As brutal as NHB type fights are you cannot equate them to an all-out streetfight. In my opinion you just can’t duplicate the intense real life emotions that a streetfight produces to that you’ll get in a ring. Remember in NHB fights you always know in the back of your mind that your life is not REALLY in danger, and this is just not so in a streetfight. If the dude is kicking your head in the ref will stop him. Plus you know he’s not going to steal your car, kill your dog or rape your girl. I’ve bounced in clubs and seen relative twirps go bezerk and almost kill guys twice their size. In those circumstances anything can happen, making it unpredictable and giving the underdog a better chance. And you really can’t use the first UFC’s as a point of reference. Some of the fighters really had no business being there and it really took the UFC time to develop the optimum format. It also took time for the fighters to really “learn” exactly what was the best way to train and strategize for these types of fights. Today’s fighters are extremely well rounded and I don’t think you can refer to them as “karate guys”, whatever that is. Oh , and the guy that several people have refered to that KO’d Mark Coleman, his name is Maurice Smith. This little guy (?) is 6’2" and about 215 lbs , and he seems to have a habit of winning all these HEAVYWEIGHT kickboxing, Muay Thai, Extreme Fighting and UFC Titles. Go figure. And last but certainly not least, to really excel at being a NHB, full contact type fighter you have to train A LOT. And I don’t mean lifting weights. It requires hours of “mat time” and places a huge premium on muscular endurance. Not exactly the stuff you see in a weight gaining, bodybuilding type routines. Did any of you see the Shamrock/Ortiz or Sakuraba/Royce Gracie? I was exhausted after watching them! These guys don’t worry too much about their physiques, they are worried about the go and not the show. The bottom line is if you are worried about where you measure up in the tough guy food chain, start training and find out. I don’t care how heavy you are or how much you lift, even if you weigh 275 lbs a highly trained 200lb fighter will hand you a severe beating 9 times out of 10. If you doubt me find a good hardcore type school in your area that seems to cater to NHB type trainig. They are becoming more and more popular. I’ll bet you’ll find a new respect for this “newer breed” of martial artists and you mat even enjoy it. Believe me, I live in NYC and train at a school like I described and I’ve seen plenty of very,very tough bastards under 200lbs. Check it out.
hey i m new at this but had to say something.its true many cases that small guy kick ass of big guy and vice versa but think about it<it all depends on the situation.Sometimes the little guys in great shape and a good fighter i saw an african american sailor dude kick ass of 5 asian fella s all bigger than himself.but then again it all depends i koed a fellow army mate with a single shot to a strategic part of the body.its all very circumstantial
but the main problem in fighting just think if the fuckhead actually dies in the process of fighting to show off your manhood what happens next
luckily for me so far been coming out on top oh yeah army dudes or ex army dude what they teach u guys pretty useful in fights can do a lot of damage but its also lethal can send u to prison for life
so think bout it
Mo Smith did defeat Mark but not with a KO, it
was Pete Williams who KO’ed Mark.Pete is 6’3
235.
Who do you think would win in a real fight Captain America or Batman? Aaaarrgghh.
ok here is my 2 cents.
From my experience in the martial arts a black belt is the level where u have internalized the basics not necessarily mastered. Remember that there are anywhere from 7 to 10 levels past black belt depending on the style. So its rather obscene for a brand new black belt to go out and start their own style and call themselves a master.
We had a saying in our school - If you make it to brown belt and then quit you just dont get it. If you make it to black belt and then quit you never will. We had a student that did just that. Got the black belt - bragged to their coworkers and then quit for a long period of time.
Also keep in mind that technique without a fighting or martial spirit is very ineffective. That same student just didnt have a martial spirit - might as well have been doing taichi.
An experience I had in a bar - I heard a guy talking about how he would show so and so some “moves” if they wanted to got at it. Well I was curious and walked over and asked if he trained in a martial art. He said something like - “Im an x degree black belt in yada ya and have a red sash in kung fu and Im a sensei.” So I just go - oh ok and walk away - you see sensei means more than just teacher - it also has within its meaning - wisdom. Maybe he was physically skilled but he just didnt get it - not very wise to go around saying u have wisdom.
ok so that may have been 2 1/2 cents - lol
Just a little personal note. I’m a pretty big and strong guy. I weigh 220, bench four wheels, pull 600 and ass-to-ankles squat 530, all with no gear at all except smelly gym clothes. I recently started doing mixed martial arts: thai boxing, gracie jiu-jitsu, submission fighting, etc. My strength has indeed been a really big equalizer, but nonetheless, I have in the last few days been submitted by guys weighing as little as 145. No shit.
Maurice Smith is an alright fighter, he is not winning lots of championships. He beat Coleman by decision because Coleman was for almost the entire fight. Today Maurice would not have any chance at beating Coleman.
You know what’s funny is that little guys always say they have an advantage over bigger guys, and bigger guys always say they have the advantage over little guys. My opinion is that little guys always say that little guys are tougher than bigger guys, because if they didn’t say that then they would be admitting that they are the weaker fighter. And they don’t want to look at themselves as little bitches that will almost always get their assed kicked by bigger guys. A good example that size matters in a fight is the difference between a girl that weighs 130 pounds and a guy that weighs 180 pounds, the girl, no matter how skilled in what ever fighting form she is, will not have enough strength to hurt the bigger guy. Sorry little boys, the big boys rule and I’m sorry to say that your genetics just don’t match up.
what about the big bad boys that go around shooting their mouths off hoping that if they peacock it enuff’ that no one will challenge them and reveal that they’re just big cunts.all show and no go.
and mark coleman lost because he lost. i don’t want to hear excuses. coleman’s been beat by other people too. the one that was in question was a last minute replacement if i remember correctly. you can see clips of it on the web of coleman catching a shin right across his face. if coleman gasses thats his fault for not training.
My bad with the Mo Smith info, but you can’t take shots at him! In his day he was very tough, but I agree, Coleman would dust him now but you can say that about almost everyone. Props to Jason’s post, I can’t post #'s even close to his but I too have been submitted by guys much, much smaller than myself. I have had the luck of getting to roll with a couple of Brazilian black belts and it is a whole different world. It’s like trying to guard Iverson off the dribble, tackling Barry Sanders in the open field or hitting off Randy Johnson. You just end up looking foolish. These guys have been doing this since they were 2 or 3 years old! Once they wrap onto to you you are dead 99 times out of 100. And if you try to fight dirty they know ALL the tricks, for real. They know how to get in without getting hit, if they do get hit it’s rarely a square shot and anyone tough enough to train relentlessly at jiu jitsu, shootfighting, or any style of good aggressive grappling is usually not going to drop from 1 punch. It’s been my experience that some little dudes can be annoyingly determined and tireless, Especially when fighting a larger opponent. Common sense dictates that with all other variables being equal the larger person will win most of the time, but there are exceptions to every rule and plus I guess it gives us something to talk about.