I honestly have no idea what your position is. You read like you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. There probably are some bodybuilders who are unhappy but that has nothing to do with qua bodybuilding and everything to do with the entirety of their mentalities toward life in general. There are unhappy people in all walks of life. Most people live unfulfilling lives for that matter. Has nothing to do with bodybuilding.[/quote]
The topic of bigorexia relates completely to self image and happiness. The man in the video “struggled”, supposedly, with anxiety self hate and sadness every time he saw himself. Perhaps I should have related happiness more clearly to the topic, however the connection seems obvious to me. In terms of psychology, if you work incredibly hard and see no emotional payoff, you need help. You need to rearrange your priorities and redefine success for yourself.
Does this problem need a name like bigorexia? No, but that doesn’t mean you don’t need therapy.
I’m just kind of curious what your (anyone) thoughts are here… I see a connection between bigorexia and pro BBrs, and anorexia/bulimia in super models (female). Anything that was said about trying to gain mass or muscle (or the determiniation desire will it takes or its impact on health) could be said by a person suffering from either of the eating disorders, about people not caring enough or trying hard enough to not be a fatass. Both take extreme lengths to attain a certai ideal physical goal… we can easily see and diagnose the anorexia/bulimia that the models use to attain this goal and usually diagnose them with it. Would it not be a valid to say that pro bbrs or anyone who needs to be bigger is using “bigorexia” to attain their goal, much in the same way the super models do, as a means to an end to get paid?
[quote]pstruhar7786 wrote:
I’m just kind of curious what your (anyone) thoughts are here… I see a connection between bigorexia and pro BBrs, and anorexia/bulimia in super models (female). Anything that was said about trying to gain mass or muscle (or the determiniation desire will it takes or its impact on health) could be said by a person suffering from either of the eating disorders, about people not caring enough or trying hard enough to not be a fatass. Both take extreme lengths to attain a certai ideal physical goal… we can easily see and diagnose the anorexia/bulimia that the models use to attain this goal and usually diagnose them with it. Would it not be a valid to say that pro bbrs or anyone who needs to be bigger is using “bigorexia” to attain their goal, much in the same way the super models do, as a means to an end to get paid?[/quote]
People who think like you are the primary reason we get upset when this label is tossed around. Anorexia is a MENTAL DISORDER where the person truly believes they have fat hanging off of them no matter how thin they get.
Therefore, BIGOREXIA is a MENTAL DISORDER where someone truly thinks they have NO muscle mass so they try to get bigger at all costs. This usually involves a very negative body image so someone like this would be covered up much of the time, choosing to wear large sweaters or oversized shirts so as to cover their body as much as possible. (mind you, the guy in this video freely showed his shirtless body on NATIONAL FUCKING TELEVISION with no problems…which is one more reason to be more skeptical about crap like this)
Some guy with 21" arms who tries to get bigger while wearing a tank top that just covers his nipples in public does NOT qualify.
It makes no sense at all to act like someone has a MENTAL DISORDER because they try to look in a way that matches their “job title”.
You have trivialized this simply because you can not relate to wanting to have larger muscles than average.
X, it might be less of a semantic battle if we say that anorexics will never be satisfed with their current level of leanness, and ‘bigorexics’ will never be satisfied with their current level of muscularity.
you made an interesting point about people with these disorders as having a negative body image and would most likely be shy about showing it. however, i am curious how that relates to supermodels who have anorexia/bulimia and have no issue prominently displaying themselves, often scantily.
no it does not make sense to say someone has amental disorder because they are trying to look a certain way for a reason (money) but it’s not entirely out of the question to see how the disorders could develop, and also the behaviors of BBrs and bigorexics are often very similar, making the distinction hazy. perhaps there is a grey area of both disorders (gaining and losing) where the individuals suffer from the mental disorder ( to a degree), but are still functional, enough so to as try and use the obsession to make money.
I didn’t trivialize anything, i just wanted to continue the conversation, which i find interesting, from a different perspective. i do want to have larger than average muscle mass, perhaps not as much as possible though. im not accusing anyone of any disorder, simply wishing to discuss it abstractly. theres no malice or agenda on this side, because although i strive to have an above average physique (though not as large as possible, which many here strive for), i can see some of the points made about “bigorexia”.
arguing on the internet must CERTAINLY qualify as some kind of mental disorder , i like to be big , one might say i have been obsessed with it for 30 years…who cares… i like it
Body dysmorphic disorder - Wikipedia a link to the actual name of the disorder discussed here, “bigorexia” is not a recognized by American Psychiatric Association’s or the DSM-IV Axis II list, Axis II list being all personality disorders. only a small percentage of people are actually afflicted with this disorder where they are strictly preoccupied with their muscle mass. most people are more concerned with their hair, skin, and nose.
Personally I see a disorder as some thing that compels or controls you AND that is destructive or dangerous to you, others, or even relationships.
Anorexia and Bulimia are destructive in many ways, so are others like gambling and so on and so forth.
Does going to the gym and lifting, eating right, taking supplements, and even taking steroids intelligently do any damage to you? No. Does it hurt any one else? No. Does it hurt your relationships? If your friends cant accept you for you, why are they your friends?
Bottom line bigorexia is utter bull shit. Why are we persecuting people for wanting to better them selves?
i agree one hundred percent enigma that no one is going to yell a somene who goes to the gym to be healthy and stronger, but i would argue the pursuit of the biggest possible muscles is in fact something that is destructive, as im sure many of the top level guys would agree, at the upper echelon of bodybuilding there’s very little going on for “health” or “bettering yourself”.
morepain i can respect that as well. to each his own. i merely was curious what you guys had to say about the comparison of the muscle dysmophobia/anorexia. that is if you don’t compare bodybuilders to the introverted very scary looking women, but to supermodels who use a body “rexia” in their job (and who could see it in everyway as bettering themselves as bodybuilders do).
[quote]pstruhar7786 wrote:
i agree one hundred percent enigma that no one is going to yell a somene who goes to the gym to be healthy and stronger, but i would argue the pursuit of the biggest possible muscles is in fact something that is destructive, as im sure many of the top level guys would agree, at the upper echelon of bodybuilding there’s very little going on for “health” or “bettering yourself”.
morepain i can respect that as well. to each his own. i merely was curious what you guys had to say about the comparison of the muscle dysmophobia/anorexia. that is if you don’t compare bodybuilders to the introverted very scary looking women, but to supermodels who use a body “rexia” in their job (and who could see it in everyway as bettering themselves as bodybuilders do).[/quote]
oh, there are certain elements of fact to your statements, theres no doubt, i guess i am just amazed at how fervently people will argue on the internet on ANY TOPIC. Its really strange. Like i said if there were ever a disorder that needs to be examined that would be it.
[quote]morepain wrote:
pstruhar7786 wrote:
i agree one hundred percent enigma that no one is going to yell a somene who goes to the gym to be healthy and stronger, but i would argue the pursuit of the biggest possible muscles is in fact something that is destructive, as im sure many of the top level guys would agree, at the upper echelon of bodybuilding there’s very little going on for “health” or “bettering yourself”.
morepain i can respect that as well. to each his own. i merely was curious what you guys had to say about the comparison of the muscle dysmophobia/anorexia. that is if you don’t compare bodybuilders to the introverted very scary looking women, but to supermodels who use a body “rexia” in their job (and who could see it in everyway as bettering themselves as bodybuilders do).
oh, there are certain elements of fact to your statements, theres no doubt, i guess i am just amazed at how fervently people will argue on the internet on ANY TOPIC. Its really strange. Like i said if there were ever a disorder that needs to be examined that would be it.
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This is a discussion forum. I haven’t been to even one discussion forum ever where there was no debate going on. That would be one really fucking boring discussion forum.
What do you suggest people do on DISCUSSION FORUMS? Not discuss? These topics are going to bring out emotion because they involve issues that define people.
I mean, really, if some little guy came to you in the gym weighing all of 135lbs telling that you were training wrong and that his study he read says its impossible to gain size doing what you are…you are saying this would induce NO response from you? I mean, even if you rolled your eyes and walked away that is still a response.
No one can see your eyes rolling here…and if you truly feel no reason at all to support your own beliefs, why log into a discussion forum and POST?
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
If there’s anyone out there who believes in anorexia and don’t believe in bigorexia, then you are simply a hypocrite. The guy has 19 inch arms yet still he thinks he’s “skinny”, this is definitely psychological.
Thats like a girl with every single rib visible yet still she thinks she’s fat. This guy is easily over 200lbs and he’s definitely not tall from what i can see. I doubt anyone on here who is under 5 10" and over 200 lbs sees themselves as skinny.
You may not consider yourself big and you may still want to make gains and improvement, but i doubt you see yourself as “skinny”. If you do then you need help also.[/quote]
He never said once that he thinks he is “skinny” he just thinks he’s not big enough: “I just have this compulsion to be bigger” ZOMG WHAT!? “Food followed by excercise” Yeah i agree, he has a serious problem…? rofl… this chode is just looking for some more attention, he’s no different to 95% of the weight lifting population,
On another note, no wonder he doesn’t get bigger, he wakes up" wondering, if he’s gonna do chest, the same thing as last time, or maybe something new", he shouldn’t be complaining with that kind of organization…?
[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
angus_beef wrote:
If there’s anyone out there who believes in anorexia and don’t believe in bigorexia, then you are simply a hypocrite. The guy has 19 inch arms yet still he thinks he’s “skinny”, this is definitely psychological.
Thats like a girl with every single rib visible yet still she thinks she’s fat. This guy is easily over 200lbs and he’s definitely not tall from what i can see. I doubt anyone on here who is under 5 10" and over 200 lbs sees themselves as skinny.
You may not consider yourself big and you may still want to make gains and improvement, but i doubt you see yourself as “skinny”. If you do then you need help also.
He never said once that he thinks he is “skinny” he just thinks he’s not big enough: “I just have this compulsion to be bigger” ZOMG WHAT!? “Food followed by excercise” Yeah i agree, he has a serious problem…? rofl… this chode is just looking for some more attention, he’s no different to 95% of the weight lifting population,
On another note, no wonder he doesn’t get bigger, he wakes up" wondering, if he’s gonna do chest, the same thing as last time, or maybe something new", he shouldn’t be complaining with that kind of organization…?[/quote]
Agreed. He came across as someone who takes this seriously…just like anyone who truly looks impressive to that degree. The only difference is, he whines about it and calls it a problem to get on tv. That doesn’t mean he has “bigorexia” especially aince none of the other signs fit.
Other thing going through this thread that came to my mind was when he said that “when I wake up the first thing I think about is that I need a breakfast”. And one ass here said “what a sick mentality” or something. This shows the weak minds of some individuals; if mass media tells it, then it’s true and I don’t think for myself or judge it objectively. If someone is on bodybuilding, I don’t know why the fuck it would be wrong to think about breakfast. On the other side, the one who thinks the contrary suffers from a bad case of mediocrity and laziness, and will never get to the goals desired, if he has at all.
If its Bigorexia this video about, then shouldn’t someone like Gregg Valentino be included in it too? Although I’m not sure whether it was his small muscle size or just his small overall stature that made him go nuts with synthol.
