[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
By what post was this a fine thread?[/quote]
The first one! And if you don’t think so, don’t post your bullshit on it!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
This thread is a clusterfuck from the first post.
He came here insulting and trolling from the first.[/quote]
Don’t you tell me what my intentions are. You don’t have a clue. All I did was post some usefull information and encourage a little debate.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
I have to admit, CHEKonIT has done pretty well for a troll. 500 replies and not a single picture.
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I AM NOT A FUCKING TROLL!
Is this a board for the enlightened or not?
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
I have to admit, CHEKonIT has done pretty well for a troll. 500 replies and not a single picture.
I AM NOT A FUCKING TROLL!
Is this a board for the enlightened or not?[/quote]
Fess up. I can live with my troll status. Nobody comes onto T-Nation and bases their name on Paul Chek.
It was a good post though. You were hostile and provocative from the word go. I love it.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Fess up. I can live with my troll status. Nobody comes onto T-Nation and bases their name on Paul Chek.
It was a good post though. You were hostile and provocative from the word go. I love it.[/quote]
Are you calling me a troll just to piss me off? That would be quite natural to you considering you’re admittedly a troll.
I based my name on Paul Chek because I admire his work ethic and love for our field.
If I was provocative, it’s because I don’t mind provoking enlightened thought and discussion. If I was hostile, it’s because I knew I’d have to deal with those mentally-unsophisticated like yourself.
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Are you calling me a troll just to piss me off? That would be quite natural to you considering you’re admittedly a troll.
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No. I am calling you a troll because of the way you actually started this thread. Calling the average T-Nation user a knucklehead’s and so on was provocative.
He isn’t liked here so I took that as a ploy to piss the members off.
You don’t want to start this. You will enter a world of keyboard pain.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
No. I am calling you a troll because of the way you actually started this thread. Calling the average T-Nation user a knucklehead’s and so on was provocative.
No one said that the average user was a knucklehead, the most that can be pulled from what I said is that there are some out there. Are you disputing that? Why don’t you take your own advice and read before posting?
He isn’t liked here so I took that as a ploy to piss the members off.
I couldn’t care less.
You don’t want to start this. You will enter a world of keyboard pain.
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Keyboard pain?
what’s next? Mouse Misery? Scanner Suffering? T-Nation Tribulation?
Or how about Joystick Jeopardy? Bring it on, chump.
LOL!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
This thread is retarded. Chek, did you not get enough love as a kid.
[quote]keaster wrote:
This thread is retarded. Chek, did you not get enough love as a kid.[/quote]
Who needs love when you’ve got Paul Chek?
Happiness is a perfectly inflated Swiss-Ball.
Depending on the type of Bench you are using may make a world of difference in how well you can get scapular retraction. For example: the width of the bench and the stiffness of the material underneath the shoulders. Or if you even have contact at all in the scapular area. Also the angle of attack can also change the amount of scapular movement employed; such as in a decline or incline position.
I have a bench that I use that has the upper part chopped down so that I can get full movement of the shoulders, while still supporting the body all the way up into the middle of my back. This I made so I didn’t have to sacrafice weight using an unstable non-bench support such as a swiss ball. Adding scapular movement so that I could prevent shoulder injury.
[quote]mason33 wrote:
Depending on the type of Bench you are using may make a world of difference in how well you can get scapular retraction. For example: the width of the bench and the stiffness of the material underneath the shoulders. Or if you even have contact at all in the scapular area. Also the angle of attack can also change the amount of scapular movement employed; such as in a decline or incline position.
I have a bench that I use that has the upper part chopped down so that I can get full movement of the shoulders, while still supporting the body all the way up into the middle of my back. This I made so I didn’t have to sacrafice weight using an unstable non-bench support such as a swiss ball. Adding scapular movement so that I could prevent shoulder injury.
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Sounds good, are there any pics or is there any info about it on the net?
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
mason33 wrote:
Depending on the type of Bench you are using may make a world of difference in how well you can get scapular retraction. For example: the width of the bench and the stiffness of the material underneath the shoulders. Or if you even have contact at all in the scapular area. Also the angle of attack can also change the amount of scapular movement employed; such as in a decline or incline position.
I have a bench that I use that has the upper part chopped down so that I can get full movement of the shoulders, while still supporting the body all the way up into the middle of my back. This I made so I didn’t have to sacrafice weight using an unstable non-bench support such as a swiss ball. Adding scapular movement so that I could prevent shoulder injury.
Sounds good, are there any pics or is there any info about it on the net?[/quote]
I don’t know if there are any prefabricated benches like this on the net. I made my own just for the reasons you have stated in shoulder injury. I thought regular benching was just not good enough. After reading about retracting your shoulders during a bench press to get more pectoral recruitment, I just thought that was rediculous. I decided to just eliminate any shoulder questions and still be able to use a modified bench press and use heavy poundages.
[quote]I have a bench that I use that has the upper part chopped down so that I can get full movement of the shoulders, while still supporting the body all the way up into the middle of my back. This I made so I didn’t have to sacrafice weight using an unstable non-bench support such as a swiss ball. Adding scapular movement so that I could prevent shoulder injury.
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I have often thought about that myself. What would the ramifications be on the thoracic spinal musculature if you had two sides of a regular bench cut off at the shoulder region but left a 10-15cm strip in the middle to allow for full scapular retraction. Is that placing too much stress on the spine?
[quote]stockzy wrote:
I have often thought about that myself. What would the ramifications be on the thoracic spinal musculature if you had two sides of a regular bench cut off at the shoulder region but left a 10-15cm strip in the middle to allow for full scapular retraction. Is that placing too much stress on the spine?
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Finally the discussion reaches an intellectual point. Lying on so small a column would put some decent stresses through the body.
I’m sure you could get away with it if you progressed things properly though.
Does anyone else have any experience with this?
CHEKonIT
I started pressing on a ball after a shoulder injury. I got upto 50kg’s in each hand for 8 reps. Thats more than I ever did on a bench. I went back to the bench and fucked my shoulder even more. Now I’m back upo 30kg’s but on a bench as I have no access to a ball. Looking forward to one when I can get one.
I dont get the carry over argument though. If I use a bench and press 50kg’s my back is supported and my pecs push 50. If I use a ball my arms press 50, but my back only does as mych work as if I was holding 1kgs.
My point is if you used a bench and did some additional 1kg pressing on a ball you’d be in the same carryover situation.
I like to do a cable press, that forces all your abdominal and leg muscles into play and they have to deal with heavier weights as you get stronger.
That being said, I think you can safely use a bench if taught correctly.
I hope I’ve made some sense here.
[quote]DeadOnArrival wrote:
CHEKonIT
I started pressing on a ball after a shoulder injury. I got upto 50kg’s in each hand for 8 reps. Thats more than I ever did on a bench. I went back to the bench and fucked my shoulder even more. Now I’m back upo 30kg’s but on a bench as I have no access to a ball. Looking forward to one when I can get one.
I dont get the carry over argument though. If I use a bench and press 50kg’s my back is supported and my pecs push 50. If I use a ball my arms press 50, but my back only does as mych work as if I was holding 1kgs.
My point is if you used a bench and did some additional 1kg pressing on a ball you’d be in the same carryover situation.
I like to do a cable press, that forces all your abdominal and leg muscles into play and they have to deal with heavier weights as you get stronger.
That being said, I think you can safely use a bench if taught correctly.
I hope I’ve made some sense here.[/quote]
Why are you reviving this thread?
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
Who really cares how much you bench? For all the macho bodybuilders out there that think that pressing a lot of weight from a flat bench is the be-all and end-all of manhood, think again.
Paul Chek states that “because the bench press is performed on a flat weight lifting bench, normal movement of the shoulder blades (scapulae) is disrupted. This demands that more movement must occur in the shoulder joint itself”
And just how much functional carryover will it have to your real-life anyhow? Just how much pectoralis involment is there in typing on a keyboard or pushing a pencil?
And if you’re one of the knuckleheads on this site that’d rather trade pain free shoulders for a nice set of pecs, try pressing whilst lying on a swiss-ball. (see attached image) Your shoulders will thank you for it. [/quote]
I think if this guy had taken the time to write with some tact instead of using smug terms like “nucklehead” and “macho bodybuilders”, he would have gotten better responses.