I don’t know what all the bitching is about.
I have only seen the 1st season of the Australian version and it was good - people lost a lot of weight, hundreds of pounds, and had vast improvements in health, lifestyle, knowledge, discipline. They paid a lot of attention to weight training as well as cardio stuff. I have nothing against anything the show did.
Why are people bitching about it here?
Would you prefer a show The Biggest Gainer where people eat like pigs to get fat?
[quote]Rach2784 wrote:
It is getting to be a bit ridiculous that people have to lose 20+ lbs. a week to keep from getting sent home. Hell I’m happy if I lose 1 lb. a week when cutting.
Now watch next week, people won’t lost more than 2 lbs. It happens every season, the second week people just don’t understand how they can lose 20 lbs. in one week and then next to nothing the next. That leads me to believe the first week’s weight lose has to be primarily water weight.
On a side note, did anyone notice how all the contestants were sweating so profusely during the weigh in? Like their shirts were soaked. Even the host, you could tell her face was all sweaty and you could see like the top of her chest was almost dripping with sweat. They must have had the heat cranked in there to give that whole Sauna effect.[/quote]
Based off your Avatar your pretty lean to begin with so it would be a helluva lot harder for you to lose weight than them…I remember the second week always being like that I am torn between that (water weight) and theatrics (to induce some DRAMA it is TV after all and needs to attract viewers) as to why that always happens.
But, I dont know if I agree the heat was turned up b/c fat people sweat just sitting most of the time haha…
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Would you prefer a show The Biggest Gainer where people eat like pigs to get fat?
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Fuck yeah…
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
When you weigh 450 pounds, 30 lbs comes off real fast.
Agreed. These people fluctuate 15lbs in body weight DAILY. Large pro football players can lose 15lbs in ONE GAME. The bigger you are, the larger the weight fluctuations are and the easier you can drop a ton of weight and still be big.
If one of them took a good healthy shit right before they weighed, I am sure they could drop 8 pounds easy.
Add on top of that the fact that they could be dehydrated when they weigh, and like you say - just daily weight fluctuations - and I don’t see how some of those Biggest Losers don’t shed more than 20 pounds from one weigh-in to the next.
What bothers me most about that show is that they are slaves to the scale. The entire contest is about how much you can make the scale move.
The winner should be the person who loses the largest %BF. [/quote]
I don’t know that there is equipment that can accurately measure the body fat percentage of someone over 400 pounds.
[quote]dianab wrote:
I had a rather large woman tell me last week that she truly believes she needs to be on a show like this to lose weight. This was right after a post Christmas family dinner where she put away enough food to paralyze me. Since she is family I did not want to get into a big discussion about it and create hard feelings but what an winning attitude![/quote]
Of course losing weight on the show is easy. You have no choice. You are in a totally controlled environment. Once these people are back home, some of them slowly return to their comfortable old bad habits and begin to put the weight back on. Geez, look at Oprah, she’s been yo-yo-ing her weight for years despite all her trainers, special diets prepared by personal chefs and motivation by life coach gurus.
I don’t get it, either. Determination must come from within yourself. Other people can help you reach your goals, but the effort has to be all you.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
I don’t know what all the bitching is about.
I have only seen the 1st season of the Australian version and it was good - people lost a lot of weight, hundreds of pounds, and had vast improvements in health, lifestyle, knowledge, discipline. They paid a lot of attention to weight training as well as cardio stuff. I have nothing against anything the show did.
Why are people bitching about it here?
Would you prefer a show The Biggest Gainer where people eat like pigs to get fat?
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To the extent that anyone is “bitching,” the general concern seems to be that the average overweight person thinks that these results are attainable outside the strict confines of the show, and that failure to attain the same results discourages people from even attempting to become healthy. I don’t really think people are bitching. I think everyone wants people to get healthy, but when pop culture presents The Biggest Loser as a means of doing so, it skews the perception of what is actually involved.
[quote]whereami wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
When you weigh 450 pounds, 30 lbs comes off real fast.
Agreed. These people fluctuate 15lbs in body weight DAILY. Large pro football players can lose 15lbs in ONE GAME. The bigger you are, the larger the weight fluctuations are and the easier you can drop a ton of weight and still be big.
If one of them took a good healthy shit right before they weighed, I am sure they could drop 8 pounds easy.
Add on top of that the fact that they could be dehydrated when they weigh, and like you say - just daily weight fluctuations - and I don’t see how some of those Biggest Losers don’t shed more than 20 pounds from one weigh-in to the next.
What bothers me most about that show is that they are slaves to the scale. The entire contest is about how much you can make the scale move.
The winner should be the person who loses the largest %BF.
I don’t know that there is equipment that can accurately measure the body fat percentage of someone over 400 pounds.[/quote]
There isn’t. If you tried to do a skin fold on someone like that, your hand would get lost…along with the calipers. There is no way to judge what is fat and what is excess skin at those weights, even when they drop weight and get smaller.
As far as the guy above asking why we are bitching…who is bitching? The Op asked how they can lose 20lbs and people answered. Do people just not want discussions?
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
I don’t know what all the bitching is about.
I have only seen the 1st season of the Australian version and it was good - people lost a lot of weight, hundreds of pounds, and had vast improvements in health, lifestyle, knowledge, discipline. They paid a lot of attention to weight training as well as cardio stuff. I have nothing against anything the show did.
Why are people bitching about it here?
Would you prefer a show The Biggest Gainer where people eat like pigs to get fat?
[/quote]
I’m not sure how much bitching is going on here. Unless you count me wanting to smack one of the trainers.
But that is just my sweet disposition showing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
When you weigh 450 pounds, 30 lbs comes off real fast.
Agreed. These people fluctuate 15lbs in body weight DAILY. Large pro football players can lose 15lbs in ONE GAME. The bigger you are, the larger the weight fluctuations are and the easier you can drop a ton of weight and still be big.
If one of them took a good healthy shit right before they weighed, I am sure they could drop 8 pounds easy.
Add on top of that the fact that they could be dehydrated when they weigh, and like you say - just daily weight fluctuations - and I don’t see how some of those Biggest Losers don’t shed more than 20 pounds from one weigh-in to the next.
What bothers me most about that show is that they are slaves to the scale. The entire contest is about how much you can make the scale move.
The winner should be the person who loses the largest %BF.
I don’t know that there is equipment that can accurately measure the body fat percentage of someone over 400 pounds.
There isn’t. If you tried to do a skin fold on someone like that, your hand would get lost…along with the calipers. There is no way to judge what is fat and what is excess skin at those weights, even when they drop weight and get smaller.
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I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite.
[quote]ready wrote:
The same way someone gains 100+ pounds of muscle. It was an accident.
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Females are excpetionally prone to accidentally gaining loads of mucle mass. At least according to their own beliefs.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite. [/quote]
I think underwater weighing at Sea World might be a bit out of budget.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite.
I think underwater weighing at Sea World might be a bit out of budget.[/quote]
It would be great for marketing…
“Next season, on the biggest loser - who is fatter, Shamu, or Todd?”
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
When you weigh 450 pounds, 30 lbs comes off real fast.
Agreed. These people fluctuate 15lbs in body weight DAILY. Large pro football players can lose 15lbs in ONE GAME. The bigger you are, the larger the weight fluctuations are and the easier you can drop a ton of weight and still be big.
If one of them took a good healthy shit right before they weighed, I am sure they could drop 8 pounds easy.
Add on top of that the fact that they could be dehydrated when they weigh, and like you say - just daily weight fluctuations - and I don’t see how some of those Biggest Losers don’t shed more than 20 pounds from one weigh-in to the next.
What bothers me most about that show is that they are slaves to the scale. The entire contest is about how much you can make the scale move.
The winner should be the person who loses the largest %BF.
I don’t know that there is equipment that can accurately measure the body fat percentage of someone over 400 pounds.
There isn’t. If you tried to do a skin fold on someone like that, your hand would get lost…along with the calipers. There is no way to judge what is fat and what is excess skin at those weights, even when they drop weight and get smaller.
I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite. [/quote]
Rainjack, you are right, they do it with Hydro Immersion.
By obtaining your land weight and water weight (based on buoyancy), specialized computer programs can scientifically calculate your body fat%…
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I disagree. You can get some sort of BF measurement for these guys/gals. I doubt it would be a skinfold, but there are other methods by which you can determine just how much lard they are packing.
If you can accurately measure the BF% of a 1500 pound bull - you can do the same for a 400 pound lady.
It probably won’t be cheap either, but I seriously doubt it would be prhibitive for the show to underwrite.
I think underwater weighing at Sea World might be a bit out of budget.
It would be great for marketing…
“Next season, on the biggest loser - who is fatter, Shamu, or Todd?”[/quote]
Judging from some of these posts, it looks like Todd wins again.
Biggest loser my ass.
Actually, I saw one of them squashing into a Bod Pod in one clip, so I’d bet they took the BF percentage of everyone.
At those weights (and we’re not even talking fat powerlifters here. These are pure couch-potato fatties, so a sizeable amount of muscle mass is not making up a good portion of their weight) I wonder what the outer limit on Bodyfat is? Could it possibly be as high as 70 or 80 %?
That’s fuckin’ insane!
[quote]esk221 wrote:
Only in America could you have a competition where the object is to not be a lumbering pile of blubber.
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Why?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Actually, I saw one of them squashing into a Bod Pod in one clip, so I’d bet they took the BF percentage of everyone.
At those weights (and we’re not even talking fat powerlifters here. These are pure couch-potato fatties, so a sizeable amount of muscle mass is not making up a good portion of their weight) I wonder what the outer limit on Bodyfat is? Could it possibly be as high as 70 or 80 %?
That’s fuckin’ insane! [/quote]
Surprisingly, some really obese people are actually carrying a good deal of lbm. I guess it takes that much to carry around 400+lbs all day long.
Sumo wrestlers carry a lot of lbm also.
I would expect “80%” on someone who was bed ridden.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would expect “80%” on someone who was bed ridden.[/quote]
And that’s the really crazy thing - as fat as the contestants are on that show, it can get worse.
At least they’re still mobile - though some of them can barely move without wheezing. The next level is 500 lbs +. Some of these cats top out at 1000, 1200 fucking pounds - basically just a sea of flesh confined to their bed. The incredible edema in the legs, the inability to even wipe your own ass - wow, you’d think that the human body wouldn’t be able to take that for any long-term timeframe, but somehow these guys don’t have their hearts explode - at least not right away.
When they have to knock a wall down to get you out, you’ve reached uncharted territory. I remember a guy who was some 1200 lbs on an old Richard Simmons infomercial - the guy described a typical lunch as - 22 bologna sandwiches - that’s not a typo - 22. Breakfast was 2 dozen eggs, 2 lbs bacon, 4 bagels with butter and multiple stacks of butter and syrup laden pancakes - plus enough juice and coffee to float a fucking battleship. I’ll never forget that, because it was just mind-boggling…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I would expect “80%” on someone who was bed ridden.
And that’s the really crazy thing - as fat as the contestants are on that show, it can get worse.
At least they’re still mobile - though some of them can barely move without wheezing. The next level is 500 lbs +. Some of these cats top out at 1000, 1200 fucking pounds - basically just a sea of flesh confined to their bed. The incredible edema in the legs, the inability to even wipe your own ass - wow, you’d think that the human body wouldn’t be able to take that for any long-term timeframe, but somehow these guys don’t have their hearts explode - at least not right away.
When they have to knock a wall down to get you out, you’ve reached uncharted territory. I remember a guy who was some 1200 lbs on an old Richard Simmons infomercial - the guy described a typical lunch as - 22 bologna sandwiches - that’s not a typo - 22. Breakfast was 2 dozen eggs, 2 lbs bacon, 4 bagels with butter and multiple stacks of butter and syrup laden pancakes - plus enough juice and coffee to float a fucking battleship. I’ll never forget that, because it was just mind-boggling… [/quote]
Most of those people don’t even have jobs either so someone is helping them maintain that level of insanity. I know how much it costs me to go shopping for a week. I can’t even imagine the grocery bill for someone like that.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Actually, I saw one of them squashing into a Bod Pod in one clip, so I’d bet they took the BF percentage of everyone.
At those weights (and we’re not even talking fat powerlifters here. These are pure couch-potato fatties, so a sizeable amount of muscle mass is not making up a good portion of their weight) I wonder what the outer limit on Bodyfat is? Could it possibly be as high as 70 or 80 %?
That’s fuckin’ insane! [/quote]
I’m pretty sure they take their BF% when they did all the tests with the doctors. When the doc was reviewing the results with the pink team, he told them mom her BF was like 50%. And she was smaller in comparison to some of those women this season. They’ve never been this big before, so it will be interesting to see what they can get down to.