Thanks!
I’d tried some random Google searching to see if I could find his name linked with lifting in any way but never turned up anything.
Yeah, lifting really hadn’t caught on in those days. Shatner doing so made him one of rather few actors then who did. He did a good job improving his physique.
Which provides answer #2767 as to why Kirk would kick Picard’s ass: Because Shatner lifted weights, while who-was-he-again didn’t.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Thanks!
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No problem at all!
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I’d tried some random Google searching to see if I could find his name linked with lifting in any way but never turned up anything.
Yeah, lifting really hadn’t caught on in those days. Shatner doing so made him one of rather few actors then who did. He did a good job improving his physique.
Which provides answer #2767 as to why Kirk would kick Picard’s ass: Because Shatner lifted weights, while who-was-he-again didn’t.[/quote]
I wish you hadn’t said that 
- Patrick Stewart was my second example of celebrities over 50 that haven’t gained muscle mass through aging alone. This is Pat Stewart aged 37 (I’ve seen photos of him at 20, and he hasn’t put on any weight at all right up to the present day - although he’s in pretty good shape considering he’s now nearly 70).
Never mind, there’s always Harrison Ford, Kevin Bacon and Willem Dafoe 
This must be the pic on IMDB that you’d found: it’s entitled William Shatner At Home Circa 1963
So he still had about three years to go before playing Kirk.
Yes, that’s the one.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
And yes, young people with beautiful lean physiques have been yelled at and told to shove crap down their throat on this forum. Many times. Thibaudeau even wrote a now-infamous article to express his disapproval of it.[/quote]
Link to said article?
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
And yes, young people with beautiful lean physiques have been yelled at and told to shove crap down their throat on this forum. Many times. Thibaudeau even wrote a now-infamous article to express his disapproval of it.[/quote]
Link to said article?[/quote]
With your join date I’m surprised you haven’t seen it.
[quote]CT wrote:
Somebody had to say it and it was me. I’m tired of seeing young kids with good potential, who are lean and have nice shapes to start with, ruin their bodies by following the bulking advice from self-proclaimed Internet “gurus” who advise them to eat as much food as they can, even junk food if it can help them jack up their calories.[/quote]
[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
the guy looks like he swalloed a cannonball LOL.
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Ha ha that 78 year old man sure is funny looking huh?
What do you do for fun? Go to nursing homes and loosen the bolts in the wheel chairs?
Stupid kid.
I thought it was pretty funny. I guess people see Nominal Prospect’s name and immediately set phasers to FLAME, but being an 09’er I guess have a while to go before I’m an empty, jaded husk.
Actually, this training advice – just wait till you’re 78, and you’ll naturally add muscle mass just as William Shatner did – is about as good as NP’s advice ever gets. So the thread really shouldn’t be knocked.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
I thought it was pretty funny. I guess people see Nominal Prospect’s name and immediately set phasers to FLAME, but being an 09’er I guess have a while to go before I’m an empty, jaded husk.
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No, you’re just a newb. It has nothing to do with being jaded. If this jackass wasn’t known for going out of his way to give bad advice to beginning trainers, I doubt anyone would care. Then again, you probably have friends who still laugh at someone breaking their leg while sliding down stair railings on a skateboard.
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
The old “pro strength crowd” that used to dominate these forums took heavy damage and I don’t even see them around on the boards anymore. They probably retreated to one of the private boards, cowards that they are.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. When I arrived on the board in 05 it was neocon central. Now it’s all paleocons and libertarians. There are but 1 or 2 neocons left and they don’t make any impact.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. [/quote]
You don’t look very triumphant from where I’m sitting. You issued the following challenge:
I smashed that claim with no less than five examples (I can provide more if you like). So if by “triumphant” you mean “sitting-with-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and- screaming-la-la-la-at-the-top-of-your-voice-until-the-person-that- legitimately-proved-you-wrong-goes-away-so-you-can-carry- on-as-if-nothing-ever-happened”, then yes, you are looking extremely fucking triumphant right now.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. [/quote]
You don’t look very triumphant from where I’m sitting. You issued the following challenge:
I smashed that claim with no less than five examples (I can provide more if you like). So if by “triumphant” you mean “sitting-with-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and- screaming-la-la-la-at-the-top-of-your-voice-until-the-person-that- legitimately-proved-you-wrong-goes-away-so-you-can-carry- on-as-if-nothing-ever-happened”, then yes, you are looking extremely fucking triumphant right now.
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While this is not addressed to me I feel compelled to respond because there is much truth to NM’s original statement relative to weight gain.
The reality is as you grow in age you do gain more mass. Certainly there are exceptions to this rule, just as there are exceptions to every rule. I can tell you from personal experience that it is much easier to gain weight now than it was for me 30 years ago. With that said, it’s not necessarily a good thing as I am capable of gaining more fat now as too.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. [/quote]
You don’t look very triumphant from where I’m sitting. You issued the following challenge:
I smashed that claim with no less than five examples (I can provide more if you like). So if by “triumphant” you mean “sitting-with-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and- screaming-la-la-la-at-the-top-of-your-voice-until-the-person-that- legitimately-proved-you-wrong-goes-away-so-you-can-carry- on-as-if-nothing-ever-happened”, then yes, you are looking extremely fucking triumphant right now.
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While this is not addressed to me I feel compelled to respond because there is much truth to NM’s original statement relative to weight gain.
The reality is as you grow in age you do gain more mass. Certainly there are exceptions to this rule, just as there are exceptions to every rule. I can tell you from personal experience that it is much easier to gain weight now than it was for me 30 years ago. With that said, it’s not necessarily a good thing as I am capable of gaining more fat now as too.
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Simply gaining body mass and fat because your metabolism is slower than when you were younger is not what any of us are after. It is also less likely for someone over the age of 50 to even gain 50lbs of lean body mass EVER so waiting until 50+ years old to finally gain some weight is the dumbest move anyone could make (not to mention the increased risk of potential health problems at that age from simply increasing body mass to an extreme degree)…and not pointing out that glaring difference is a huge mistake.
If someone under the age of 35 gained 100lbs of lean body mass in the past decade, could you show me the men over 50 doing the same by 60?
Hell, do ANY exist?
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
The old “pro strength crowd” that used to dominate these forums took heavy damage and I don’t even see them around on the boards anymore. They probably retreated to one of the private boards, cowards that they are.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. When I arrived on the board in 05 it was neocon central. Now it’s all paleocons and libertarians. There are but 1 or 2 neocons left and they don’t make any impact.[/quote]
Dude, you’re fucking hilarious.
The trolls around here lately have been a talentless bunch getting all caught up their multiple accounts and giving themselves away making amateur mistakes.
Don’t ever change.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
The old “pro strength crowd” that used to dominate these forums took heavy damage and I don’t even see them around on the boards anymore. They probably retreated to one of the private boards, cowards that they are.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. When I arrived on the board in 05 it was neocon central. Now it’s all paleocons and libertarians. There are but 1 or 2 neocons left and they don’t make any impact.[/quote]
Dude, you’re fucking hilarious.
The trolls around here lately have been a talentless bunch getting all caught up their multiple accounts and giving themselves away making amateur mistakes.
Don’t ever change.[/quote]
x2
[quote]ZEB wrote:
While this is not addressed to me I feel compelled to respond because there is much truth to NM’s original statement relative to weight gain. [/quote]
No, there isn’t much truth there at all. NP’s cabaret act revolves around twisting what little truth there is around on itself like a balloon animal and giggling to himself as people tie themselves in knots trying to disprove him. I answered his claim with direct proof, and he ignored me. He only respects himself and does not deserve to be taken seriously.
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The reality is as you grow in age you do gain more mass. Certainly there are exceptions to this rule, just as there are exceptions to every rule. I can tell you from personal experience that it is much easier to gain weight now than it was for me 30 years ago. With that said, it’s not necessarily a good thing as I am capable of gaining more fat now as too.
[/quote] Yes, but NP’s claim is just a horrible distortion of what shouldn’t be taken as a general guide, anyway. Of course certain people can gain some mass as they age, but it’s not the aging that does it - it’s their metabolism. A slower metabolism brings with it more fat, which is where the extra mass comes from (look at the high fat-to-muscle ratio of sumo wrestlers : they don’t weight train at all).
The five examples I gave earlier are important because they show that some metabolisms do not slow enough over time to allow for natural mass gain. The message here is that nobody should be naive enough to think that they will be one of the “lucky” few to gain mass simply by growing old. What happens if you’re not one of them? You can’t go back…
Then again, anybody that’s fool enough to think they can use the aging process to be a bodybuilder and dodge eating like one deserves everything they get.
Gaining muscle is an adaptive response to the stimulus provided by progressive training. How the hell do you progress once you stall out by not eating more? “Aging” doesn’t explain it, because then progression would be dictated by aging, not by training and diet.
Never accept what Abominable Prospect says at face value. He gets a kick out of making ridiculous claims and watching people struggle to refute them. What he infers is more significant than what he says. Use your own judgement and common sense. You’ll realize he is trying to play you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Also, let the record reflect that all of my alleged “bad advice” has been backed up repeatedly by T-Nation authors over the past year-and-a-half.
Basically, everything I’ve posted here has been validated, and I have been vindicated as a result.
Even in the politics section, my position has triumphed. [/quote]
You don’t look very triumphant from where I’m sitting. You issued the following challenge:
I smashed that claim with no less than five examples (I can provide more if you like). So if by “triumphant” you mean “sitting-with-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and- screaming-la-la-la-at-the-top-of-your-voice-until-the-person-that- legitimately-proved-you-wrong-goes-away-so-you-can-carry- on-as-if-nothing-ever-happened”, then yes, you are looking extremely fucking triumphant right now.
[/quote]
While this is not addressed to me I feel compelled to respond because there is much truth to NM’s original statement relative to weight gain.
The reality is as you grow in age you do gain more mass. Certainly there are exceptions to this rule, just as there are exceptions to every rule. I can tell you from personal experience that it is much easier to gain weight now than it was for me 30 years ago. With that said, it’s not necessarily a good thing as I am capable of gaining more fat now as too.
[/quote]
Simply gaining body mass and fat because your metabolism is slower than when you were younger is not what any of us are after. It is also less likely for someone over the age of 50 to even gain 50lbs of lean body mass EVER so waiting until 50+ years old to finally gain some weight is the dumbest move anyone could make (not to mention the increased risk of potential health problems at that age from simply increasing body mass to an extreme degree)…and not pointing out that glaring difference is a huge mistake.
If someone under the age of 35 gained 100lbs of lean body mass in the past decade, could you show me the men over 50 doing the same by 60?
Hell, do ANY exist?[/quote]
I cannot completely disagree with your post. It has been my experience that it was easier to gain more fat than muscle. However there were periods, when I stayed injury free, that I could also gain muscle easily, muscle which was not as easy to gain when I was in my 20’s. Again, that is just my experience. With that said certainly no one who is of sound mind would wait until they are in the 50’s or even 40’s to try to gain muscle weight.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
While this is not addressed to me I feel compelled to respond because there is much truth to NM’s original statement relative to weight gain.
No, there isn’t much truth there at all. NP’s cabaret act revolves around twisting what little truth there is around on itself like a balloon animal and giggling to himself as people tie themselves in knots trying to disprove him. I answered his claim with direct proof, and he ignored me. He only respects himself and does not deserve to be taken seriously.[/quote]
I’ve been away from T Nation for a while and am not as familiar with NM’s posts as others might be. However, I do stand by the statement that it is easier to gain weight as you age, at least in my case and in my own observations. However, unless one works very diligently the gain is virtually all fat, not a good thing.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’ve been away from T Nation for a while and am not as familiar with NM’s posts as others might be. However, I do stand by the statement that it is easier to gain weight as you age, at least in my case and in my own observations. However, unless one works very diligently the gain is virtually all fat, not a good thing.
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I don’t disagree with you on that. I was giving you a heads-up on who you were agreeing with. You don’t seem to realize that NP is implying that you gain muscle naturally as you age, and therefore any sort of bulking and training is unnecessary. I refer you to his previous claim:
You can’t harness your metabolic processes and ride them to the perfect physique: this is isn’t horse riding…THIS. IS. BODYBUILDING!!!