

And being “heavy” on an opponent in grappling is technique and proper body mechanics not “being strong”. curling a shitload won’t stop my armbar ESPECIALLY in weight classes.