Bigger, stronger, leaner.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]giograves wrote:
Wouldn’t have been easier to rename the current BB forum and move out the actual few pure pro BB threads to its own section?

Eh, o well.[/quote]

Obviously not since every post gets hammered if someone isn’t a competitive bodybuilder in that forum lately.

If someone isn’t talking about contest shape, they pretty much get shouted down.

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It’s because of people like Yolo84 who think that unless you compete in bodybuilding/powerlifting/computer typing/fapping etc that you’re not part of that particular clique.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Hey CT - do you have any clarification on how this new forum is supposed to differ from the BB forum?[/quote]

It’s still in development/transition.

The way I see it, not everybody wants to do actual “bodybuilding” (for competition or training like those who do competition). The vast majority of the people simply want to get bigger, stronger and leaner without necessarily training “bodybuilding-style”…

It is not for less serious or less advanced individuals. In fact I consider myself as belonging in that category. It’s for those who want to maximize what their body can do and look like without a competitive goal in mind.[/quote]

Not sure if you guys are taking suggestions, wanting to hear comments, etc., but can the forum really handle more dilution? Looking at the first page of the BB forum, there are threads on the page that haven’t been replied to in a week. And I get the whole quality vs quality thing, but are the methods to getting bigger, stronger and leaner drastically different than the methods used in bodybuilding (excluding actual contest prep)?[/quote]

We want Bigger, Stronger and Leaner to be the big thing… ideally all training threads not related to actual competitive bodybuilding should be posted here. The bodybuilding forum should be left for those doing contest preps, contest discussions and the bodybuilding lifestyle. I personally do not see myself as belonging in that crowd, which is why I’ll hang more in the Bigger, Stronger and Leaner forum.[/quote]

Same here.

My goal is a more full look and more strength than someone looking to compete.[/quote]

This is a pretty cool forum if this is the idea behind the creation. I was always reluctant to make a thread in the bodybuilding forum on the fact that I am not a bodybuilder. I wanted the opinions of the guys on the board but felt my questions were for the “beginners” section. Not much traffic goes there. I think this is the go between “beginner” forum and “bodybuilding” forum.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Hey CT - do you have any clarification on how this new forum is supposed to differ from the BB forum?[/quote]

It’s still in development/transition.

The way I see it, not everybody wants to do actual “bodybuilding” (for competition or training like those who do competition). The vast majority of the people simply want to get bigger, stronger and leaner without necessarily training “bodybuilding-style”…

It is not for less serious or less advanced individuals. In fact I consider myself as belonging in that category. It’s for those who want to maximize what their body can do and look like without a competitive goal in mind.[/quote]

Not sure if you guys are taking suggestions, wanting to hear comments, etc., but can the forum really handle more dilution? Looking at the first page of the BB forum, there are threads on the page that haven’t been replied to in a week. And I get the whole quality vs quality thing, but are the methods to getting bigger, stronger and leaner drastically different than the methods used in bodybuilding (excluding actual contest prep)?[/quote]

We want Bigger, Stronger and Leaner to be the big thing… ideally all training threads not related to actual competitive bodybuilding should be posted here. The bodybuilding forum should be left for those doing contest preps, contest discussions and the bodybuilding lifestyle. I personally do not see myself as belonging in that crowd, which is why I’ll hang more in the Bigger, Stronger and Leaner forum.[/quote]

Sounds like the place for me to hang out then. When I’m not training specific Olympic lifting, I don’t really have a huge interest in other things like straight up BB, PL, etc… which is why I tend to gravitate more towards ‘programs’ like 5/3/1, Juggernaut Method, and your older Indigo templates. I can’t wait to get my hands on the layer system, honestly. Although, I might have to delay doing it for some time because I’m prepping for a police academy and have to focus more on the conditioning aspect and running, which the layer system is definitely not designed for.

It should be named the “Power Building” or “Power Look” forum. Get the power look and prepare to walk through brick walls. That is what I am going for.


Speaking of which CT, have you read the Juggernaut Method e-book? It kind of combines the ideas of Wendler’s 5/3/1 progression system, the training of Doug Young (adjusting training weights based on performance from previous workouts), and block periodization (you know all about this). I think it’s quite an interesting read. They also have a huge foundation in sprints, jumps, and throws.

[quote]forbes wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]giograves wrote:
Wouldn’t have been easier to rename the current BB forum and move out the actual few pure pro BB threads to its own section?

Eh, o well.[/quote]

Obviously not since every post gets hammered if someone isn’t a competitive bodybuilder in that forum lately.

If someone isn’t talking about contest shape, they pretty much get shouted down.

[/quote]

It’s because of people like Yolo84 who think that unless you compete in bodybuilding/powerlifting/computer typing/fapping etc that you’re not part of that particular clique.[/quote]

I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.

Everyone here isn’t trying to jump on stage.

Most of us just want to be really fucking muscular and look good and be real strong.

I like the way I look right now even if I plan to get leaner later. I shouldn’t have to be called obese constantly if I ever post.

I doubt that will happen much here aside from the fact that I am betting less traffic will be seen in the bodybuilding forum.

X, do you mind posting up (or linking to) a brief description of what your training and diet were like back then in the ‘earliest stages,’ and what you would do differently if you were back at that stage of your training?

Many thanks to everyone who’s been posting all the great insight so far in this thread.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
We want Bigger, Stronger and Leaner to be the big thing… ideally all training threads not related to actual competitive bodybuilding should be posted here. The bodybuilding forum should be left for those doing contest preps, contest discussions and the bodybuilding lifestyle. I personally do not see myself as belonging in that crowd, which is why I’ll hang more in the Bigger, Stronger and Leaner forum.[/quote]

So basically this section is for those who want to be “Built for Bad.” The forum name is fitting as it encompasses what is needed to achieve that end, and threads created by members utilizing the training principles and programs found on/through the site (which don’t specifically relate to competitive goals) can now have a place - where in other sections they seemed out of place.

Thank you for creating Bigger Stronger Leaner. One of the things that drew me to T-Nation was the articles focused not only on training but also what it took to reach one’s goals - the behavioral and mental attitudes which lend themselves to success both inside and outside the gym. There was a period where several pieces, written by TC Luoma and other contributors, contained this idea of motivating readers to be goal oriented and train with intensity with the intention they should forge themselves into becoming a T-Man or a T-Vixen. It was a motivating identity members adopted which also made them a part of this online community, Testosterone Nation. Recently, articles have gotten away from this and it showed in the forums. The idea is partially represented in the Brotherhood of Iron, but that is a by-invitation group and not everybody is going to (yet) meet the criteria for membership or log in everyday to post their training sessions. Bigger Stronger Leaner is new, and we’ll have to see how it develops, but I think it is a good step towards making the T-Nation forums more inclusive.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

. The bodybuilding forum should be left for those doing contest preps, contest discussions and the bodybuilding lifestyle. [/quote]

Great news

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
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I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that. You weren’t always as abrasive as you seem to have gotten lately (that pre-exaust thread was the most ridiculous excuse for just not wanting to admit you got something backwards that I have ever seen).

Honestly though, do you have a lot of experience to draw from when offering advice? Sure, you’re a pretty large dude, and that doesn’t happen completely by accident. Are you an expert on dieting to single digit bodyfat or the complexities of bodybuilding competition simply because you train at the same gym as other guys who have? Not really. This is where you seem to draw the most heat, especially when you’ve got a pretty decent amount of people on here who have done so themselves and are more than willing to share their experiences. Add to this the number of other people with Biology degrees, who work in the medical or strength training field, and suddenly, there are a whole lot of very intelligent people on here, who deserve to be treated with a little more respect (no, I’m not talking about the BS posts that serve no purpose other than to hassle you).

If you want to go on thinking there’s some giant conspiracy on here that’s fine. As for me, I’ve always been open and honest, and when I’m wrong about something, or if someone else knows more than I do, I don’t come up with some way to make myself seem on the same playing field, or argue until they give up. My ego’s just fine.

I do plan on continuing to give my opinions, and if they conflict with yours, I will back them up as I always have done. If you act like a spoiled brat, who for some reason seems to always get special treatment on this site despite driving away a good number of posters over the years who I honestly think had much much more to offer in terms of information, I certainly won’t feel like I’m playing ‘mean girls’ and picking on poor ol’ X for no good reason. You may not deserve some of the crap you get on here, but you have certainly given some folks reason for the way they act.

(Hopefully you let this go at this, I have no wish to throw mud back and forth)

S

I will say this much. When I initially started lurking, Professor X, yourself, as well as the Facebook Brotherhood of Iron or whatever they’re called were huge influences on me as a relatively, and still in many ways, clueless beginner. However, I have grown to despise the dogmatism that this board seems to produce. Not directed at you. I think it’s refreshing how quickly you and CT, for instance, are willing to admit whether you may be wrong or not.

In defense of X, whose attitude has seemed pretty shitty as of late… when all the younger posters were ganging up on him… there was an aura of immaturity about them…

FWIW, I have made the most progress thanks to you, kingb33f, and various posts by some of the younger people here… from a much greater understanding of nutrition to learning to feel the muscle working to finally manning up and joining a gym (as well as quitting smoking and being an alcoholic)…

I also think it is amusing sifting through old T-Cell posts and seeing how different the general vibe around here was. As I said, I feel like the newer vibe is working a helluva lot better for me, but I think we have had massive individuals who did things from TBT (though people tend to think in terms of body part splits), straight sets (though most seem to lean in favor of ramping), and even massive eating… just a few things that come to mind from some 'How Do You Train?" threads.

Bottom line is I guess I wish X would be more open minded, but I wish half the other people who have achieved literally nothing would stop being such children also and nut riding the next big thing (in the form of whatever key member is making waves, at the moment)…

Finally, I might as well just thank you Stu, while I’m here, for helping me with my nutrition though you probably don’t realize it. When I came to you, it turned out I wasn’t eating nearly what I thought I was… and I have made major strides using the initial spreadsheet I sent you and just experimenting from week to week… My intention is to actually see if you are accepting clients in the near future (now that I’m financially in a better place at least, lol)… Same to kingb33f whose programs I’ve been using almost exclusively for a while now… as well as the plethora of other people whose posts I’ve gleaned information here and there from…

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]

I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that. You weren’t always as abrasive as you seem to have gotten lately (that pre-exaust thread was the most ridiculous excuse for just not wanting to admit you got something backwards that I have ever seen).

Honestly though, do you have a lot of experience to draw from when offering advice? Sure, you’re a pretty large dude, and that doesn’t happen completely by accident. Are you an expert on dieting to single digit bodyfat or the complexities of bodybuilding competition simply because you train at the same gym as other guys who have? Not really. This is where you seem to draw the most heat, especially when you’ve got a pretty decent amount of people on here who have done so themselves and are more than willing to share their experiences. Add to this the number of other people with Biology degrees, who work in the medical or strength training field, and suddenly, there are a whole lot of very intelligent people on here, who deserve to be treated with a little more respect (no, I’m not talking about the BS posts that serve no purpose other than to hassle you).

If you want to go on thinking there’s some giant conspiracy on here that’s fine. As for me, I’ve always been open and honest, and when I’m wrong about something, or if someone else knows more than I do, I don’t come up with some way to make myself seem on the same playing field, or argue until they give up. My ego’s just fine.

I do plan on continuing to give my opinions, and if they conflict with yours, I will back them up as I always have done. If you act like a spoiled brat, who for some reason seems to always get special treatment on this site despite driving away a good number of posters over the years who I honestly think had much much more to offer in terms of information, I certainly won’t feel like I’m playing ‘mean girls’ and picking on poor ol’ X for no good reason. You may not deserve some of the crap you get on here, but you have certainly given some folks reason for the way they act.

(Hopefully you let this go at this, I have no wish to throw mud back and forth)

S

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So wait, I’m still confused…are we supposed to have the shit storm threads in the BB forum or this forum?

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
So wait, I’m still confused…are we supposed to have the shit storm threads in the BB forum or this forum? [/quote]

x2

Although this thread just got kinda interesting.

Where’s my popcorn?

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
So wait, I’m still confused…are we supposed to have the shit storm threads in the BB forum or this forum? [/quote]

Actually, it’d be cool if there was a forum specific just for arguing. Sure, get a life could fit the bill, but I’m talking a sub forum only for those who want to bicker. T-Battle forum sounds cool.

Oh and political debates don’t count. There’s a difference between silly arguing and academic criticism.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
So wait, I’m still confused…are we supposed to have the shit storm threads in the BB forum or this forum? [/quote]
Yeah looks like it’s inevitable at the moment. He’s just freaking everywhere.
Hopefully this forum will stay on topic and people will just pull him up the one time then move on.
I can’t really see that happening though as he is so grating and does get under ones skin.
We can only hope.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have noticed this with many people, even Stu. Lately, it is like you have a clique that only wants the competitors to ever speak on anything.
[/quote]

I initially called you on your overall egotistical attitude, and I still stand by that.
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That’s the point…this forum is about getting huge, strong and in good shape.

It is NOT about my ego or anyone else’s.

Please take those issues to the Get a Life forum.

thank you.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
So wait, I’m still confused…are we supposed to have the shit storm threads in the BB forum or this forum? [/quote]

The goal is for that level of immaturity to stop. If you want to discuss getting into contest shape go to the bodybuilding forum. The fact that you even brought that up here is already adding content that this section isn’t for.

Cant wait for the bbing forum

Will be a quality forum if ppl that keep saying they have no planof competing do not post there

A forum exempt of shitstorms yay