[quote]OBoile wrote:
…plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word…
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that is a stupid word… is it like a metcon?
This thread is hilarious. I especially loved the guy overhead squatting on the tire. It would only be better if there was a video of him failing.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
…plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word…
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that is a stupid word… is it like a metcon?[/quote]
Why yes… yes it is. You win this round gregron.
gregron
you ever win anything other than a spelling bee? ever win any sports compititions??
lol!!!
just kidding brother…
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]redrum wrote:
Your physical assessments are fair, but they only apply to those who embrace crossfit as their sole training platform. I would argue that if used wisely, crossfit can yield positive results for strength and “conditioning” (the title of this forum).
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I agree with the above. If you look at the program as a whole, some workouts look like circuit training, but the whole program involves more than that. And each affiliate puts its own spin on things, which is good. For instance, my Olympic weightlifting club is based at a CF gym because the own is very big on the Olympic lifts and building strength in general. He’s even posted on his WOD blog that if you want to get better at Crossfit (yes, they do have their own competitions) you should gain a solid base of strength. That’s a lot different than the typical CF mantra of just do CF and get great at everything.
CF is popular among the military and I can see why. Most military tasks, and I would argue that mosts tasks involving life in general, don’t require the endurance of a marathoner or the strength of a power lifter. They require some of both. And CF tries to do that. It does a decent job overall. Could it be better? Sure, and a smart CF trainer (I know there aren’t that many but there are a few) will figure out a way to make it better, whether it’s bringing up strength or endurance.
I’ve done CF WODs. They are challenging. No, they are not my only workout program, but a good add on to existing workouts.[/quote]
THIS
Mike, you need to start your own blog, I would read it.
I am, for those who do not know, a former college shot-put and hammer thrower, A-class highland games thrower, competitive Olympic lifter and Powerlifter.
I also trained at a crossfitt for a year or so. here is my log from those days:
this is a log of my “tweaked” crossfit training. I felt they neglected max strength too much, and at 5’ 6" and over 250lbs, all the running and body weight stuff was much tougher on me than on the “skinny guys” but I enjoyed my training with Robb Wolfe training me.
“everything works, nothing works forever” : somebody smarter than me
[quote]milktruck wrote:
also thrilled I could finally have access to a prowler and tire[/quote]
if you are ever in northern cali, I train with me in my garage, I have both a prowler, tire, and med balls up to 100lbs.
funny, how some people who bitch about not having access to very important and useful equipent that, if they are serious about improving their physical abilities) say is cost restrictive,
these same people have a 5000$ jet ski in there garage, a 1500$ 60" plasma TV, a 200$ month cable TV subscription and a 50-100$/ month gym membership.
My prowler cost 400$
my ghr cost 700$
my bumper plates and olympic quality barbell cost about 2000$
do the math.
BTW, this is NOT a personal attack on you BTW, if the shoe does not fit, do not wear it.
I apologize in advance if it seemed like such( a personal attack)
michael
[quote]OBoile wrote:
Once again: just because someone does a “WOD” does NOT mean they are doing crossfit. Those workouts existed before Crossfit did and are not exclusive to Crossfit. This should be obvious.
All people who do Crossfit are training to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” but not all people who train to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” are doing Crossfit.
If you are doing any kind of perodization: you’re not doing Crossfit. If you are not constantly varying your exercises, you are not doing Crossfit (this applies to MANY Crossfit affiliates). If you are following a routine (something like 5/3/1 plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word) then you are NOT doing Crossfit. If you are intentionally scheduling low intensity exercise either as a deload or to develop specific aerobic qualities, then you are not doing Crossfit.
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So by your definition and understanding of what you have read if you don’t do just strictly the daily crossfit workout then your not doing crossfit?
Well by that standard I guess I’m not doing 5/3/1 since I’ve had to vary the workout due to my age and injury recovery. And I would say that there are a ton of people out there that really aren’t following any kind of program because they don’t follow it to the letter.
I have stated several times that the people I know participate in the daily workout they post for their clients, but they also add in a strength component. But hey they only own a successfull crossft gym and have trained with and learned from some of the top in the country so what would they know right?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
Once again: just because someone does a “WOD” does NOT mean they are doing crossfit. Those workouts existed before Crossfit did and are not exclusive to Crossfit. This should be obvious.
All people who do Crossfit are training to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” but not all people who train to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” are doing Crossfit.
If you are doing any kind of perodization: you’re not doing Crossfit. If you are not constantly varying your exercises, you are not doing Crossfit (this applies to MANY Crossfit affiliates). If you are following a routine (something like 5/3/1 plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word) then you are NOT doing Crossfit. If you are intentionally scheduling low intensity exercise either as a deload or to develop specific aerobic qualities, then you are not doing Crossfit.
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So by your definition and understanding of what you have read if you don’t do just strictly the daily crossfit workout then your not doing crossfit?
Well by that standard I guess I’m not doing 5/3/1 since I’ve had to vary the workout due to my age and injury recovery. And I would say that there are a ton of people out there that really aren’t following any kind of program because they don’t follow it to the letter.
I have stated several times that the people I know participate in the daily workout they post for their clients, but they also add in a strength component. But hey they only own a successfull crossft gym and have trained with and learned from some of the top in the country so what would they know right?[/quote]
You just don’t get it do you? I NEVER said you had to follow the main page to be doing Crossfit.
Did you read the links I posted?
To be doing Crossfit, you must follow its prinicpals. This is MORE than just training to be able to produce a high power output “accross broad time and modal domains”.
[quote]constantly varied, highintensity,
functional movement. [/quote]
If you are squatting every week (or every 10 days or whatever) you are not doing constantly varied exercises. Ditto for someone who follows a routine like Westside or 5/3/1.
Are you taking deloads? Doing regular long slow distance work? Then what you are doing isn’t high intensity.
I won’t touch “functional movement” since that could mean anything.
Perodization, peaking for an event etc. are all at odds with Crossfit’s stated philosophy.
If you are doing something that is directly contrary to a system’s philosophy, you are not doing the system. Drop one of the core lifts, or refuse to use the 90% rule and you aren’t doing 5/3/1.
Many affiliates don’t actually do Crossfit, even though they they are affiliated.
^ I think crossfit can be different things to different people.
Some people just do wod’s to increase general fitness, it gives them the tools lose some fat and live a healthier life style. It?s varied and they learn and try things they never would in the local leisure centre.
Some people understand that to get better at wod’s they need to practice those skills, increase metabolic conditioning and get stronger. Wod’s generally take care of the first two with the skill practice before workout then strength training is needed outside of this. Is the strength training called crossfit? No, its strength training, so now your training to help do crossfit wod’s.
I think the brand of crossfit gets tagged with similar types of training even if its not crossfit, e.g here in Oz if I want a cooler bin to put ice and beer in just about everyone would go into the shop and ask for an Esky. An Esky is a brand of cooler bin (fuck cooler bin sounds weird we just call it an Esky)
Does the bodybuilder who does not train legs and looks funny cause his legs are skinny is he a body builder?
The people who say they eat 90% paleo are they on the paleo diet?
It doesn’t matter really.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]OBoile wrote:
Once again: just because someone does a “WOD” does NOT mean they are doing crossfit. Those workouts existed before Crossfit did and are not exclusive to Crossfit. This should be obvious.
All people who do Crossfit are training to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” but not all people who train to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” are doing Crossfit.
If you are doing any kind of perodization: you’re not doing Crossfit. If you are not constantly varying your exercises, you are not doing Crossfit (this applies to MANY Crossfit affiliates). If you are following a routine (something like 5/3/1 plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word) then you are NOT doing Crossfit. If you are intentionally scheduling low intensity exercise either as a deload or to develop specific aerobic qualities, then you are not doing Crossfit.
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So by your definition and understanding of what you have read if you don’t do just strictly the daily crossfit workout then your not doing crossfit?
Well by that standard I guess I’m not doing 5/3/1 since I’ve had to vary the workout due to my age and injury recovery. And I would say that there are a ton of people out there that really aren’t following any kind of program because they don’t follow it to the letter.
I have stated several times that the people I know participate in the daily workout they post for their clients, but they also add in a strength component. But hey they only own a successfull crossft gym and have trained with and learned from some of the top in the country so what would they know right?[/quote]
You just don’t get it do you? I NEVER said you had to follow the main page to be doing Crossfit.
Did you read the links I posted?
To be doing Crossfit, you must follow its prinicpals. This is MORE than just training to be able to produce a high power output “accross broad time and modal domains”.
[quote]constantly varied, highintensity,
functional movement. [/quote]
If you are squatting every week (or every 10 days or whatever) you are not doing constantly varied exercises. Ditto for someone who follows a routine like Westside or 5/3/1.
Are you taking deloads? Doing regular long slow distance work? Then what you are doing isn’t high intensity.
I won’t touch “functional movement” since that could mean anything.
Perodization, peaking for an event etc. are all at odds with Crossfit’s stated philosophy.
If you are doing something that is directly contrary to a system’s philosophy, you are not doing the system. Drop one of the core lifts, or refuse to use the 90% rule and you aren’t doing 5/3/1.
Many affiliates don’t actually do Crossfit, even though they they are affiliated.[/quote]
Damn, so I guess according to this arguement I’m not a powerlifter since I don’t follow 5/3/1 top the letter, or a bodybuilder for that matter. Well hell what am I? Anyone? Especially since I improved my bench from 405-425, Dead 405-565, Squat 450-525 in a years time by reading, studying multiple programs and logs. Guess I better stop attending powerlifting events too.
Wow, I watched a young lady drop 20lbs in a month by following WOD, crossbrandX style, scaled workouts. I guess I better tell her that what she is doing is basically exercising and nothing more. Also, stop telling me she is doing crossfit since she isn’t following the principles to the letter. Man, she is really going to be dissappointed.
CrossFit NEVER claimed to get anyone to elite level at anything but general across-the-board fitness. It won’t get someone to a 700 pound deadlift or a blinding-fast 5K. Founder Glassman has explicitly said as much numerous times. But it can get someone to a RESPECTABLE level at both challenges–and more.
CrossFit’s strength is its lack of specialization: it improves your adaptability and your GPP without overtaxing any single metabolic pathway or group of muscles. But for someone who wants to excel in one activity–a specialist–that’s also its weakness.
It’s worth noting that the vast majority of people aren’t in fact seeking huge muscles, elite-level powerlifting totals, OR fast marathon times. They want to be generally fit. And for them, it works great–a thousand times better than the machine- and treadmill-based workouts that most people do at corporate gyms.
I’m not really for what CrossFit represents, but we’ve already framed this discussion at the level of conditioning – not marketing.
For someone who owns a CF gym, they may be able to do some strength work in the morning and then the WOD later in the day. These gyms also tend to have a decent array of conditioning equipment.
Pros of crossfit:
-Be well conditioned
-Access to a certain type of community
-Opportunities to learn many skills
-Many training apparatus
Cons:
-Instructor quality varies
-Expensive
-Potentially dangerous
-Lack of short and long term goals (periodization)
In reality, CF has already arrived. And it means different things to different people. The main consistencies are circuit training, posted scores, and paying dues to CF HQ.
[quote]viper0213 wrote:
Damn, so I guess according to this arguement I’m not a powerlifter since I don’t follow 5/3/1 top the letter, or a bodybuilder for that matter. Well hell what am I? Anyone? Especially since I improved my bench from 405-425, Dead 405-565, Squat 450-525 in a years time by reading, studying multiple programs and logs. Guess I better stop attending powerlifting events too. [/quote]
No, you’re just not doing 5/3/1. No one said that powerlifting is 5/3/1. There are many different powerlifting programs and systems.
Scaling down is part of Crossfit’s philosophy. So she is doing Crosshit, which is exercising and nothing more. But why would she be disappointed?
[quote]dynamicfitness wrote:
CrossFit NEVER claimed to get anyone to elite level at anything but general across-the-board fitness. It won’t get someone to a 700 pound deadlift or a blinding-fast 5K. Founder Glassman has explicitly said as much numerous times. But it can get someone to a RESPECTABLE level at both challenges–and more.
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Actually, Glassman has claimed that doing just the WOD, and pulling heavy 3-4 times per year will get you to a 500-750 lb. deadlift
Even if you’re not after a specific goal, you’re still better off focusing on 1-2 qualities at a time, and rotating them in blocks. This doesn’t mean if your focus is strength you can’t do any Met-Con, just that trying to get good at everything at once only makes you mediocre at everything and good at nothing. Also, focusing on strength is almost always a good idea, because strength has a carry over effect to so many different qualities.
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It’s worth noting that the vast majority of people aren’t in fact seeking huge muscles, elite-level powerlifting totals, OR fast marathon times. They want to be generally fit. And for them, it works great–a thousand times better than the machine- and treadmill-based workouts that most people do at corporate gyms. [/quote]
I’ll give you this one, with one qualifier:
High-rep weightlifting (O-lifting) is retarded.
I think it is a massive joke. It’s just like diet pills.
Paying a load of money to be in an optimum environment to achieve sub maximal strength or conditioning seems like a bit of a cop out to me.
Then again, I think the whole concept of ‘conditioning’ is incredibly stupid.
If you want to be fit do something competitive or interesting. Why not go hiking regularly, or kayaking, or play a team sport, or run or cycle races - something that are measurable and that has an actual purpose.
‘Conditioning’ yourself ‘in case’ you ever want to plod round a 5k, pretend to row away from some angry swans on an erg 2, throw a zombie in the air in a snatch esque way or show bulimics you can make yourself puke AND do something that get you fitter just shoots away from everything good about training.
Trocchi…laughing out loud. Thank you so much for condensing how I too feel about CrapFat shit.
I’d just like to add that whatever the benefits of CrossFit, I always laugh when I see the games. To me, it just looks like a bunch of athletic-looking individuals pushing mediocre weights for long periods of time, repeatedly. The reason I watch sports (or whatever it’s called) is to see top athletes wrecking shit. With the games, it’s just like an endurance/skill competition. Not to say that I could do what they do, of course. But I wouldn’t watch marathon runners run either.
Circuit training with a new name = Crossfit = new stream of revenue for gyms
Think about it this way your new to fitness and you want to do something fun and new what sells memberships faster
Come on in for circuit training or interval training $30 a month
Or Shed & shred, X-camp, boot camp, cross fit blast fat and gain muscle!!! whatever its just marketing so who gives a fuck
Circuit training can be fun but it has its place in a balanced routine… I wouldnt pay a bunch of money for it any dumbass can create a WOD
But I wouldn’t watch marathon runners run either. HEY, this is what I do for a living…ha ha hah.
Yeah, that is me on the bike pacing 2009 NYC marathon champ Meb Keflezighi ; )
sorry for the poor editing. Mebs wife actually put this together…
If it werent for the moderately attractive women, crossfit wouldnt receive any more attention than a typical gym blooper vid and no straight man would ever even think about participating in that shit.