[quote]Trocchi wrote:
I think it is a massive joke. It’s just like diet pills.
Paying a load of money to be in an optimum environment to achieve sub maximal strength or conditioning seems like a bit of a cop out to me.
Then again, I think the whole concept of ‘conditioning’ is incredibly stupid.
If you want to be fit do something competitive or interesting. Why not go hiking regularly, or kayaking, or play a team sport, or run or cycle races - something that are measurable and that has an actual purpose.
‘Conditioning’ yourself ‘in case’ you ever want to plod round a 5k, pretend to row away from some angry swans on an erg 2, throw a zombie in the air in a snatch esque way or show bulimics you can make yourself puke AND do something that get you fitter just shoots away from everything good about training. [/quote]
Hey now don’t be hating on angry swans and needing to row away from them.
Once again: just because someone does a “WOD” does NOT mean they are doing crossfit. Those workouts existed before Crossfit did and are not exclusive to Crossfit. This should be obvious.
All people who do Crossfit are training to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” but not all people who train to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” are doing Crossfit.
If you are doing any kind of perodization: you’re not doing Crossfit. If you are not constantly varying your exercises, you are not doing Crossfit (this applies to MANY Crossfit affiliates). If you are following a routine (something like 5/3/1 plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word) then you are NOT doing Crossfit. If you are intentionally scheduling low intensity exercise either as a deload or to develop specific aerobic qualities, then you are not doing Crossfit.
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So by your definition and understanding of what you have read if you don’t do just strictly the daily crossfit workout then your not doing crossfit?
Well by that standard I guess I’m not doing 5/3/1 since I’ve had to vary the workout due to my age and injury recovery. And I would say that there are a ton of people out there that really aren’t following any kind of program because they don’t follow it to the letter.
I have stated several times that the people I know participate in the daily workout they post for their clients, but they also add in a strength component. But hey they only own a successfull crossft gym and have trained with and learned from some of the top in the country so what would they know right?[/quote]
You just don’t get it do you? I NEVER said you had to follow the main page to be doing Crossfit.
Did you read the links I posted?
To be doing Crossfit, you must follow its prinicpals. This is MORE than just training to be able to produce a high power output “accross broad time and modal domains”.
If you are squatting every week (or every 10 days or whatever) you are not doing constantly varied exercises. Ditto for someone who follows a routine like Westside or 5/3/1.
Are you taking deloads? Doing regular long slow distance work? Then what you are doing isn’t high intensity.
I won’t touch “functional movement” since that could mean anything.
Perodization, peaking for an event etc. are all at odds with Crossfit’s stated philosophy.
If you are doing something that is directly contrary to a system’s philosophy, you are not doing the system. Drop one of the core lifts, or refuse to use the 90% rule and you aren’t doing 5/3/1.
Many affiliates don’t actually do Crossfit, even though they they are affiliated.[/quote]
Damn, so I guess according to this arguement I’m not a powerlifter since I don’t follow 5/3/1 top the letter, or a bodybuilder for that matter. Well hell what am I? Anyone? Especially since I improved my bench from 405-425, Dead 405-565, Squat 450-525 in a years time by reading, studying multiple programs and logs. Guess I better stop attending powerlifting events too.
Wow, I watched a young lady drop 20lbs in a month by following WOD, crossbrandX style, scaled workouts. I guess I better tell her that what she is doing is basically exercising and nothing more. Also, stop telling me she is doing crossfit since she isn’t following the principles to the letter. Man, she is really going to be dissappointed.
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[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
But I wouldn’t watch marathon runners run either. HEY, this is what I do for a living…ha ha hah.
Yeah, that is me on the bike pacing 2009 NYC marathon champ Meb Keflezighi ; )
sorry for the poor editing. Mebs wife actually put this together…[/quote]
I’m not knocking it, just saying it’s boring to watch and not my thing.
That’s the trouble with athletes in one sport being asked opinions about a sport on the other end of the spectrum. They’ll hate it. I myself think marathon running is stupid, just like my game programmer friend thinks lifting weights is stupid. Respect is given, but we can’t exactly give unbiased opinions. That being said I’ve seen the most ridiculous shit being performed in cross fit facilities… maybe it’s a good thing the iron game is (used to be?) esoteric.
Completely agree with you louieK, i was actually poking fun at myself ; ) What I have respect for are those people who will take the time to MASTER and push themselves to be the best possible in a given athletic endeavor.
that is why I see “crapfat” as the shit it is…it has NO discernable definition of “fitness”.
Back in the day I believe we simply called it “playing”. It is sad that mastery of athletics, intelligence, life
has gone by the wayside for a simpler and easier level of moderation…
Remember that “moderation is mediocrity” and please “excersize in extremity”
Why the thinly veiled sophomoric criticism of Crossfit? Oh, I know why: you either couldn’t do a tough WOD or if you could, it would take a sand dial to time you. Before you call BS, go to the CF Games site and read the Regional qualifying events. Next, take the top times of this weekend’s events, go do them, 2 each day for 3 straight days and then comment on it. At least have some experience with it…
[quote]Scipio wrote:
Why the thinly veiled sophomoric criticism of Crossfit? Oh, I know why: you either couldn’t do a tough WOD or if you could, it would take a sand dial to time you. Before you call BS, go to the CF Games site and read the Regional qualifying events. Next, take the top times of this weekend’s events, go do them, 2 each day for 3 straight days and then comment on it. At least have some experience with it…[/quote]
I’m not 10-years-old. Me not liking something has nothing to do with me being able to do it or not.
CrossFit produces amazing work capacity and conditioning. Unfortunately, just because someone can do a conditioning circuit faster than someone else doesn’t make them a superior athlete. It just makes them more conditioned. CrossFit does not produce elite athletes. On average, it produces highly conditioned individuals, and on the high end, with those who compete in the games, it produces highly conditioned gymnasts with intermediate strength levels. And of course on the low-end you have people performing shit like this: - YouTube
The difference between CrossFit and other sports is CrossFit is new. In powerlifting, olympic lifting, strongman, or any other strength sport, people who do things with poor form or have poor programming are laughed at and given a program to follow. In CrossFit, no one really knows what good programming is because programming doesn’t exist in the CrossFit model unless otherwise specified by “CrossFit powerlifting” or something like that.
Sport science is all over the “it’s hard so it must work” train of thought and has been for generations. It’s the ultimate beginner trap, nothing more.
I think alot of people are pretty ignorant to the strength levels of some of the CrossFit Games competitors. I am a former high school powerlifter and I own a CrossFit Gym. Our primary focus at my facility is strength. You should look at some of the workouts that are happening now in the CrossFit community, the weights are getting heavier as the athletes are getting stronger.
There is a reason that it is getting so popular fellas. Here is an example of a workout that I did at my facility a couple weeks ago: Goliath CrossFit workout in 6:42 - YouTube Yeah the weights are not huge, but the setting and intensity dictate the relativism of the word heavy.
[quote]Scipio wrote:
Why the thinly veiled sophomoric criticism of Crossfit? Oh, I know why: you either couldn’t do a tough WOD or if you could, it would take a sand dial to time you. Before you call BS, go to the CF Games site and read the Regional qualifying events. Next, take the top times of this weekend’s events, go do them, 2 each day for 3 straight days and then comment on it. At least have some experience with it…[/quote]
Oddly enough I went to the site last year (missed the registration) and decided to see how I’d do if I had done the qualifier on time. I managed to get 1st or 2nd in every event they had in my region. Those were my first time ever doing anything crossfit (though obviously I did get lucky and had done all the movements they had for last years regionals previously). If I did crossfit all the time I don’t think I’d have been able to do that.
[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
I think alot of people are pretty ignorant to the strength levels of some of the CrossFit Games competitors. I am a former high school powerlifter and I own a CrossFit Gym. Our primary focus at my facility is strength. You should look at some of the workouts that are happening now in the CrossFit community, the weights are getting heavier as the athletes are getting stronger.
There is a reason that it is getting so popular fellas. Here is an example of a workout that I did at my facility a couple weeks ago: Goliath CrossFit workout in 6:42 - YouTube Yeah the weights are not huge, but the setting and intensity dictate the relativism of the word heavy.[/quote]
I’d say you’re gym is more the exception than the rule. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad affiliates and the corporate side of Crossfit does more harm than good. Yes if you look at the top competitors most of them are coming from non-crossfit backgrounds, where strength was needed or specifically trained for. It’s good to see that some affiliates are focusing on strength production, but the majority simply don’t.
The first thing that every annoyed me about crossfit was when watching a series they have on crossfitHQ youtbue called ‘‘Killing the fat man’’ ep3. The fat guy said ‘I hope one day kids look up to people like jason kalipha and not mike tyson.’
Another thing that has been bothering me about the ignorance of CrossFit as a sport. It is a sport. I don’t know why some of you guys don’t get that. There are lot’s of movements under the umbrella of CrossFit as a sport, and those movements are tested in CrossFit competitions. It is stupid that some say that the top competitors don’t “do CrossFit” They work on on the powerlifting and weightlifting movements, basic gymnastics, calisthenics and running, all within the same program. That is diverse enough to cover all the bases for a CrossFit competition.
Here is the big question fellas. Do Strongmen only lift stones and logs? Or do they lift bars and use machines as well? Most only do the events once a week or so. Does that mean they don’t “train Strongman” Do powerlifters only squat bench and dead? Does that mean they don’t even train for the sport they compete in? See where I am going with this? It is easy to put down shit you can’t do. It even easier to put down shit you don’t have the guts to try doing.
CrossFit is done wrong all the time, but so is every other strength sport. If someone is doing a shitty deadlift and wearing a CrossFit shirt, that makes the whole sport stupid and dangerous? My mom is a shitty driver, does that mean Nascar is Stupid? (maybe a bad example) The generalizations are always from people who have never tried it.
The top CrossFit atheletes are incredible. Way past the physical capacity of most people on T-Nation. If you can snatch 300+ lbs and still run a 6 minute mile you are an AWESOME athelete.
So here is your rebuttal: Most CrossFit athletes were great athletes before CrossFit. Wow really. Really? No kidding. How about you suck on this: How many powerlifters, weightlifters, strongmen are former high school and coleigate atheletes? How about Pat Mendes? What did he do before Weightlifting? Football. Big surprise. How about the Cal Strength guys, how about the big boys on this forum? Anyone play someting else before your chosen sport right now? I started with powerlifting myself. How come I did not start with CrossFit? Because it did not get popular until 5 years ago!!!
More like forging dipshits. Who should be thrown back in the forge.[/quote]
lololololol.
as for why crossfit is bad, the idea of it isnt. its just circuit training. but their coaches arent qualified at all (most of them anyways), so nobody there has correct form. which makes it dangerous. there is the occasional good crossfit gym with good coaches im sure. but to be a crossfit instructor or whatever, you pay 1500 bucks and go to a one day course and take an open book test (im fairly sure). anyone can do it. which means you could go to www.bodybuilding.com , go to their teen bodybuilding section, give 5 random curl monkeys 1500 bucks and make them go take the class, and you’ve got 5 new crossfit coaches. do you want them in charge of your workouts? cause thats what happens basically. but, mark rippetoe is a crossfit instructor. i sure as heck wouldnt mind training at that crossfit gym. probably full of pro’s. 99% idiots, 1% pro. just like the rest of the world.
I’m so inspired that I’m going to open my own crossfit gym so I can have attractive women pay me to show them how to perform goofy (sometines dangerous) exersizes that I make up while I stare at their asses.
More like forging dipshits. Who should be thrown back in the forge.[/quote]
lololololol.
as for why crossfit is bad, the idea of it isnt. its just circuit training. but their coaches arent qualified at all (most of them anyways), so nobody there has correct form. which makes it dangerous. there is the occasional good crossfit gym with good coaches im sure. but to be a crossfit instructor or whatever, you pay 1500 bucks and go to a one day course and take an open book test (im fairly sure). anyone can do it. which means you could go to www.bodybuilding.com , go to their teen bodybuilding section, give 5 random curl monkeys 1500 bucks and make them go take the class, and you’ve got 5 new crossfit coaches. do you want them in charge of your workouts? cause thats what happens basically. but, mark rippetoe is a crossfit instructor. i sure as heck wouldnt mind training at that crossfit gym. probably full of pro’s. 99% idiots, 1% pro. just like the rest of the world.[/quote]
You can say this because you have been to most of the CrossFit gyms out there obviously. I mean I can’t imagine someone generalizing so much unless they have at least experienced what they are putting down.
Here is where you are wrong: the cert cost’s 1000 not 1500, the test is not open book, infact alot of people fail, Mark Rippetoe is not affiliated with CrossFit at all anymore, I know Mark personally and have been to his gym plenty of times. His gym is full of normal people and a couple good athletes. It is kind of like the CrossFit gym that I own, Full of normal people and a couple good athletes, come to think of it that is what most gyms are like, probably yours too. Obviously you are one of the pro’s since you know so much about this stuff.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
please show us the VIDEO of a 300 plus pound snatch followed by a six minute mile, pretty please , with sugar (ha hah) on top ?!?[/quote]
