[quote]burt128 wrote:
Nobody’s “whining” about his depth, folks are just stating opinions about whether it was high or not. Sports fans across the globe argue about calls officials make or don’t make. It is part of being a fan. Refusing to allow taping from the side on squats is silly and if SPF judging could stand up to even minimal scrutiny, they’d allow it. Perhaps if enough people question the credibility of the judging in these goofy feds, the top talents (like Rob) will do meets in federations that actually enforce the rules are they are written. That’s probably very unlikely, but one can always hope.[/quote]
Do you compete in the SPF?
Do you judge there?
Are you part owner?
Do you sponsor their meets?
Did you go watch the Ironman?
If you have no dog in the fight, then you “stating your opinion” anonymously multiple times on an internet forum is whining. Don’t like what the SPF is doing, don’t compete there, don’t sponsor their meets, don’t spectate, and don’t even bother to pay attention to what goes on. I firmly disagree with just about EVERYTHING the USAPL does, but I’m not on the forums kicking in doors the day after every big USAPL meet throwing a fit about how a good squat got redlighted or how so and so got DQ’d for having a pocket on their t-shirt. I don’t like that fed’s take on powerlifting, so I don’t concern myself with it.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Nobody’s “whining” about his depth, folks are just stating opinions about whether it was high or not. Sports fans across the globe argue about calls officials make or don’t make. It is part of being a fan. Refusing to allow taping from the side on squats is silly and if SPF judging could stand up to even minimal scrutiny, they’d allow it. Perhaps if enough people question the credibility of the judging in these goofy feds, the top talents (like Rob) will do meets in federations that actually enforce the rules are they are written. That’s probably very unlikely, but one can always hope.[/quote]
Do you compete in the SPF?
Do you judge there?
Are you part owner?
Do you sponsor their meets?
Did you go watch the Ironman?
If you have no dog in the fight, then you “stating your opinion” anonymously multiple times on an internet forum is whining. Don’t like what the SPF is doing, don’t compete there, don’t sponsor their meets, don’t spectate, and don’t even bother to pay attention to what goes on. I firmly disagree with just about EVERYTHING the USAPL does, but I’m not on the forums kicking in doors the day after every big USAPL meet throwing a fit about how a good squat got redlighted or how so and so got DQ’d for having a pocket on their t-shirt. I don’t like that fed’s take on powerlifting, so I don’t concern myself with it.
Grow up and get over it.[/quote]
Touched a nerve I guess. You may want to take another look at what the word “whining” means, nothing I’ve said on this thread fits.
I don’t much care about the SPF except when questionable lifts pass in it and are treated as all-time records. I take interest in the all-time records. If a lifter sets a purported all-time record in the SPF (or any other fed, for that matter), commenting on the quality of the lift is perfectly appropriate regardless of the fed in which one competes. I couldn’t care less about the SPF state or national records, but when they start passing lifts that get treated as all-time raw, single ply or multiply records, any competitor or fan of the sport is entitled to comment.
He’s got something on his knees as well, if that’s knee wraps, it also contributes to the lift and pr. definition the lift would not be classified as raw, unless this fed has a special definition of raw.
I’d be more impressed if he did a totally clean and deep 350kg in a federation with stricter judging. Perhaps he’d done more than that too, but cutting the height on the lift and using knee wraps will surely give some extra poundage.
Not denying the fact that the dude is extremely strong, but I don’t know why he don’t do it properly when he’s at it.
To draw a parallel: Whenever did we see a high jumper jump slightly touch the bar, not making the lift, but still claiming he made the jump? Silly? Just wait, there might pop up a federation that will give you a good jump if you was 5cm away from making the lift.
Well, this will probably never happen in athletics (high jump, long jump, 100m sprint etc), but in powerlifting the tricks to make a name for yourself and to blow up those numbers seem to never end.
Heck, there’s so many federations these days that almost every dedicated enough can be a “world champ” in a random small PL federation.
All the people pointing out the fact that his squat was high is not hating, they are just stating their opinion about something they see, all the fuss about his lift should be enough to change the rules. A squat should be a squat IMO.
Of course he’s stronger than anyone on this board, most likely, but our level of strength has never stopped us from stating our opinion.
[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
I ain’t trying to hijack the thread or anything… but that dude squatted a half a ton. Raw.[/quote]
This, motherfucking this. He put 1000lbs on his back with a T-shirt and shorts on, sat down and went back up like it was nothing. And people are arguing about depth? Whenever a powerlifter doesn’t bury a squat, the depth argument comes up: EVERY SINGLE TIME. As if you can tell standing 15ft away with a high angle and a huge gut. Let it go.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
The rule book clearly specifies the top of the thigh (at the crease of the hip). The judges at this meet, who had an infinitely better vantage point from the side and 3 feet away than any anonymous whining troll with a cell phone video, came to the consensus that the lift was performed by the standards set forth in the rule book.
Now, if you have a problem with that, go take the test and be a judge, otherwise, find better things to do with your time than whining about what other people did in our obscure, ultimately insignificant hobby sport.
The SPF doesn’t allow taping from the side because they feel that the credibility of their officiating is more important than feeding the appetites of insatiable forum trolls. The reality is that the majority of the online complaining about lifts performed in multiply feds comes from people who do not lift in, support, or even actively spectate multiply powerlifting and would find fault with lifts in whatever way possible.
In an environment where the line between judging and spectating has become impossibly blurred (because on the internet, everyone thinks their opinion fucking matters), removing the ability of the online viewer to accurately make a judgment call is an attempt to sharpen the distinction between those who are qualified to make a real judgment on a lift and those who enjoy bitching for the sake of bitching.[/quote]
agreed . Btw I was a national referee in the adfpa years ago. Which of course is the usapl now.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Nobody’s “whining” about his depth, folks are just stating opinions about whether it was high or not. Sports fans across the globe argue about calls officials make or don’t make. It is part of being a fan. Refusing to allow taping from the side on squats is silly and if SPF judging could stand up to even minimal scrutiny, they’d allow it. Perhaps if enough people question the credibility of the judging in these goofy feds, the top talents (like Rob) will do meets in federations that actually enforce the rules are they are written. That’s probably very unlikely, but one can always hope.[/quote]
Do you compete in the SPF?
Do you judge there?
Are you part owner?
Do you sponsor their meets?
Did you go watch the Ironman?
If you have no dog in the fight, then you “stating your opinion” anonymously multiple times on an internet forum is whining. Don’t like what the SPF is doing, don’t compete there, don’t sponsor their meets, don’t spectate, and don’t even bother to pay attention to what goes on. I firmly disagree with just about EVERYTHING the USAPL does, but I’m not on the forums kicking in doors the day after every big USAPL meet throwing a fit about how a good squat got redlighted or how so and so got DQ’d for having a pocket on their t-shirt. I don’t like that fed’s take on powerlifting, so I don’t concern myself with it.
To draw a parallel: Whenever did we see a high jumper jump slightly touch the bar, not making the lift, but still claiming he made the jump? Silly? Just wait, there might pop up a federation that will give you a good jump if you was 5cm away from making the lift.
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I was a high jumper, and unless high school rules are some kind of variant on olympic rules, it’s perfectly permissible to touch the bar on a high jump. You simply can’t knock it off.
As per the rest of your post, it’s as bad as the problem that you claim the SPF has: judging a squat that is outside of the rules. Other feds, the USAPL among them, require lifters to squat “convincingly” deep. That’s not what it says in the rule book, and is just as big a problem
[quote]Astar wrote:
What’s frustrating is that Wilkerson got a gift and this illegitimate lift is an all time record and huge milestone in raw lifting[/quote]
Once again.
Are you a judge in the SPF?
Are you even a judge in any federation?
Were you at this meet in the side judge’s chair to view indisputably that the squat was, in fact, a gift?
Here’s the thing. You very likely answered “no” to all of those questions. That means that there are two men who answered “yes” to all of those questions, neither of which are you, and they both conclusively disagree with you.
You lose that battle. You lose that battle every time.
The only thing that bothers me about it (gave up critiquing squats across federations a loooong time ago) is that it shouldn’t be counted as RAWWWWW on the all time list because he was wearing knee wraps.
The current, from what I have seen, widely accepted standard for RAWWWW from the guys I know who compete that way and the lifters I have worked with, is knee wraps aren’t part of the equation.
Like I have said before, I easily get 80#'s out of a brutally tight set of THP’s. I wouldn’t call anything I did in wraps RAWWWWW (even though I think knee wraps should be a part of RAWWW competition).
I guess I am just kind of surprised that based on my casual reading of this thread, nobody picked up on that.
[quote]Astar wrote:
What’s frustrating is that Wilkerson got a gift and this illegitimate lift is an all time record and huge milestone in raw lifting[/quote]
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
The only thing that bothers me about it (gave up critiquing squats across federations a loooong time ago) is that it shouldn’t be counted as RAWWWWW on the all time list because he was wearing knee wraps.
The current, from what I have seen, widely accepted standard for RAWWWW from the guys I know who compete that way and the lifters I have worked with, is knee wraps aren’t part of the equation.
Like I have said before, I easily get 80#'s out of a brutally tight set of THP’s. I wouldn’t call anything I did in wraps RAWWWWW (even though I think knee wraps should be a part of RAWWW competition).
I guess I am just kind of surprised that based on my casual reading of this thread, nobody picked up on that.[/quote]
You’re right, it’s not considered RAWWWWW when you where knee wraps. When you wear knee wraps it’s just raw.
