Arnie was doing it wrong.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
IMO: Rows\pullups\chinups are better for your Bis than curls.
same goes to doing bench presses\military presses\dips instead of kick backs.[/quote]
So in your expert opinion training a muscle directly is somehow LESS effective than training it indirectly?
(^^obviously thatâs a facetious question. If thatâs your opinion, and I take it from the part where you said âIMOâ, that it is⌠Your opinion is dumb)
Do you have pics of these arms that were built without direct arm work? [/quote]
How is contracting the bicep under load in a pulling variation not directly training the bicep?
While I agree with most of the guys here that isolation work is needed to get the most out of your arms, some people here seem to act like compound movements donât do anything for individual muscles. By the logic of your post, squats (even front squats) âindirectlyâ train your quads and a leg extension âdirectâ quad work should be more effective.
So, can you get big quads by only squatting?
Curls vs something like rows are different loading patterns and range of motion. Both contribute to a big, full arm. Both directly work the bicep.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
IMO: Rows\pullups\chinups are better for your Bis than curls.
same goes to doing bench presses\military presses\dips instead of kick backs.[/quote]
So in your expert opinion training a muscle directly is somehow LESS effective than training it indirectly?
(^^obviously thatâs a facetious question. If thatâs your opinion, and I take it from the part where you said âIMOâ, that it is⌠Your opinion is dumb)
Do you have pics of these arms that were built without direct arm work? [/quote]
How is contracting the bicep under load in a pulling variation not directly training the bicep?
While I agree with most of the guys here that isolation work is needed to get the most out of your arms, some people here seem to act like compound movements donât do anything for individual muscles. By the logic of your post, squats (even front squats) âindirectlyâ train your quads and a leg extension âdirectâ quad work should be more effective.
So, can you get big quads by only squatting?
Curls vs something like rows are different loading patterns and range of motion. Both contribute to a big, full arm. Both directly work the bicep. [/quote]
Youre another one with pitiful reasoning skills
Which bodybuilders are doing ONLY squats to build their legs?
The fact that rows (? you couldnt even say chinups; something clearly better for biceps than rows) activate the biceps is irrelevant. The main point, and the most important point, is that bicep curls activate the biceps THE BEST.
Your posts have repeatedly used words like âpretty goodâ and âdecentâ. Thats not what bodybuilding is. If your opinion is based on building anything to a âpretty goodâ level your opinion doesnt belong in the bodybuilding forum. Why is it so hard for powerlifters with shitty arms to just stay the fuck out of this conversation and avoid polluting the minds of people who genuinely want to look like a bodybuilder?
i personally believe someone could develop an impressive set of arms doing weighted chin ups and dipsâŚ
not deadlift/rows/bench press/shoulder pressâŚBut, chins and dips
the funny thing isâŚif this was posted on a veteran board, people wouldnât be so close minded to using chins to stimulate armsâŚonly on tnationâŚ
[quote]yustas wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]yustas wrote:
Not at all. I am just trying to find out what the âtruthâ is. I love doing standing barbell curls, for example. At the same time, however, I do not want to waste my time on stuff that does not work. Here is another example: I prefer doing dips or close grip bench press to triceps kickbacks, but do I need to do the kickbacks? I am just trying to figure out which exercises are the most effective. As I have already mentioned, I am not a professional bodybuilder, so my time in the gym is limited.
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Iâm confused. These guys are NOT big.[/quote]
Martin Berkhan is âbig,â wait, he is âhuge,â compared to the majority of regular guys who go to the gym. Who are the âbigâ guys that you have in mind? Arnold, Ronny, Cutler? Of course, they are huge, but they are the elite. I will never look like them, nor do I want to. So, for me, there is no point in trying to copy how they train and eat.
In other words, if I am trying to improve my swimming skills, for example, and want to become a great swimmer, I do not think it is necessary to train like Michael Phelps. In fact, it would be a complete waste of time for an overwhelming majority of people who want to develop great swimming skills to train like Michael Phelps. So, why would I need to train like, say, Arnold?
Having said that, there is no doubt that some exercises used by Arnold and other huge guys are certainly useful and effective for regular people. The trick is to figure out which exercises are effective and which are not, which is why I asked the question. Like I said, I love doing direct arm work, but I simply wanted to know if it was a good use of my limited time.[/quote]
Just one more thing about this ridiculous statement. The BIGGEST guys are obviously training the BEST. Yes, they also have the best genetics, and diet, and drugs, etc, but to reach the top, their training is also just about perfect. Why, just because you do not necessarily want to be as big as them (you couldnât, by the way), would you not want to train in the optimal way?
Bodybuilders are the best in the world at gaining muscle and getting lean. What do you want to do? Gain muscle and get leaner? Better avoid what the best bodybuilders do then. I just do not understand this line of thought, and it seems to be everywhere.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
IMO: Rows\pullups\chinups are better for your Bis than curls.
same goes to doing bench presses\military presses\dips instead of kick backs.[/quote]
So in your expert opinion training a muscle directly is somehow LESS effective than training it indirectly?
(^^obviously thatâs a facetious question. If thatâs your opinion, and I take it from the part where you said âIMOâ, that it is⌠Your opinion is dumb)
Do you have pics of these arms that were built without direct arm work? [/quote]
How is contracting the bicep under load in a pulling variation not directly training the bicep?
While I agree with most of the guys here that isolation work is needed to get the most out of your arms, some people here seem to act like compound movements donât do anything for individual muscles. By the logic of your post, squats (even front squats) âindirectlyâ train your quads and a leg extension âdirectâ quad work should be more effective.
So, can you get big quads by only squatting?
Curls vs something like rows are different loading patterns and range of motion. Both contribute to a big, full arm. Both directly work the bicep. [/quote]
Youre another one with pitiful reasoning skills
Which bodybuilders are doing ONLY squats to build their legs?
The fact that rows (? you couldnt even say chinups; something clearly better for biceps than rows) activate the biceps is irrelevant. The main point, and the most important point, is that bicep curls activate the biceps THE BEST.
Your posts have repeatedly used words like âpretty goodâ and âdecentâ. Thats not what bodybuilding is. If your opinion is based on building anything to a âpretty goodâ level your opinion doesnt belong in the bodybuilding forum. Why is it so hard for powerlifters with shitty arms to just stay the fuck out of this conversation and avoid polluting the minds of people who genuinely want to look like a bodybuilder? [/quote]
No, you have poor reading comprehension or just plain havenâ??t read my posts. The only thing I was addressing with my post was the notion that pulling doesnâ??t directly work the biceps, which it factually does.
I never said any BBer only does squats, that wasnâ??t necessary to my point in any way.
I have also repeatedly said there is no reason a BBer should aim for decent or pretty good, but like I noted, you obviously havenâ??t read my posts.
I have already stated that I personally am shooting much better than pretty good, and would like to take my arms as far as I can push them.
Lastly, I donâ??t have shitty arms, and I have advocated direct arm work throughout this thread.
My only reason for posting the previous post was just to contradict some of the overt tribalism that goes on in some of the threads. I just think itâ??s funny that some people with 13 inch arms get on here and talk about how a guy with incredibly lean 16 inch arms is doing it all wrong. The guy looks better than 99% of the people here, but 99% of the people here are mocking him.
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itâ??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
[quote]D Public wrote:
i personally believe someone could develop an impressive set of arms doing weighted chin ups and dipsâŚ
not deadlift/rows/bench press/shoulder pressâŚBut, chins and dips
the funny thing isâŚif this was posted on a veteran board, people wouldnât be so close minded to using chins to stimulate armsâŚonly on tnationâŚ[/quote]
Serious question. Do you lift weights? Just be honest.
Because with the development youre sporting in that avatar Im not sure your opinion on how to get big is worth much more than nothing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itĂ¢??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
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You claim someone reading your posts has poor reading skills in virtually every thread that you converse in. Somehow I dont think the problem lies within EVERYONE else.
THe comment about squatting was an analogy. You missed that. Completely.
And the line I left quoted says everything about your posts. You are simply here to stir things up. You are mad at WHO is making the posts. Not the substance of the posts. Thatâs absurd. It doesnt matter if itâs Ronnie Coleman, and IFBB judge, or some fat guy who happens to be a fan of bodybuilding. Judging the development of someones arms in a picture is objective. Fuck youre annoying.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itĂ??Ă?Ă¢??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
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You claim someone reading your posts has poor reading skills in virtually every thread that you converse in. Somehow I dont think the problem lies within EVERYONE else.
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I directly pointed out the multitude of times you miss-read my posts. Unless you have a response to that, yes, your have poor reading comprehension. And yes, a lot of people on here do. You read whatever you want to read.
No, I got it, it just had nothing to do with my point. It was irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Kinda of like your take on the opinion of powerlifters with shitty arms?
Not to mention attacking the source instead of the substance is exactly what you did in your previous paragraph.
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It doesnt matter if itâs Ronnie Coleman, and IFBB judge, or some fat guy who happens to be a fan of bodybuilding. Judging the development of someones arms in a picture is objective. Fuck youre annoying. [/quote]
This is one of the dumber things Iâve read. Iâm not even entirely sure the point, but judging arms in a photo is pretty much the definition of subjective. I donât think you even know what objective means.
And you seem to be the one stirring up irrelevant shit.
If the shortest distance between Point A and Point B is a straight line, then why he hell would anyone want to zig-zag all over the map only to get partway to Point B?
Go do some direct arm work!
[quote]D Public wrote:
i personally believe someone could develop an impressive set of arms doing weighted chin ups and dipsâŚ
not deadlift/rows/bench press/shoulder pressâŚBut, chins and dips
the funny thing isâŚif this was posted on a veteran board, people wouldnât be so close minded to using chins to stimulate armsâŚonly on tnationâŚ[/quote]
Dude, my goal in the gym is NOT to simply âstimulateâ my arms. I can âstimulateâ my arms by carrying the groceries in the house. Just because the biceps contract during BACK EXERCISES does not mean they are working that muscle better than working it in isolation.
Further, why the fuck would I do BACK EXERCISES and not be focused on MY FUCKING BACK?
I think to (some extent)arm dysmorphia is the issue to blame here!!
Tis funny how many people often donât argue the same in relation to calves & forearms.
Ie: âI have pretty big foreamsâŚthough, I never do any reverse curls OR heavy grip workâ etc
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itĂ???Ă??Ă?Ă¢??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
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You claim someone reading your posts has poor reading skills in virtually every thread that you converse in. Somehow I dont think the problem lies within EVERYONE else.
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I directly pointed out the multitude of times you miss-read my posts. Unless you have a response to that, yes, your have poor reading comprehension. And yes, a lot of people on here do. You read whatever you want to read.
No, I got it, it just had nothing to do with my point. It was irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Kinda of like your take on the opinion of powerlifters with shitty arms?
Not to mention attacking the source instead of the substance is exactly what you did in your previous paragraph.
[quote]
It doesnt matter if itâs Ronnie Coleman, and IFBB judge, or some fat guy who happens to be a fan of bodybuilding. Judging the development of someones arms in a picture is objective. Fuck youre annoying. [/quote]
This is one of the dumber things Iâve read. Iâm not even entirely sure the point, but judging arms in a photo is pretty much the definition of subjective. I donât think you even know what objective means.
And you seem to be the one stirring up irrelevant shit.[/quote]
Judging the size of somoenes arms is definitely not subjective. God you really are too stupid to have a coversation with.
And your point about you being a powerlifter. I was still attacking the substance of your posts chief. I mentioned powerlifters becuase they come into to BB forum to do this shit, and it doesnt happen vice versa. There was no âinstead of attacking the substanceâ I most definitely attacked the substance of your posts.
This is useless. Youâll continue to make whiny, sniveling posts in a forum where no one cares about your opinion solely for the sake to read your own name on the screen. Great job. Youre the best at bucking the trends of bodybuilding. 10 powerlifting points to you.
Fuckin clown
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itĂ???Ă???Ă??Ă?Ă¢??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
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You claim someone reading your posts has poor reading skills in virtually every thread that you converse in. Somehow I dont think the problem lies within EVERYONE else.
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I directly pointed out the multitude of times you miss-read my posts. Unless you have a response to that, yes, your have poor reading comprehension. And yes, a lot of people on here do. You read whatever you want to read.
No, I got it, it just had nothing to do with my point. It was irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Kinda of like your take on the opinion of powerlifters with shitty arms?
Not to mention attacking the source instead of the substance is exactly what you did in your previous paragraph.
Unless you are using a measuring device or have calibrated your fucking eye resently judging size from a pic is entirely subjective. And additionally, adjusting your opinion of the development of an arm based on the shape and leanness is even more subjective.
Oh, yes, the substance of my post was that Iâm a powerlifter, right. Way to backtrack idiot. You are just making yourself sound even more retarded at this point.
Besides, unless youâ??ve competed Iâ??m as much a bodybuilder as you. I care as much about it. I pursue it as much. The fact that I also do powerlifting has no bearing on me being a body builder.
Funny, Iâ??d say the same thing about you. I was on topic and making points. You came in and started attacking me personally. If you didnâ??t care, why purposely start an argument. But please keep posting and proving yourself dumber.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]D Public wrote:
i personally believe someone could develop an impressive set of arms doing weighted chin ups and dipsâŚ
not deadlift/rows/bench press/shoulder pressâŚBut, chins and dips
the funny thing isâŚif this was posted on a veteran board, people wouldnât be so close minded to using chins to stimulate armsâŚonly on tnationâŚ[/quote]
Dude, my goal in the gym is NOT to simply âstimulateâ my arms. I can âstimulateâ my arms by carrying the groceries in the house. Just because the biceps contract during BACK EXERCISES does not mean they are working that muscle better than working it in isolation.
Further, why the fuck would I do BACK EXERCISES and not be focused on MY FUCKING BACK?[/quote]
Na man. You missed the point. The epitome of physical fitness is to find the single exercise that stimulates every muscle in the body. Cus you know, people are busy and it takes a really long time to find the best porn on the internet to masterbate to (theres so many choices these days). Real people dont have time to do multiple exercises.
Im writing a book based on a program where you do lunges in the cable station (high and low cables simultaneously, so you need 4 handles), while curling then pressing the weight. Then do an atagonistic set where you reverse lunge then tricep extension and then row the weight so you can stand up again. Its pretty much the best workout.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Some guys like you or X or whatever can call the guy small if you want itĂ???Ă???Ă???Ă??Ă?Ă¢??s all the other guys that run around after yall trying to give internet blowjobs that I find tiring.
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You claim someone reading your posts has poor reading skills in virtually every thread that you converse in. Somehow I dont think the problem lies within EVERYONE else.
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I directly pointed out the multitude of times you miss-read my posts. Unless you have a response to that, yes, your have poor reading comprehension. And yes, a lot of people on here do. You read whatever you want to read.
No, I got it, it just had nothing to do with my point. It was irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Kinda of like your take on the opinion of powerlifters with shitty arms?
Not to mention attacking the source instead of the substance is exactly what you did in your previous paragraph.
Unless you are using a measuring device or have calibrated your fucking eye resently judging size from a pic is entirely subjective. And additionally, adjusting your opinion of the development of an arm based on the shape and leanness is even more subjective.
Oh, yes, the substance of my post was that Iâm a powerlifter, right. Way to backtrack idiot. You are just making yourself sound even more retarded at this point.
Besides, unless youĂ¢??ve competed IĂ¢??m as much a bodybuilder as you. I care as much about it. I pursue it as much. The fact that I also do powerlifting has no bearing on me being a body builder.
Funny, IĂ¢??d say the same thing about you. I was on topic and making points. You came in and started attacking me personally. If you didnĂ¢??t care, why purposely start an argument. But please keep posting and proving yourself dumber.
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I dont consider myself a bodybuilder at all. And I look a lot closer to one than you do. 
Sucks brah. Dont be mad though, you have some sweet trophies to polish in your spare time. Man those are cool.
This is the ONLY activity where people will look at the absolute best at it and assume they donât know what they are doing.
When the fuck did it become a fad to train YOUR BACK while focusing on YOUR BICEPS? I train MY BACK so that my BACK is really big and really strong. I train my BICEPS so that MY BICEPS are really big and really strong. What sense would it make to AVOID training my biceps other than doing BACK exercises if I want really big and strong arms?
Also, no offense, but most of the people who log on with this bullshit have the WORST looking backs and arms.
Let me guess, you idiots think that is a coincidence?
I <3 âBack Dayâ ⌠and my biceps donât even get sore.
[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
I think to (some extent)arm dysmorphia is the issue to blame here!!
Tis funny how many people often donât argue the same in relation to calves & forearms.
Ie: âI have pretty big foreamsâŚthough, I never do any reverse curls OR heavy grip workâ etc
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Dysmorphia? Is this because guys with bigger arms donât consider a lean 15" arm to be BIG? It isnât. is this news to people? This is bodybuilding, not âletâs STIMULATE our arms any way we can by NOT training them directlyâ. If I was spending the time and money like some of these people and after years of hard work, I still had 15" arms, I would be pissed the fuck off.
It would seem many of you are simply in the wrong forum and are looking for a site with âbbâ and â.comâ in the title.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I <3 âBack Dayâ ⌠and my biceps donât even get sore.[/quote]
Mine either. I train my backâŚand MY BACK gets sore. You know, that may just be why people say I have a big back.
NawâŚclearly I need to start training my back so my biceps work harder.
LOL at the logic hereâŚand the fact that NONE of the guys who act like this look impressively builtâŚbut none of them see the connection.