[quote]waltny wrote:
Ryu13 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Come on Prof, what branch of service and what job specialty? You’re too big for SpecOps, so it can’t be too classified. I’m an aircraft maintenance officer. In the Marines, for an officer to be “fat” is inconcievable and unforgivable. Enlisted guys can recover their career from being assigned to an official weight control program, officers are dead if they get assigned, even if they loose the weight.
He’s not too big for Specops.
I would say he is.
Most specop guys are slightly taller than average, long and lanky with average builds at best. This is an over generalization of course, but I would say is dead on about 80% of the time.
No offense to the Prof, but I think it would be damn hard to maintain 270 at 5’11" in a high op tempo specop unit.
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That IS an over generalization. I’ve seen’em in all shapes and sizes. Fat, short, skinny, tall, I think I’ve seen it all. As long as he passes the physical requirements, he can be whatever the fuck he wants. Of course being in a specops team would seriously hamper his progress as a bodybuilder, but it can be done.
What I’m getting is that it’s not really possible to increase the size of your arms without gaining weight. So all those program articles that claim “just lift this weight X-amout of times for big guns” and “superset this and this for massive arms” are pretty worthless unless you are eating enough food to gain weight.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
What I’m getting is that it’s not really possible to increase the size of your arms without gaining weight. So all those program articles that claim “just lift this weight X-amout of times for big guns” and “superset this and this for massive arms” are pretty worthless unless you are eating enough food to gain weight. [/quote]
Many bodybuilders would consider that common sense. You don’t see anyone with 20" arms under 190lbs. There is a reason for that.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
What I’m getting is that it’s not really possible to increase the size of your arms without gaining weight. So all those program articles that claim “just lift this weight X-amout of times for big guns” and “superset this and this for massive arms” are pretty worthless unless you are eating enough food to gain weight. [/quote]
They are writing those with the mindset that your dietary needs will be in order to not only recover, but build.
The dietary requirements are an unmentioned, foregone conclusion, and not the thesis of an arm specialization article.
Some will recomend pre/pwo supps though.
I know I’ve seen Waterbury,Thibs, and a few others mention a few for optimal results.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
What I’m getting is that it’s not really possible to increase the size of your arms without gaining weight. So all those program articles that claim “just lift this weight X-amout of times for big guns” and “superset this and this for massive arms” are pretty worthless unless you are eating enough food to gain weight. [/quote]
I agree with you. That’s why I was trying to give you some tips on how to get away with weight gain in the Marine Corps.
[quote]Ryu13 wrote:
waltny wrote:
Ryu13 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Come on Prof, what branch of service and what job specialty? You’re too big for SpecOps, so it can’t be too classified. I’m an aircraft maintenance officer. In the Marines, for an officer to be “fat” is inconcievable and unforgivable. Enlisted guys can recover their career from being assigned to an official weight control program, officers are dead if they get assigned, even if they loose the weight.
He’s not too big for Specops.
I would say he is.
Most specop guys are slightly taller than average, long and lanky with average builds at best. This is an over generalization of course, but I would say is dead on about 80% of the time.
No offense to the Prof, but I think it would be damn hard to maintain 270 at 5’11" in a high op tempo specop unit.
That IS an over generalization. I’ve seen’em in all shapes and sizes. Fat, short, skinny, tall, I think I’ve seen it all. As long as he passes the physical requirements, he can be whatever the fuck he wants. Of course being in a specops team would seriously hamper his progress as a bodybuilder, but it can be done.
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OH Im sure you have seen it all hero. There is no doubt in my mind, not after this post, if there ever was for that matter.
Also I dont ever recall telling him he couldnt do it, just stated it would be damn hard.
Just for fun, lets see what mind stimulating literary works of genius you can come up with from this post.
Even some of the articles here sometimes make it sound like all you have to do is follow the specific program and you will have huge legs or cannonball shoulders or massive arms. “Just add 2 sets of the DoggSide Cambridge Crypto Arm Assault and your arms will grow like crazy” and that’s all it takes. I have been lifting for a long time, but up until about 2004 all my knowledge and programs came right out of Muscle and Fitness magazine with minimal results. But I kept at it because I love the sport. I really appreciate all the help you guys have given me. I like the idea of bulking up immediately after a weigh-in then slimming down about a month before the next weigh-in. I’m going to have to get all new uniforms. Cha-Ching!
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Even some of the articles here sometimes make it sound like all you have to do is follow the specific program and you will have huge legs or cannonball shoulders or massive arms. “Just add 2 sets of the DoggSide Cambridge Crypto Arm Assault and your arms will grow like crazy” and that’s all it takes. I have been lifting for a long time, but up until about 2004 all my knowledge and programs came right out of Muscle and Fitness magazine with minimal results. But I kept at it because I love the sport. I really appreciate all the help you guys have given me. I like the idea of bulking up immediately after a weigh-in then slimming down about a month before the next weigh-in. I’m going to have to get all new uniforms. Cha-Ching! [/quote]
I might try an intelligent bulk once I get back stateside and PCS. Ill be at a depot level maint shop and might get away with it after I take the APFT.
One the uniform issue, they dont give officers one do they? I get almost 500 a year now and it will cost me almost that for 4 new ACU’s and a pair boots.
Good luck sir, Semper Fi
CPL Walter 96-00
[quote]waltny wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Even some of the articles here sometimes make it sound like all you have to do is follow the specific program and you will have huge legs or cannonball shoulders or massive arms. “Just add 2 sets of the DoggSide Cambridge Crypto Arm Assault and your arms will grow like crazy” and that’s all it takes. I have been lifting for a long time, but up until about 2004 all my knowledge and programs came right out of Muscle and Fitness magazine with minimal results. But I kept at it because I love the sport. I really appreciate all the help you guys have given me. I like the idea of bulking up immediately after a weigh-in then slimming down about a month before the next weigh-in. I’m going to have to get all new uniforms. Cha-Ching!
I might try an intelligent bulk once I get back stateside and PCS. Ill be at a depot level maint shop and might get away with it after I take the APFT.
One the uniform issue, they dont give officers one do they? I get almost 500 a year now and it will cost me almost that for 4 new ACU’s and a pair boots.
Good luck sir, Semper Fi
CPL Walter 96-00 [/quote]
We get nothing for uniforms. I had to take out a freakin’ $2500 loan to pay for my initial uniforms (my parents bought me my sword, than damn thing is $400). When I got promoted to Major I had to go buy the “Mess Dress” uniform…$1000! But, damn it looks good. Best looking uniform in the military, and comfortable.
If gaining weight is a big issue, try upping your activitiy level, throw in some sprints and more weight sessions. See if you can eat at maintenance and improve body comp. It’s not quick, but if doing that gets your waist a little slimmer then a more traditional bulk could be in the works.
I’m taking the family to Hilton Head all next week. That will be a nice break from lifting while I ponder the meaning of lift and lifting. Probably do some light cardio, but not much. Then come back in July born-again, refreshed and hit it hard.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Is it possible to build bigger arms without gaining weight? [/quote]
YOU ALREADY HAVE
From your pics your arms are big compared to the rest of you. I doubt you are gonna make them any bigger compared to the rest of you, I think you are at the limit.
Make the rest big, now
And when did everyone start measuring their arms flexed? Arm straight, relaxed, cold, first thing in the morning is what it is supposed to be. Not flushed with blood. Not pumped from exercise. Not big from normal day activity. And not flexed at all. You are supposed to be measuring the mass of the arm not how much blood you can get into it.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Is it possible to build bigger arms without gaining weight?
YOU ALREADY HAVE
From your pics your arms are big compared to the rest of you. I doubt you are gonna make them any bigger compared to the rest of you, I think you are at the limit.
Make the rest big, now
And when did everyone start measuring their arms flexed? Arm straight, relaxed, cold, first thing in the morning is what it is supposed to be. Not flushed with blood. Not pumped from exercise. Not big from normal day activity. And not flexed at all. You are supposed to be measuring the mass of the arm not how much blood you can get into it.
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Biceps measurements are done flexed in bodybuilding. I hope you don’t think pro’s are claiming 24" biceps unflexed. They are done before or long after a weight training session, but they are done flexed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Biceps measurements are done flexed in bodybuilding. I hope you don’t think pro’s are claiming 24" biceps unflexed. They are done before or long after a weight training session, but they are done flexed.[/quote]
Buy a neck harness from Ironmind or whoever, throw in some towel work, 4-way machine if you have access to one, work the neck three days a week, and you can put at least an inch on your neck in a year easy. Should help solve that problem.
As for your arms, I may not be the best guy to take advice from, given that mine are still a hair under 16" at a relatively lean 205, but I’d ditch the BFL crap and try one of the arm workouts here, Ian King’s old one is pretty solid.
One thing I’d recommend is also maybe trying some powerlifting, I’m transitioning into a Westside-style program, and the work your triceps get (again, 2/3 of the arm) is pretty serious, feel like they’re responding well.
If you’re lifting primarily for aesthetics though, which sounds like it may be the case, I’d focus on beefing up your shoulders and lats first, lean out your waist, worry about your arms a bit later. Just my two cents.