[quote]Doyle wrote:
I think the concept of systematic response to training is actually one of the biggest arguments for a bodypart split program (including direct arm work). People supporting full body workouts often say that you don’t get enough frequency on a split program but if the body has a prodominantly systematic response to training than a person on a split is effectively stimulating an anabolic state for their whole body 5 or 6 times a week.[/quote]
This suggestion is flawed since the largest metabolic response is provoked with full body training. This also leads into an important point, which is that simply stimulating a large whole body metabolic response is not directly in itself a hypertrophy stimulus. Local muscle protein synthesis rates are what is important for stimulating hypertrophy.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Also, this is just theory and all, but when your hand is in a neutral or even better, overhand position, your biceps appear the longest (may be due to brachialis as well, what do I know), while they appear the shorter when the hands are supinated…
So perhaps that has something to do with it…
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Well, actually my statement that the biceps was more stretched in the supinated position was completely stupid and incorrect.
For some reason it FEELS that way to me, but it most certainly isn’t so in fact.
Agreed on having an incorrect moment with regards to technique being a huge and perhaps necessary culprit to a biceps tear when DL’ing.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Zen warrior wrote:
C-C, would’ve pm’ed you, but saw your message in your account, so here goes: where’s that original discussion?
Which of the 200 or so we must have had? >>>[/quote]
They should have done another study where they ONLY did direct arm work and see if there arms changed. But I think ultimately if they did any sort of exercise on people who don’t regularly change will stimulate muscle growth all over because there all of a sudden become active. Interesting too see if there diet changed as well, but I feel genetics has a lot to do with people getting away with not directly training them.
if you have lil arms and a bog body, then you look fucked up, train arms. im working on mine, trust me, from experience, if you dont work them, they wont grow.
Direct arm training is a leading cause of malria, beri beri, bubonic plague, mad cow disease, spontaneous wholesale testicular atrophy, and the national debt as well as cursing whatever equipment is utilized in the unholy act.
For God’s sake, how many good citizens do we have to lose before this message finally sinks in.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
Biceps hypertrophy from deadlifts: It happens
I dont have huge guns but when my deadlift increased my arms growed with it. I went from curling 80 to curling 120 just by my deadlift.
Doing only DL doesnt maximize arm size but you get some hypertrophy. Direct arm work is optimal
But if you were curling the whole time, how do you know it was the Dead that made you stronger in the curl, and not the curls you were doing?[/quote]
Apparently he conducted a well-designed study where he tested his 1RM curl strength as 80, subsequently proceeded to deadlift as his only exercise for quite some time, before retesting his 1RM curl strength as 120.