[quote]browndisaster wrote:
chalk + straps is an awesome combo
I like them for shrugs, rows, and pulldowns as well. I’m capable of doing all my sets for back without them at all, but I use them as much as possible. The less you use your forearms and biceps, the more you use your back. My deads haven’t gotten near the level of yours pwnisher so I haven’t needed them yet, but I won’t hesitate to use them when I do need them.
I have started doing some extra forearm work for vanity.[/quote]
I think you’re actually looking at it backwards. I was able to build up to such weight on deads via my strap use, rather than needing straps because of the weights I used on deads. Straps allow me to pull double overhand and never let the bar drop, which means more of my focus is on the actual mechanics of the pull rather than worrying about holding onto the bar. Once I started using straps, my technique and strength really took off.
Definitely gotta hammer the grip work though.[/quote]
thanks for the advice, I gave it a try but my straps came loose and I was better off with chalk (my grip hasn’t limited me at all yet) I’ll try it next week once my new straps come in
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hammer Strength equipment has made wide lats way easier to get.[/quote]
has your back workout helped with benching and deadlifting? I haven’t noticed a carryover with deadlifting[/quote]
Make sure you set up your straps correctly. This is what I do
^ thanks! I’ve never seen straps used like this, they didn’t unravel easily and the weight was more centered on my hands. I subscribed to your channel as well, I thought your deadlift setup video was really helpful.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
has your back workout helped with benching and deadlifting? I haven’t noticed a carryover with deadlifting[/quote]
With benching, hell yes.
My shoulders and back had to get really big to bench really big. And I am talking about lifting big where your chest actually does most of the load. Most of the vids I have seen show people NOT focusing on their chest but just getting the weight in the air.
There is a giant difference between “lifting” 350lbs and “lifting 350lbs with great form under control where your chest is actually doing most of the work”.
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??? why would I want to feel my CHEST when focused on lifting more weight
it seems you internet powerlifting warriors who are afraid of “just getting the weight in the air” never post any big lifts. also, we have guns
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
^ thanks! I’ve never seen straps used like this, they didn’t unravel easily and the weight was more centered on my hands. I subscribed to your channel as well, I thought your deadlift setup video was really helpful.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
has your back workout helped with benching and deadlifting? I haven’t noticed a carryover with deadlifting[/quote]
With benching, hell yes.
My shoulders and back had to get really big to bench really big. And I am talking about lifting big where your chest actually does most of the load. Most of the vids I have seen show people NOT focusing on their chest but just getting the weight in the air.
There is a giant difference between “lifting” 350lbs and “lifting 350lbs with great form under control where your chest is actually doing most of the work”.
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??? why would I want to feel my CHEST when focused on lifting more weight
it seems you internet powerlifting warriors who are afraid of “just getting the weight in the air” never post any big lifts. also, we have guns
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Glad you enjoyed it. Hope it helps you get some numbers.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
^ thanks! I’ve never seen straps used like this, they didn’t unravel easily and the weight was more centered on my hands. I subscribed to your channel as well, I thought your deadlift setup video was really helpful.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
has your back workout helped with benching and deadlifting? I haven’t noticed a carryover with deadlifting[/quote]
With benching, hell yes.
My shoulders and back had to get really big to bench really big. And I am talking about lifting big where your chest actually does most of the load. Most of the vids I have seen show people NOT focusing on their chest but just getting the weight in the air.
There is a giant difference between “lifting” 350lbs and “lifting 350lbs with great form under control where your chest is actually doing most of the work”.
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??? why would I want to feel my CHEST when focused on lifting more weight
it seems you internet powerlifting warriors who are afraid of “just getting the weight in the air” never post any big lifts. also, we have guns
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Wow…my mistake for daring to mention that. Like I wrote above, the main point is that I gained way more control of the weight when I added size to my back and shoulders.
I hope that doesn’t offend those of you in the powerlifing forum who don’t care about gaining more control and only care about getting the weight in the air.
For the record, in a thread titled “big back”…I think that is the point.
what do you mean by “control”? did that allow you to hit 340 lbs on bench as your max, or did it make you be less wobbly or something with the weight? I guess I’m just confused with your wording or focus
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
what do you mean by “control”? did that allow you to hit 340 lbs on bench as your max, or did it make you be less wobbly or something with the weight? I guess I’m just confused with your wording or focus[/quote]
I mean as my back grew and gained more strength, controlling heavier weights became easier as well.
I have tried to explain this with an exercise like side laterals specifically but one of you complained about that.
The point even then was that having big lats changed how I did that exercise…and gave me better control.
I noticed it even more this past year after my motorcycle accident when I lost size on my back. I had to change how I did that exercise completely even though back does not come involved with side laterals much.
It changed my leverage.
now that my lats are back, side laterals are way easier.
it would help if you could explain things a little less esoterically, i.e. say explicitly that your bench #s went down when your back lost size, or that you never repped 405 in your life.
my back definitely has helped my bench go up as I feel powerful touching just under the nipple line now that my lats are hyooge
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
it would help if you could explain things a little less esoterically, i.e. say explicitly that your bench #s went down when your back lost size, or that you never repped 405 in your life.
my back definitely has helped my bench go up as I feel powerful touching just under the nipple line now that my lats are hyooge[/quote]
I don’t mention numbers because the same jackasses who will make a 14 page thread about bullshit in the bodybuilding forum when the OP is satisfied will use that info to do the same.
I keep most of my numbers out of my posts for that reason. I have repped 405. I did that before I quit using the barbell bench exclusively and moved more to dumbbells.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
ok, this is the powerlifting forum so it’s actually relevant and important. btw were those laterals raw or equipped?[/quote]
Equipped. I actually used other people’s shoulders to lift the weight.
I have always felt having a wider base (larger back) has had carryover for the bench. When I am able to expand and flex my lats when I bench I have a bigger base to bench from and hence more stability and control. I always do some sort of pull exercise (generally chins or DB Rows) in between sets of bench because for me it allows for better lat activation.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
it would help if you could explain things a little less esoterically, i.e. say explicitly that your bench #s went down when your back lost size, or that you never repped 405 in your life.
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I’m not really having difficulty understanding him here.
There is a difference between getting 350lbs from your chest to lockout and actively recruiting your pecs to accomplish this. What he is saying is that a larger back allowed him to use heavy weights in a manner that still allowed for this.
has your back workout helped with benching and deadlifting? I haven’t noticed a carryover with deadlifting[/quote]
With benching, hell yes.
My shoulders and back had to get really big to bench really big. And I am talking about lifting big where your chest actually does most of the load. Most of the vids I have seen show people NOT focusing on their chest but just getting the weight in the air.
There is a giant difference between “lifting” 350lbs and “lifting 350lbs with great form under control where your chest is actually doing most of the work”.
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Do you even realize you’re posting in the powerlifting forum? lol[/quote]
Yes, I do…but I was simply making a point. That point being that building my back up (along with shoulders) gave me much greater control with the weight than just focusing on chest alone.
I am sure that info may help someone…if people like you would let it.[/quote]
Anyone who has a serious bench knows the importance of a large back, specifically lats. Lats un rack the weight and (along with the shoulders) stabilize the entire fucking movement. Ever tried to unrack 400lbs with weak lats, of coarse not, cause it doesnt happen. And yes, lats carry over to deadlifts.
Shoulder work is equally important IMO (as well as in many top lifters protocols). Heavy shrugs carry over to deadlifts.
Why do you think PL’s are always working on increasing their PR’s in the overhead press? Because it directly carries over to bench. If my 1rep max overhead press goes up, I know I should hit a new bench PR.
I know I posted a page ago about how I’m going to focus on back more heavily once I’m done with my current training phase, but that is because I just want a bigger back in general. I have never noticed a direct carryover to the amount of back work I do to an increase in my bench, or vice versa.
I know this is blasphemy in the powerlifting forum, but my bench seems to go up regardless if I do back work or not. I have semi-focused on back (with pullups and db rows mainly, with some face pulls thrown in for shoulder health) for certain training phases but that’s really all. Other phases I will half ass my way through it and just focus on my main lift.
In fact, I put about 30 pounds on my bench last fall and I don’t think I did ANY back work in that 3+ month period. You know what I did do? bench press 5 times a week!
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I know I posted a page ago about how I’m going to focus on back more heavily once I’m done with my current training phase, but that is because I just want a bigger back in general. I have never noticed a direct carryover to the amount of back work I do to an increase in my bench, or vice versa.
I know this is blasphemy in the powerlifting forum, but my bench seems to go up regardless if I do back work or not. I have semi-focused on back (with pullups and db rows mainly, with some face pulls thrown in for shoulder health) for certain training phases but that’s really all. Other phases I will half ass my way through it and just focus on my main lift.
In fact, I put about 30 pounds on my bench last fall and I don’t think I did ANY back work in that 3+ month period. You know what I did do? bench press 5 times a week!
[quote]kgildner wrote:
No love for weighted pull-ups here? They remain my favourite lat burner.[/quote]
problem I find with these is it’s hard to really squeeze the reps, which I think is essential for lats. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great exercise and I do chins first in my back routine every time, but I treat them as more of a power movement and really try and blast myself up.
Just my opinion…[/quote]
You can do a hold at the top of a pullup or chinup or do pauses during the eccentric portion of the lift. This obviously takes a very strong back and arms.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I know I posted a page ago about how I’m going to focus on back more heavily once I’m done with my current training phase, but that is because I just want a bigger back in general. I have never noticed a direct carryover to the amount of back work I do to an increase in my bench, or vice versa.
I know this is blasphemy in the powerlifting forum, but my bench seems to go up regardless if I do back work or not. I have semi-focused on back (with pullups and db rows mainly, with some face pulls thrown in for shoulder health) for certain training phases but that’s really all. Other phases I will half ass my way through it and just focus on my main lift.
In fact, I put about 30 pounds on my bench last fall and I don’t think I did ANY back work in that 3+ month period. You know what I did do? bench press 5 times a week!
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I know I posted a page ago about how I’m going to focus on back more heavily once I’m done with my current training phase, but that is because I just want a bigger back in general. I have never noticed a direct carryover to the amount of back work I do to an increase in my bench, or vice versa.
I know this is blasphemy in the powerlifting forum, but my bench seems to go up regardless if I do back work or not. I have semi-focused on back (with pullups and db rows mainly, with some face pulls thrown in for shoulder health) for certain training phases but that’s really all. Other phases I will half ass my way through it and just focus on my main lift.
In fact, I put about 30 pounds on my bench last fall and I don’t think I did ANY back work in that 3+ month period. You know what I did do? bench press 5 times a week!
Just sayin
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yeah, I’ve always thought it was just getting strong shoulders/chest/tris would increase your bench, and getting the supporting muscles stronger just helped to a point. Our backs are around the same strength but you’re benching well over 100 lbs more than I am.
