there are a lot of active competitors posting logs/threads in the bb section now as well as just people posting stuff about the actual sport, so I think it won’t be diluted and will become pretty useful.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]
I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
[/quote]
That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.
It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.
Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.
thank you.[/quote]
I’m assuming good shape in this forum is being right at or under a 40 inch waist.
[quote]zraw wrote:
Cant wait for the bbing forum
Will be a quality forum if ppl that keep saying they have no planof competing do not post there
A forum exempt of shitstorms yay[/quote]
Holy shit, your avi!
Looking better every time I see a new pic.
[quote]zraw wrote:
Cant wait for the bbing forum
Will be a quality forum if ppl that keep saying they have no planof competing do not post there
A forum exempt of shitstorms yay[/quote]
To be fair… CT did say ‘bodybuilding lifestyle’ in his post 
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]
I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
[/quote]
That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.
It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.
Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.
thank you.[/quote]
I’m assuming good shape in this forum is being right at or under a 40 inch waist.
[/quote]
That was original.
uh, yeah…because CT has a 40" waist.
I don’t have one either and don’t want to get up there again any time soon.
Good shape means looking good FOR YOURSELF.
That basically means the kind of shape you alone are happy with…and not the shape that some other anonymous guy on the internet thinks you should have.
I doubt anyone here is trying to truly be “fat”. I have been heavier than this and am not trying to go there again.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]
I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
[/quote]
That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.
It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.
Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.
thank you.[/quote]
I’m assuming good shape in this forum is being right at or under a 40 inch waist.
[/quote]
I competed in bodybuilding, I competed in olympic lifting and trained for powerlifting. I trained with strongman competitors, have trained pro hockey players and pro football players (among other athletes). I also trained many high level bodybuilders, including a few pros, 3 of who made the Olympia at some point. I will tell you that except for a few exceptions, the bodybuilders I train didn’t train harder than the other guys. But they bragged about it more. I’ve never seen a strongman competitor (including Canada’s strongest man), powerlifter or pro athlete brag about how “hardcore” hey were and how the other guys sucked. When you are secure you do not need to do that. And in my mind, if you have to say that you are something… then you aren’t.
And while I love all strength sports and respect the achievement of everybody, I always hated the bodybuilding milieu because it is the most elitist of them all. Powerlifters or strongmen competitors do not make fun of people who do not plan on competing in their sport. And they know that someone can decide not to pursue an actual competitive “career” and train harder than many competitors.
Only in bodybuilding d we see that … maybe because bodybuilding attracts insecure people… maybe it’s because it attracts extreme personalities. Maybe it’s because they are in a bad mood when dieting and feel like making others feel like crap when they feel like crap themselves (I know that when I feel bad, I’m not super nice to others). I don’t know, but it always turned me off, even if I was involved in it and respect the achievement of the guys who compete.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]
I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
[/quote]
That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.
It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.
Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.
thank you.[/quote]
I’m assuming good shape in this forum is being right at or under a 40 inch waist.
[/quote]
I competed in bodybuilding, I competed in olympic lifting and trained for powerlifting. I trained with strongman competitors, have trained pro hockey players and pro football players (among other athletes). I also trained many high level bodybuilders, including a few pros, 3 of who made the Olympia at some point. I will tell you that except for a few exceptions, the bodybuilders I train didn’t train harder than the other guys. But they bragged about it more. I’ve never seen a strongman competitor (including Canada’s strongest man), powerlifter or pro athlete brag about how “hardcore” hey were and how the other guys sucked. When you are secure you do not need to do that. And in my mind, if you have to say that you are something… then you aren’t.
And while I love all strength sports and respect the achievement of everybody, I always hated the bodybuilding milieu because it is the most elitist of them all. Powerlifters or strongmen competitors do not make fun of people who do not plan on competing in their sport. And they know that someone can decide not to pursue an actual competitive “career” and train harder than many competitors.
Only in bodybuilding d we see that … maybe because bodybuilding attracts insecure people… maybe it’s because it attracts extreme personalities. I don’t know, but it always turned me off, even if I was involved in it and respect the achievement of the guys who compete.[/quote]
I honestly don’t see that on this forum at all. All of the people who compete on this board seem to recognize that it’s not for everyone.
The only instance I can think of that you MAY be referring to is zraw saying some of the “full house” guys are fat…he’s not saying they should be competing (most of them were powerlifters, anyway), he’s just saying they’re not at a level of leanness that he desires. I don’t think he’s saying people have to get competitively lean, but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
FTR, I don’t think they’re fat, I’d love to have that look if I could build enough muscle and I’ve never gotten really lean, either. So I don’t have a dog in this fight.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I honestly don’t see that on this forum at all. [/quote]
Funny, I see it almost daily.
We are literally have arguments because some of us don’t compete and don’t care about being contest level lean. There are arguments about how your gains don’t matter or can not be quantified unless in contest shape…and arguments about how hugely built people are so fat that their advice doesn’t matter.
If you are missing all of this, it is because you are not paying attention…or are biased about where it is coming from.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I honestly don’t see that on this forum at all. [/quote]
Funny, I see it almost daily.
We are literally have arguments because some of us don’t compete and don’t care about being contest level lean. There are arguments about how your gains don’t matter or can not be quantified unless in contest shape…and arguments about how hugely built people are so fat that their advice doesn’t matter.
If you are missing all of this, it is because you are not paying attention…or are biased about where it is coming from.[/quote]
PX have you noticed if it is more frequent recently? I know the competitive season is near for many of these people, there might be a correlation to be found.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
[/quote]
Question…who is doing this?
Next question…who is recommending anyone else do this?
Final question…if you can not tell me a person who is saying this…why did you bring it up?
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I honestly don’t see that on this forum at all. [/quote]
Funny, I see it almost daily.
We are literally have arguments because some of us don’t compete and don’t care about being contest level lean. There are arguments about how your gains don’t matter or can not be quantified unless in contest shape…and arguments about how hugely built people are so fat that their advice doesn’t matter.
If you are missing all of this, it is because you are not paying attention…or are biased about where it is coming from.[/quote]
PX have you noticed if it is more frequent recently? I know the competitive season is near for many of these people, there might be a correlation to be found.[/quote]
No, I just think some guys got carried away and thought that more here were thinking like they were.
I am all for the guys here who compete…but lately, it is like ANY other discussion gets hammered by a group of guys who seem to think that only people who compete can even talk about these issues.
It has destroyed the feeling of “family” this board used to have. Rainjack tattooed a symbol of T-Nation on him. I doubt many of these posters would feel that kind of connection today and it is primarily because of that little cult thing that was happening.
No one gets real big by being absolutely clueless…even the real dumb guys can teach you something.
That means the attack of those who don;t compete was doing nothing but stopping a lot of people from learning much at all.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]
I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
[/quote]
That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.
It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.
Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.
thank you.[/quote]
I’m assuming good shape in this forum is being right at or under a 40 inch waist.
[/quote]
I competed in bodybuilding, I competed in olympic lifting and trained for powerlifting. I trained with strongman competitors, have trained pro hockey players and pro football players (among other athletes). I also trained many high level bodybuilders, including a few pros, 3 of who made the Olympia at some point. I will tell you that except for a few exceptions, the bodybuilders I train didn’t train harder than the other guys. But they bragged about it more. I’ve never seen a strongman competitor (including Canada’s strongest man), powerlifter or pro athlete brag about how “hardcore” hey were and how the other guys sucked. When you are secure you do not need to do that. And in my mind, if you have to say that you are something… then you aren’t.
And while I love all strength sports and respect the achievement of everybody, I always hated the bodybuilding milieu because it is the most elitist of them all. Powerlifters or strongmen competitors do not make fun of people who do not plan on competing in their sport. And they know that someone can decide not to pursue an actual competitive “career” and train harder than many competitors.
Only in bodybuilding d we see that … maybe because bodybuilding attracts insecure people… maybe it’s because it attracts extreme personalities. Maybe it’s because they are in a bad mood when dieting and feel like making others feel like crap when they feel like crap themselves (I know that when I feel bad, I’m not super nice to others). I don’t know, but it always turned me off, even if I was involved in it and respect the achievement of the guys who compete.[/quote]
THIS
Can’t we also point to the subjective nature of bodybuilding? “Bodybuilder Y has the most awesome ____” according to who? In powerlifting or strongman or oly lifting, you either get the weight up or you don’t, to some degree. Sports you either are winning or you are not.
I admire the dedication to their craft, but the practice of bodybuilding is just weird to me. I haven’t gotten measured, but I know I am at x.x% bodyfat. I am getting 22% of my calories from X macro nutrient. You HAVE to get more grams of X macro.
How you have to train is -----, said some keyboard warrior who never met the trainee or read how they train in a paragraph or so. That isn’t isolated to BB though.
I lower my weight in 2 seconds. Probably not. Close, but who cares.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
And right here is one of the biggest problems people have with you. You fucking whine about everybody else and their personal attacks on you, yet anytime someone has a LEGITIMATE complaint or disagreement and voices it in a mature way, you cut them down with personal attacks.
I can certainly go back to the pre-exhuast thread and pull out the numerous personal attacks you made on me.
I think everything around here would be much better if you would stop being a hypocrite by chastising everybody for doing the EXACT same things you do.
Seriously, it’s pathetic.
In before getting lumped together with the guys just slinging mud for the sake of it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good shape means looking good FOR YOURSELF.
That basically means the kind of shape you alone are happy with…and not the shape that some other anonymous guy on the internet thinks you should have.
[/quote]
This is very cute and all but then im not sure why you were so keen on talking down on “skinny guys with abs and 15inches arms”
What if that was what they were happy with? Why tell them to EAT OR GTFO THIS IS THE BODYBUILDING FORUM?
… ok
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good shape means looking good FOR YOURSELF.
That basically means the kind of shape you alone are happy with…and not the shape that some other anonymous guy on the internet thinks you should have.
[/quote]
This is very cute and all but then im not sure why you were so keen on talking down on “skinny guys with abs and 15inches arms”
What if that was what they were happy with? Why tell them to EAT OR GTFO THIS IS THE BODYBUILDING FORUM?
… ok
[/quote]
? If someone is already happy with how they look, they are NOT bodybuilding.
I like how I look right now, but it is by no means my final goal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
[/quote]
Question…who is doing this?
Next question…who is recommending anyone else do this?
Final question…if you can not tell me a person who is saying this…why did you bring it up?
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
I’m going to avoid both of your posts directed to me, because you construe anything written about you as a personal attack and I’d rather not 1)hurt your feelings and 2)start another shit storm thread.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
And right here is one of the biggest problems people have with you. You fucking whine about everybody else and their personal attacks on you, yet anytime someone has a LEGITIMATE complaint or disagreement and voices it in a mature way, you cut them down with personal attacks.
I can certainly go back to the pre-exhuast thread and pull out the numerous personal attacks you made on me.
I think everything around here would be much better if you would stop being a hypocrite by chastising everybody for doing the EXACT same things you do.
Seriously, it’s pathetic.
In before getting lumped together with the guys just slinging mud for the sake of it.
[/quote]
If you have this much of a problem with one poster here, put them on ignore and save the rest of the board the trouble of listening to you whine about them.
My previous post was meant for him to actually answer the questions I asked, not to do like you and turn this into another debate about how you don’t like me.
I don’t care if you don’t like me.
Take that noise to the Get a Life forum and leave it there.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
[/quote]
Question…who is doing this?
Next question…who is recommending anyone else do this?
Final question…if you can not tell me a person who is saying this…why did you bring it up?
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
I’m going to avoid both of your posts directed to me, because you construe anything written about you as a personal attack and I’d rather not 1)hurt your feelings and 2)start another shit storm thread. [/quote]
Simply put, NO ONE HERE IS TELLING ANYONE TO GET TO 25% BODY FAT…unlike what you wrote.
I am not 25% body fat and neither is CT.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
[/quote]
Question…who is doing this?
Next question…who is recommending anyone else do this?
Final question…if you can not tell me a person who is saying this…why did you bring it up?
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
I’m going to avoid both of your posts directed to me, because you construe anything written about you as a personal attack and I’d rather not 1)hurt your feelings and 2)start another shit storm thread. [/quote]
Simply put, NO ONE HERE IS TELLING ANYONE TO GET TO 25% BODY FAT…unlike what you wrote.
I am not 25% body fat and neither is CT.
[/quote]
CT is not 25% body fat? Surely you jest.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
but walking around at 25% for your entire lifting career and calling yourself a bodybuilder ain’t gonna cut it, either.
[/quote]
Question…who is doing this?
Next question…who is recommending anyone else do this?
Final question…if you can not tell me a person who is saying this…why did you bring it up?
Those questions above are listed so you can respond to them and ONLY them without straying into personal attacks.[/quote]
I’m going to avoid both of your posts directed to me, because you construe anything written about you as a personal attack and I’d rather not 1)hurt your feelings and 2)start another shit storm thread. [/quote]
Simply put, NO ONE HERE IS TELLING ANYONE TO GET TO 25% BODY FAT…unlike what you wrote.
I am not 25% body fat and neither is CT.
[/quote]
CT is not 25% body fat? Surely you jest. [/quote]
I’m actually 24%… but look 10% with good lighting in my mother’s bathroom 