[quote]druryk wrote:
I guess I don’t…
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I do agree though, that what these people have is an addiction to eating, that forces them to become this way. What starts out at some point in their lives as slightly unhealthy (eating too much sweets, or just too large quantities of foods) begins to multiply many times over as they become larger and larger and they don’t recognize the quantity of food they are eating as superfluous.
Rainjack - GO SAMMIE BRADY!!! Does NBC and other networks keep these actors in a big pot pulling them out at different times for different shows?
The first thing that stuck out about the first season was the BIG host who needed the same advice.
Ed
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite.
I think underwater weighing at Sea World might be a bit out of budget.[/quote]
You sure that when lowered into the pool with a crane that there wouldn’t be a tidal wave.
[quote]oneforship wrote:
druryk wrote:
I guess I don’t…
I do agree though, that what these people have is an addiction to eating, that forces them to become this way. What starts out at some point in their lives as slightly unhealthy (eating too much sweets, or just too large quantities of foods) begins to multiply many times over as they become larger and larger and they don’t recognize the quantity of food they are eating as superfluous.[/quote]
Definitely, spiralling out of control.
One woman last night said she had been basically in denial of how bad it had actually gotten. I wonder what would have happened had she had a friend who sat down with her and was brutally honest.
If people have interventions for alcohol and drug abuse why not have them for extremely obese people? America’s attitude towards unhealthy foods needs to shift dramatically. In a nearby county they jsut banned trans fats from all restaurants, that’s certainly a start.
Used to watch that show till I realized I disagreed with most of what they’re doing. Should a 300-lb plus person who’s never exercised beyond walking from coach to car really be jogging/running? The number and severity of orthopedic injuries these people incur must be off the charts!!
And what’s with having them do plyometric drills, crappy “functional” bosu-ball-type training, and punching pads? When they are shown hitting the free weights, you see them doing stuff like dumbbell curls and front raises – there’s never a deadlift or squat in sight.
Here’s an idea for a show I would watch:
The Biggest Loser Special - When Scotsmen Attack! Picture this: Alwyn Cosgrove visits the ranch and rips Jillian and Bob for all the stupid stuff they’re doing in the gym. Meanwhile, chef Gordon Ramsey lets them know what he thinks of their Quaker Oat packet-eating/Brita water-drkinking meals!
I like the ad for the show where the person is doing leg extensions and the trainer helps them kick out that last rep…just like Rocky !!!
[quote]esk221 wrote:
Only in America could you have a competition where the object is to not be a lumbering pile of blubber. They get rewarded for something they should be doing anyways!
I have a couple concepts for new competitions, including raising your kids, working nine to five, and remembering to breathe.
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GOLD
I agree that some people who need to lose a lot of weight either are nieve and expect the same results from minimal work, or think it is imposible for them to loose weight without going on the show.
A lot of really big people are in denial about their weight, and because overweight is the norm, obese isn’t that shoking.
My gf’s friend is at the low wnd of obese by my guess, she told my gf “I know I dont have a problem with my weight”. This girl is young too like 20 so she is only going to get bigger, but I guess when her close friends are bigger then her she doesnt realise how big she is.
Does anyone know if they address the obvious and serious mental and emotional problems that cause the over eating on the biggest looser?
[quote]Doyle wrote:
Does anyone know if they address the obvious and serious mental and emotional problems that cause the over eating on the biggest looser?[/quote]
I’ve never seen this addressed on the show. Yes, they do make the point that proper food choices are vital. But poor food choices and lack of exercise don’t explain how someone gets to be 400 lbs. It seems to me one would have to be dedicated to self-destruction to get that big.
[quote]BobParr wrote:
… When they are shown hitting the free weights, you see them doing stuff like dumbbell curls and front raises – there’s never a deadlift or squat in sight. …[/quote]
Becuase that builds muscle, and muscle has weight which they dont WANT to gain to win the competition.
Also i doubt any of them can reach a barbell on the floor or even squat. Their bellies come in the way.
From what I have seen of the show, the huge numbers do continue week to week. They may not be 20+ every week, but many of them stay in the double digits.
Has it ever occured to some of you that the slow and steady 2 lbs/per week may not be the most efficient way for everyone to lose weight? These people have huge fat reserves and maintaining muscle mass for them is very low on the list of priorities. It is also much easier with the available fat stored. The human body has survived through periods of feast and famine for its entire existence, until now. These people have been feasting their whole lives. A few months of famine like conditions is not going to be detrimental to their health in the long run.
In other words, putting the body at a near-starvation state while being physically active can and will lead to huge losses of fat, which is exactly what they are doing. I would be surprised if they consume more than 1200 kcal/day.
There are no tricks going on. Dehydrating does not work when you weigh in every week. These people are legitimately losing mass amounts of fat every day by eating very few calories and doing massive amounts of cardio.
[quote]Doyle wrote:
Does anyone know if they address the obvious and serious mental and emotional problems that cause the over eating on the biggest looser?[/quote]
bob harper just yells at people and wants his team to win. he’s always tense at weigh-ins hoping his team numbers trump the others. jillian always has a heart to heart connection with one or two contestants on her team because she used to be big. she tries to get at the emotional root of the eating disorder.
i like the show but it is extreme. and the way they torture out of shape, sedentary people in the heat at the beginning and at “last chance workouts” later in the show is kind of sad. last season was really good. the scheming especially.
i find it inspirational but i also watch a show about obese people (500 lbs +) at a special hospital to lose weight or die. i think it’s just to scare myself as a kind of this-can-happen-if-you-don’t-watch-out motivation. the people this season of BL are that large; scary like someone may explode or something horrible like that.
[quote]sdjohn67 wrote:
i find it inspirational but i also watch a show about obese people (500 lbs +) at a special hospital to lose weight or die. i think it’s just to scare myself as a kind of this-can-happen-if-you-don’t-watch-out motivation. the people this season of BL are that large; scary like someone may explode or something horrible like that.
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Dude, if “this can happen to you”, you need to seriously take a closer look at how you eat. I don’t have any fear at all of somehow accidentally weighing 500+lbs.
Have you been heavier like that? If not, why the fear?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, if “this can happen to you”, you need to seriously take a closer look at how you eat. I don’t have any fear at all of somehow accidentally weighing 500+lbs.
Have you been heavier like that? If not, why the fear?[/quote]
Agreed. It is impossible for something like this to “happen to you.” Utterly impossible. This is something you do to yourself, either by some SERIOUS neglect and disregard for personal health, or through some psychological disorder related to food.
[quote]tedro wrote:
In other words, putting the body at a near-starvation state while being physically active can and will lead to huge losses of fat, which is exactly what they are doing. I would be surprised if they consume more than 1200 kcal/day.
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They are also experiencing huge losses in LBM, at the same time.
The idea of making it a race does not seem to be a very healthy way to go about permanently changing one’s lifestyle.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
tedro wrote:
In other words, putting the body at a near-starvation state while being physically active can and will lead to huge losses of fat, which is exactly what they are doing. I would be surprised if they consume more than 1200 kcal/day.
They are also experiencing huge losses in LBM, at the same time.
The idea of making it a race does not seem to be a very healthy way to go about permanently changing one’s lifestyle.
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I really would like to see how many of these contestants actually kept the lifestyle after the show. If you go most of your life obese and lose 150lbs in 3 months thats all good and fun but, once the real world hits them how do they handle it? When they have jobs, kids, kids in activities, wives, etc. do they keep this lifestyle? I find it hard to believe some of these people making the time to wake up at 4:00am and going to the gym. I also find it hard to believe that these people consciously cook, pack, and prepare there food for the week after the show, when their is no prize money, trainers or a group safety net. I bet they find it easier to revert back to the old ways and say ?fcuk it, I don?t have the time?.
Maybe I am wrong hopefully for their sake I am but, it makes me wonder out of all of the contestants how many are actually keeping up with this lifestyle.
Unfortunately, our society has become what these land whales can relate to. Even if they don’t top the scale at 400 lbs, they are very overweight, unhealthy, and sedentary. This is show is what they can relate to. They could care less about lean body mass or bodyfat percentage. All they want is to not have so much fat, regardless if they lose muscle as well.
This show does a good job of showing people that busting ass in the gym and in the kitchen can lead to incredible results. But it fails to show a REALISTIC approach to their goals, and what is maintainable. Who can tolerate 4-6 hrs of training in a gym for the rest of their lives? People work, have lives, and families, and not showing them how to maintain a doable exercise program just sets up for rebound fat gain.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
sdjohn67 wrote:
i find it inspirational but i also watch a show about obese people (500 lbs +) at a special hospital to lose weight or die. i think it’s just to scare myself as a kind of this-can-happen-if-you-don’t-watch-out motivation. the people this season of BL are that large; scary like someone may explode or something horrible like that.
Dude, if “this can happen to you”, you need to seriously take a closer look at how you eat. I don’t have any fear at all of somehow accidentally weighing 500+lbs.
Have you been heavier like that? If not, why the fear?[/quote]
So, X, it sounds like you’re saying “I lift weights and train, but I don’t want to get too big!”
Hahahaha
[quote]Old Dax wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sdjohn67 wrote:
i find it inspirational but i also watch a show about obese people (500 lbs +) at a special hospital to lose weight or die. i think it’s just to scare myself as a kind of this-can-happen-if-you-don’t-watch-out motivation. the people this season of BL are that large; scary like someone may explode or something horrible like that.
Dude, if “this can happen to you”, you need to seriously take a closer look at how you eat. I don’t have any fear at all of somehow accidentally weighing 500+lbs.
Have you been heavier like that? If not, why the fear?
So, X, it sounds like you’re saying “I lift weights and train, but I don’t want to get too big!”
Hahahaha
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Yeah, it’s those accidental pounds that will get 'ya.
I met a very tiny nice looking girl yesterday. She’s 496lbs now.
If you keep fat boy from eating 5 lbs of bacon for breakfast everyday imagine the number of calories it takes just to keep his system running. That stress alone would make most gym bunnies calorie burning numbers pale in comparison. That is simply breathing. Add exercise stress and you get a double whammy. I am about 200 punds so if I just walked around with an additional 2 bills all day I can imagine how much weight I would lose.
My take is this. I stopped trusting television long ago. Behind every shot you see there is a producer telling everyone what is going to ‘sell.’ From fabricated scenarios, fights, love, lust, winners and losers - most of what we see on the talk box has some level of studio intervention in the desgin and ultimate outcome.
Who says the scales are calibrated correctly? What other measures are taken that do not entail a Britta Pitcher, Purdue Chicken or 24 Hour Fitness? (Insert additional ‘sponsor’ plugs here.) It is not all eating right and exercising for these transformations.
The Body Bug placement was classic.
I think it is awesome that these people want to change. Be careful what you wish for. One of the extreme home makeover families in Georgia recently went into foreclosure on the ‘Charity House’ the network built for them. Turns out the furniture was free but the mortgage and taxes were not. They helped (I am not saying caused) a family to go bankrupt.
The 250K for the winner is for plastic surgery. I hope the 19 year old kid gets it. He is going to need lots.