I think the problem with Crossfit is the cost. I don’t know if this is just by me but it costs something like $80 to ‘learn the techniques’ or $40 to ‘test out’ and then the monthly starts around $120/mo
My gym which is a powerlifting gym and also has sled, sledgehammer and tire costs me $25/mo. I could keep my gym membership and signup for some dedicated training place whether it be MMA, Jiujitsu, Kickboxing, Rockclimbing, Yoga whatever for less than that. Shoot if cycling is you’re thing you could save that $1,440 /yr and invest it towards a good bicycle and then just join a cycling group either through your local bike store or meetup.com
I think people need to differentiate.
“CrossFit” for me is just a term for the whole movement. Individual CrossFit affiliates often have their own programming that involves strength components as well as some metabolic conditioning.
Just to do some sort of “for time” circuits 5 days a week will not make you strong, sure. I did militaryathlete a while back and it’s essentially CrossFit style training, and it worked well for me. Might not work well for others. We all know strength training has some foundations, but it’s also a very individual thing. What works for me might not work for you.
For example: Someone said they thought it didnt work well for fat loss. For me it did, I was never leaner than when implementing CrossFit style workouts into my training.
What I do agree with is that doing olympic lifts, or in the example above power cleans, for 45 reps (21+15+9) with good form is nigh impossible (unless of course you have years and years of experience which, lets face it, most people just dont).
For the record: I think all the puking clown, unfuckwithable, etc is complete bullshit.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
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One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
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One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
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One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.[/quote]I’ve noticed that many Elite level CFers or at least the ones who are featured, already had an athletics background before they started CF. I’m basing my opinion on their profiles.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
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One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.[/quote]I’ve noticed that many Elite level CFers or at least the ones who are featured, already had an athletics background before they started CF. I’m basing my opinion on their profiles.
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the top guys dont just go to their local affiliate every day and do the prescribed WOD as their complete training routine (which is what most “crossfitters” do)
Most of the top guys have trainers/S&C coaches who have them on a program. They’ll do the metcons for conditioning or whatever but they’re not going in, hitting the WOD and then going home and calling it a day. They’re regimens are more akin to a professional athlete.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
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One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.[/quote]I’ve noticed that many Elite level CFers or at least the ones who are featured, already had an athletics background before they started CF. I’m basing my opinion on their profiles.
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the top guys dont just go to their local affiliate every day and do the prescribed WOD as their complete training routine (which is what most “crossfitters” do)
Most of the top guys have trainers/S&C coaches who have them on a program. They’ll do the metcons for conditioning or whatever but they’re not going in, hitting the WOD and then going home and calling it a day. They’re regimens are more akin to a professional athlete.[/quote]
Exactly. It isn’t constantly varied/random like crossfit claims to be. Same goal, different methodology.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
[/quote]
One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.[/quote]
Well we all know how accurate message boards can be LOL.
Just like any athlete at the top level they aren’t going to workout like joe blow off the street.
Several either own their own gym or are part owners, so the local affiliate would be theirs.
Having had conversations with one of the top competitors, they stated they still do some kind of a daily WOD. It may not be the same their clientel (SP) is doing for the day but they are doing one just the same.
But one of the things about this board is that most members do not like CF or care for those that have taken in the “kool-aid” so to each his own. But some of these guys and girls are pretty good specimens for physical developement.
crossfits top guys are fit, built, and agile… like a gymnast.
bodybuilders top guys are built but move like a statue…
just my opinion…
[/quote]
One thing to note: most, if not all, of the top crossfit guys (at least at the crossfit games) don’t actually do crossfit.[/quote]
And this is based on?[/quote]
Reading how they train and the crossfit.com message boards.[/quote]
Well we all know how accurate message boards can be LOL.
Just like any athlete at the top level they aren’t going to workout like joe blow off the street.
Several either own their own gym or are part owners, so the local affiliate would be theirs.
Having had conversations with one of the top competitors, they stated they still do some kind of a daily WOD. It may not be the same their clientel (SP) is doing for the day but they are doing one just the same.
But one of the things about this board is that most members do not like CF or care for those that have taken in the “kool-aid” so to each his own. But some of these guys and girls are pretty good specimens for physical developement.[/quote]
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.[/quote]
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.[/quote]
That’s great.
What exactly is your point?[/quote]
I believe I already made it, no need to elaborate.
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.[/quote]
That’s great.
What exactly is your point?[/quote]
I believe I already made it, no need to elaborate.[/quote]
Please elaborate. I’d love to know what it (your point) is.
I invented crossfit . Of course I just called it bring active . Get up and mow a two acre lawn. Then I’d go lift( powerlit) . A few hours later I would play basketball or street hockey. And I stretched every day.
Jim Thorpe did this thing they call the decathlon . Wrestlers do this thing called wrestling training. And football players lift, run hills
, push sleds etc.
Sounds like adult daycare to me. Buy a prowler, a Mt bike, done running shoes and get a lifting gym membership and have at it.
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.[/quote]
That’s great.
What exactly is your point?[/quote]
I believe I already made it, no need to elaborate.[/quote]
Please elaborate. I’d love to know what it (your point) is.[/quote]
That just like you everybody caters their training to the specific need.
And it would be stupid for a competitor who is going to be doing a series of these workouts to not include them in their training.
Also having known some of these competitors and seen how he and she train, I know they include a daily WOD. So does that make my point?
Doing “some kind of a daily WOD” does NOT mean you are doing crossfit. I would have thought this should be obvious.[/quote]
You do realize that a lot of the people that go into the affiliates have the workouts “scaled” ot their level right? Some do more, some do lower weights.
Not every local does the WOD directly off the main webisite.[/quote]
That’s great.
What exactly is your point?[/quote]
I believe I already made it, no need to elaborate.[/quote]
Please elaborate. I’d love to know what it (your point) is.[/quote]
That just like you everybody caters their training to the specific need.
And it would be stupid for a competitor who is going to be doing a series of these workouts to not include them in their training.
Also having known some of these competitors and seen how he and she train, I know they include a daily WOD. So does that make my point? :)[/quote]
Once again: just because someone does a “WOD” does NOT mean they are doing crossfit. Those workouts existed before Crossfit did and are not exclusive to Crossfit. This should be obvious.
All people who do Crossfit are training to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” but not all people who train to be successful “accross broad time and modal domains” are doing Crossfit.
If you are doing any kind of perodization: you’re not doing Crossfit. If you are not constantly varying your exercises, you are not doing Crossfit (this applies to MANY Crossfit affiliates). If you are following a routine (something like 5/3/1 plus “mentcon” - what a stupid word) then you are NOT doing Crossfit. If you are intentionally scheduling low intensity exercise either as a deload or to develop specific aerobic qualities, then you are not doing Crossfit.
Now I do use the workouts (occasionally) as a conditioning finisher. Many Marines I know who drank the kool-aide are starting to switch away, or periodize their training. Now you’ll always have the new guy who are attracted by the effective marketing. Here are a few points I would like to argue against crossfit (or rather balance their marketing campaign with).
Crossfit being supreme for military guys:
a)This is a serious problem because many military servicemen are hurt, or at least contraindicated for majority of lifts. Often times they cannot perform proper overhead presses due to a combination of insufficient mobility and poor shoulder strength/balance.
b)It is a lie that in the military that “you need to train for anything at anytime because combat is like that”. Most military personnel do not deploy without at least weeks of workups. In addition, based upon your role in the military, you do know the physical demands of you. Going to Afghanistan, I would be load bearing multiple times a day at incredibly slow pace, periodically punctuated by activity of high intensity bursts. I may have to physically restrain a person long enough for a fellow Marine to shoot him in hand to hand combat.
Looking at the list you can begin to set up training to boost performance in those three major physical stressors.
c) Units are beginning to create unit gyms that are crossfit only, placing a seal of endorsement by commanding officers and his staff. This turns something from a individual decision to commanders intent, which will be carried out by his subordinates.
Poor instruction/Mass use of difficult exercise:
a) Many military personnel possess insufficient mobility and strength to do proper cleans and presses. I wont delve into the snatch because I am very bad at the skill. Due to this, often times you see poor “catching” of the clean or push press, where a person’s body is moving at angles that create sheering forces on the body. This creates unnecessary stress on an already stressed body from labor and military training.
b) Many individuals possess poor core strength to handle repeated bouts of training, let alone sprinting. Crossfit is very intense but the intensity can be very poorly applied.
Lack of a preparatory phase:
a) Because of the poor postural strength and and insufficient mobility, proper preparatory phase should be implemented to prevent injury allow for rapid acclimation to the crossfit workouts.
Solutions:
I use to tell people not to do crossfit. I have realized that people will crossfit regardless of what you say. Now if a Marine approached me about learning crossfit I will teach him/her how to perform the lifts correctly. In addition, I give them preparatory phase where there is a heavy emphasis on core training and loaded carries. In addition, unilateral work is also emphasized.
I think, for those of you who are in-charge of implementing or coaching crossfit, people should be tested for core strength and mobility prior to training, as well as loaded carries be part of regular programming.
