[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
They are kind of large and they were using 70kg DB’s
Nearly 155lbs dumbbells on a swissball? Bullshit.
They are big boys with well over 400lb benches. My memory may be on 90% accurate but I know that it was definetly 65kg or over.[/quote]
Bullshit. That would have to be some kind of record. Someone capable of doing that much on a swissball would be able to move MUCH more doing the exercise normally.
A 400lbs benchpress does not translate over to being able to do the same in dumbbells. Anyone with any experience beyond a swissball would know this. That is why many trainers avoid dumbbells because they are suddenly doing less perceived weight than they would with a barbell.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yeah, the problem with that is many of the guys rushing to jump behind the concept of “functional training” are also using it as an excuse as to why they don’t look like they lift and aren’t really making that much physical progress.
Possibly true for the other side too. Bodybuilders jump on functional trainers because they get pissed that skinny fuckers are calling their bluff to prove they are all show and no go![/quote]
[quote]Kratos wrote:
You have a point there. Some guys are all fluff. But I think there are more skinny dudes trumpeting “pound-for-pound,” and “functionality.”
I hear things like this all the time,“So&So benches 500!” Yeah, but he weighs 325! I bench 315 and I only weigh 175! That’s almost double my weight.
That’s great, but the 300-pounder is still bigger and stronger.
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True. I think that you guys are right about the functional trainers compensating for their lack of size. In reality, who would want to have a 500 bench but look like Steve Erkel. I’d rather have a 500 bench and look like Terrel Owens.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. That would have to be some kind of record. Someone capable of doing that much on a swissball would be able to move MUCH more doing the exercise normally.
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[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Second. Balance becomes more and more of an issue as the weight goes up. A slight wobble with 45 lbs. becomes a soft tissue injury with 105 or so.
I don’t know you Spartacus, but I’ll tip they are more finely tuned athletes than yourself and they will be capable of a little more than yourself.
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Whatever. I can bench 315, and I still wouldn’t use heavy DB’s on a ball. It’s not worth the risk. It doesn’t matter how big you are. Loss of balance is loss of balance. And like Prof.X said, 400 lb bench doesn’t necessarily translate into heavy DB’s. They are different lifts.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
If memory serves me well, I distinctly remember on a sporting tour of Australia we were lucky enough to visit the Victorian Institute of Sport where I witnessed something so crazy you would not believe. The Melbourne Storm Rugby League players were doing DB chest press on the Swiss Ball. (They are kind of large and they were using 70kg DB’s)
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I think you need to be a paid up Chek Practitioner or, wait for it…
Golf Biomechanist.
Seriously, the guy is a fraud. He picks the ultimate rich boy sport and starts making out he’ll improve your swing. All the old cunts with money line up in their hundreds.
Also the wanker has a snow sports conditioning program. Golf and Snow Sports. How transparent can you get?
[quote]Kratos wrote:
Whatever. I can bench 315, and I still wouldn’t use heavy DB’s on a ball. It’s not worth the risk. It doesn’t matter how big you are. Loss of balance is loss of balance. And like Prof.X said, 400 lb bench doesn’t necessarily translate into heavy DB’s. They are different lifts.[/quote]
Well over a 400 bench.
What are you worried about? It popping or losing balance. There is such thing as a spotter for balance.
What are you worried about? It popping or losing balance. There is such thing as a spotter for balance.
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Gravity is gravity. A 100+ DB swinging around isn’t good in any case. On a ball I wouldn’t trust a spotter too much, there are a lot of ways for both of us to get hurt. I do use the ball, though, but I use it for my ab and core exercises. Most gyms don’t have 800lb. rated balls around here. I doubt commercial gyms would spend that sort of money. I also don’t see what benefits it would have over DB presses on a bench.
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
PGJ wrote:
swiss ball + light weight = new fitness fad pushed by trainers so that people can avoid lifting heavy weights.
swiss ball + heavy weight = accident waiting to happen.
Swiss Ball + pgj = around the same iq points
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What’s with your love affair with balls? Come on, now you are gettiing offended by people who don’t like them. I have persona;;y never seen anyone use a ball with any more than a 35lb db. It’s not for me. I’ll stick with a nice, stable bench and not obsess so much about the tiny “stabilizer” muscles.
most important sentence - he does not understand it. ok lets go over it, how many Coaches - only the top ones!!! - use the bench in the off-season, or even in-season??? european coaches, they are the best, everybody stole their ideas and methods, do not use bench-press at all, accept the dumbass bodybuilders, but different story. let’s go back to the top coaches from the western hemisphere
poliquin - flat bench?? he will punch you in the face
loui simmons - flat bench?? same as poliquin
defranco - flat bench. maybe 225 for reps, but he hates his athletes doing them - endurance crap that nobody needs. normal bench?? - he will laugh at you
What is the opposite of “functional”? Non-functional, right? The guys who are working “functional” exercises are using less weight across the board. Does this imply that guys who lift big and screw the functional thing are non-functional? Does Prof X sit around his house wishing he could open the door or carry his groceries because his muscles have become non-functional? How can he type so much if his muscles haven’t been functionally trained on a swiss ball?
How about Magnus Ver Magnuson or Mario P. or any of the other WSM contestants. I bet they use a swiss ball all the time…we’ll they must because how else can they be so functional?
Functional is stupid. There is no such thing as muscle-bound. I think that’s the root of the problem. Many people still think big muscles are inflexible, so enterprising trainers capitalize on this by advertising “functional training”. The great thing about this is that you don’t have to lift heavy (that would be bad for some reason) and your everyday couch-potato likes that idea.
that is fucking bullshit, you talking about bullshit and you do not have any idea yourself . ok let’s go with a great example, Charles Poliquin. he helped cathy millen to a bench of 407.5 at a bodyweight of 185 pounds. how did he achieve it?? 18 weeks without touching a barbell, he used mainly DUMBBELLS
[quote]GermanPower wrote:
that is fucking bullshit, you talking about bullshit and you do not have any idea yourself . ok let’s go with a great example, Charles Poliquin. he helped cathy millen to a bench of 407.5 at a bodyweight of 185 pounds. how did he achieve it?? 18 weeks without touching a barbell, he used mainly DUMBBELLS
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What post are you responding to? You need to hit the quote button instead of the reply.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
slotan wrote:
Still, it seems to me this is a typical case of little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
It is also a case of, “Well said it!”
I want to see someone press 150lbs dumbbells on a swiss ball.
I want someone to show me how this term “functional” first began to be used by any personal trainer trying to sell something. It has gotten out of hand.
So, people who are extremely muscular and have no significant shoulder injuries all must have used swiss balls?[/quote]
there is alot of that around here X, it gets old really, but guys like us that have done this crap for 20 years at least get a good laugh. … I am an expert because, well, because i said so and look 20 nameless internet posters say i am great too so it must be true. As for Paul Chek like most he has some good ideas and some bad ideas, i agree teh swiss ball dumbell press can be a nice rehab exercise but give it a go with the 150’s and let me know how it works out.
[quote]GermanPower wrote:
most important sentence - he does not understand it. ok lets go over it, how many Coaches - only the top ones!!! - use the bench in the off-season, or even in-season??? european coaches, they are the best, everybody stole their ideas and methods, do not use bench-press at all, accept the dumbass bodybuilders, but different story. let’s go back to the top coaches from the western hemisphere
poliquin - flat bench?? he will punch you in the face
loui simmons - flat bench?? same as poliquin
defranco - flat bench. maybe 225 for reps, but he hates his athletes doing them - endurance crap that nobody needs. normal bench?? - he will laugh at you
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Whoa, you are saying Louie does not do any flat benching at Westside? Do you actually know any of these guys? What apparatus do you think they perform board presses on? What about max effort bench day? Bro they are on the flat bench ALOT!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There are many who find the focus on all of these “problems” your body supposedly has to be overstated. It helps sell a program though. If there are major structural issues, then by all means, focus on that. However, why is it all of a sudden nearly every human being on the planet has some major structural issue that needs to be taken care of before they start training? Have some of you truly begun to believe that this is “normal”?[/quote]
No, but people like the fact that they have “problems” as it enables them to go to the gym (therefore avoiding the feeling of guilt and enabling them to say “I go to the gym”) and not have to work too hard. It allows them to go to the gym 3 times a week, pick up pink dumbells, do some barbell swiss ball presses and the guilt disappears without even breaking a sweat. That’s how the trainers make money.
People need to actually start putting some hard work into it, but if that were the only option, then I would actually be able to bench on a monday!
Note: Let’s not call it a bench press as that involves a bench. Let’s call it a swiss ball press…