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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

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And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?

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Just for the record, I do think it was in poor taste to bust the guys balls in his own training thread. That’s why I didn’t most my doubts there and I’m sure he doesn’t give a fuck if I believe him or not. But in this thread, I think it’s relevant.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Just for the record, I do think it was in poor taste to bust the guys balls in his own training thread. That’s why I didn’t most my doubts there and I’m sure he doesn’t give a fuck if I believe him or not. But in this thread, I think it’s relevant.[/quote]

I had a response Sam and some how didnt show up. Oh well one of those days.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Dude, I’m an old guy now? Fuck my life.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Dude, I’m an old guy now? Fuck my life.[/quote]

hahahahahaha you know what that means. You have to move your log over to the over 35 section. :slight_smile:

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For sports like basketball, you can only become so much better than the people you are competing against. If you aren’t playing with the best, how could you even learn the skill at that level? And even if you think you did, the only way to prove it would be to compete against the best - and then you would be in the NBA and you wouldn’t be random. Otherwise its just a theoretical “what if” or “what might have been” which really means nothing.

For something like weightlifting/powerlifting, I think it is conceivable to have someone who comes out of nowhere, because the competition (the barbell) is the same no matter if its at a meet or in your basement. If you have the ability to do it, are around people who can teach you form, etc, what is stopping you from becoming freak strong whether you compete publicly or not?

Like Pat Mendes. If there didn’t happen to be youtube videos of him, he would be one of these ‘random’ people. He might stumble upon a forum and say he snatched 207kg… and everyone would be shitting on him lol.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]thephantom wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

Good post. Not sure how “LWH can’t really bench 495x15” turned into “there are better bball players on the street than MJ” though. While it is a very large claim, and I don’t particularly care if it’s true or not, I don’t find it as unreasonable as some here.

Here’s an example of a guy that nobody’s heard of that could probably outbench everyone except Hoornstra, Mendy, and Kennelly:

I think he posted this in the PL forum here a while ago.[/quote]

I agree that the main point has been derailed a bit, but here are my thoughts on the matter.

Is there the possibility that amongst the 6+ billion people on earth right now, that some random guy training in solitude is able to beat a world record holder in their respective lift? Yes, that is entirely possible. However, it is not very likely.

The difference in response that sincityiron and lew got was based on one thing - demonstrating said claims. If sincityiron had showed up stating (without any evidence) that he could manhandle 600x3 on bench, he would have most likely gotten a veritable shitstorm of internet hate. However, he just linked a video and let it do the talking. I know that that video certainly inspired me, and I often watch it before I go to the gym to bench press.

Lew, when asked about his lifts, mentioned 495 on incline for 6-15 reps. Quite an impressive claim, as a strength feat such as that has not been seen by the lifting community at large. Such a claim warrants investigation (similar to a scientist claiming that he successfully regrew a man’s severed limb, and the rest of the scientific community making inquiries about the experiment). It is within the realm of possibility that Lew performed this lift, but some measure of proof is logically required to believe a lift that is beyond the best ever recorded.

Is there any doubt in my mind that Lew is a beast of a man from whom I could learn a whole multitude of things about training? No. My main interest in this is seeing something so mind-bogglingly awesome that it would inspire me to push my own training to new heights.
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The other difference is that LWH didn’t sign up on T-Nation just to make the claim that he benched 495 for 15. Someone MADE A THREAD ABOUT HIM, asking him how he trains, and then others had to drag the numbers out of him. There were like 2-3 posts asking him about numbers before he posted 495x6-15. I could speculate that maybe he padded this stat by 50 lbs or so, maybe more, but seriously, who cares?[/quote]

He’s actually mentioned his lift a number of times on this site.

Once again, it is NOT possible this happened. Are you guys completely skipping over the quote of strongholds I posted and my continual reiteration of that post? No one has addressed it yet so I’m assuming no one can argue against it.

So once again. A NATURAL lifter has claimed to lift the same weight as the strongest, most gifted and DRUG ASSISTED pressers in the world and rep it 3x more, all the while weighing over 50 lbs less.

This is not even a plausible argument. Like I said before, it’s equivalent to saying some random natural bodybuilder could step on the Olympia stage during Ronnie Coleman’s prime and not only take the title from him but absolutely crush him.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

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[quote]thogue wrote:
Like Pat Mendes. If there didn’t happen to be youtube videos of him, he would be one of these ‘random’ people. He might stumble upon a forum and say he snatched 207kg… and everyone would be shitting on him lol.[/quote]

Yes, if it weren’t for Youtube, Pat would’ve been one of those random people…who won National Championships 2 years in a row and set an unofficial Jr. World Record…

Just because you haven’t heard of a person doesn’t mean that they’re not known within their discipline.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Oh come on, you guys defending LWH have at one time or another made fun of some little kid for claiming a lift in the ball park of like a 315x5 squat who has chicken legs. What’s the difference? Now, I can’t say you specifically because I don’t remember seeing many of your posts until a few days ago but Prof X and crew definitely has.

Just because a guy is “big” he can claim whatever he wants? Please.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]thogue wrote:
Like Pat Mendes. If there didn’t happen to be youtube videos of him, he would be one of these ‘random’ people. He might stumble upon a forum and say he snatched 207kg… and everyone would be shitting on him lol.[/quote]

Yes, if it weren’t for Youtube, Pat would’ve been one of those random people…who won National Championships 2 years in a row and set an unofficial Jr. World Record…

Just because you haven’t heard of a person doesn’t mean that they’re not known within their discipline.
[/quote]

x2, these guys just keep proving our point over and over which each post.

I also seriously lol’d at Lou posting a video of Ryan Kennely, claiming him as a random and saying he isn’t intimidating. That was gold.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Oh come on, you guys defending LWH have at one time or another made fun of some little kid for claiming a lift in the ball park of like a 315x5 squat who has chicken legs. What’s the difference? Now, I can’t say you specifically because I don’t remember seeing many of your posts until a few days ago but Prof X and crew definitely has.

Just because a guy is “big” he can claim whatever he wants? Please.

[/quote]

Way you and I have never spoke to each other on here, you can search this whole site and I have never, ever jumped on anybody on this site. Now I have some heated discussions a few times about non-lifting issues, such as divorce and raising kids. But NEVER lifting. I have been doing this for as long as you have been alive. I respect people. Again I am not and have not defended Lews claims. All I said was give the man some respect.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Oh come on, you guys defending LWH have at one time or another made fun of some little kid for claiming a lift in the ball park of like a 315x5 squat who has chicken legs. What’s the difference? Now, I can’t say you specifically because I don’t remember seeing many of your posts until a few days ago but Prof X and crew definitely has.

Just because a guy is “big” he can claim whatever he wants? Please.

[/quote]

Way you and I have never spoke to each other on here, you can search this whole site and I have never, ever jumped on anybody on this site. Now I have some heated discussions a few times about non-lifting issues, such as divorce and raising kids. But NEVER lifting. I have been doing this for as long as you have been alive. I respect people. Again I am not and have not defended Lews claims. All I said was give the man some respect. [/quote]

Notice I said not you specifically so don’t that take that personally. Regardless, all the guys vehemently saying they completely believed he shattered all pressing WR’s have said some horrible shit to noobies who claim modest lifts but are very small. They sure as hell don’t show respect to those kids.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Oh come on, you guys defending LWH have at one time or another made fun of some little kid for claiming a lift in the ball park of like a 315x5 squat who has chicken legs. What’s the difference? Now, I can’t say you specifically because I don’t remember seeing many of your posts until a few days ago but Prof X and crew definitely has.

Just because a guy is “big” he can claim whatever he wants? Please.

[/quote]

Way you and I have never spoke to each other on here, you can search this whole site and I have never, ever jumped on anybody on this site. Now I have some heated discussions a few times about non-lifting issues, such as divorce and raising kids. But NEVER lifting. I have been doing this for as long as you have been alive. I respect people. Again I am not and have not defended Lews claims. All I said was give the man some respect. [/quote]

Notice I said not you specifically so don’t that take that personally. Regardless, all the guys vehemently saying they completely believed he shattered all pressing WR’s have said some horrible shit to noobies who claim modest lifts but are very small. They sure as hell don’t show respect to those kids.[/quote]

Well if that is true than you of course are correct in your stance. My only question would be has Lew done that? All the posts I have seen by Lew he has never attacked anyone. But I could be wrong, I have honestly not lurked or contributed to the BB forums or such. I tend to stick to the over 35 guys and GAL to kill time at work between patients.

Way I dont take any of this personal, and I sure as hell dont have the time or energy to get into internet fights between rival groups. Again what this looked like to me Lew was used as an excuse to attack for other issues that may be present. But I could be wrong.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

And if he had an account on here and made a claim would he be questioned by all? Would he be flamed and degraded? [/quote]

It depends on the claim. If he claimed he benched 1200 lbs (something no one has ever done), sure we would. LWH claimed to 495x15 on incline, something there is no evidence of anyone ever doing.

Why do you guys believe he did something naturally that no one has ever done even on steroids? Just because he said so?

I’m sure most of you have questioned some elses lift at one point or another. Why is it such a big deal now?[/quote]

Sam if you read all the threads which I think there are like 3 you would see I never claimed one way or the other about Lews claim of 495 of 6-15 reps. Actually when I read that I took it as a broken up rep range, but not going to get into that.

My point Sam is that Lew has been a very adult and engaging man on these boards, he also is obviously a very muscular man. However people feel the need to attack and belittle in a very childish way. He has never shown or acted like a troll or someone that wants to internet fight. That was my only point, as a grown man I could care less really what someone claims. Will that feed my family? Will that make me stronger? Do I feel intimidated by someone that makes a claim because maybe I am not as strong? No.

I think we have a generational difference in my opinion. They older guys on here think it is very rude to attack this way while the younger guys see it as that is the way it is. Just trying to be civil guys and give you one old guys opinion.[/quote]

Oh come on, you guys defending LWH have at one time or another made fun of some little kid for claiming a lift in the ball park of like a 315x5 squat who has chicken legs. What’s the difference? Now, I can’t say you specifically because I don’t remember seeing many of your posts until a few days ago but Prof X and crew definitely has.

Just because a guy is “big” he can claim whatever he wants? Please.

[/quote]

Way you and I have never spoke to each other on here, you can search this whole site and I have never, ever jumped on anybody on this site. Now I have some heated discussions a few times about non-lifting issues, such as divorce and raising kids. But NEVER lifting. I have been doing this for as long as you have been alive. I respect people. Again I am not and have not defended Lews claims. All I said was give the man some respect. [/quote]

Notice I said not you specifically so don’t that take that personally. Regardless, all the guys vehemently saying they completely believed he shattered all pressing WR’s have said some horrible shit to noobies who claim modest lifts but are very small. They sure as hell don’t show respect to those kids.[/quote]

Well if that is true than you of course are correct in your stance. My only question would be has Lew done that? All the posts I have seen by Lew he has never attacked anyone. But I could be wrong, I have honestly not lurked or contributed to the BB forums or such. I tend to stick to the over 35 guys and GAL to kill time at work between patients.

Way I dont take any of this personal, and I sure as hell dont have the time or energy to get into internet fights between rival groups. Again what this looked like to me Lew was used as an excuse to attack for other issues that may be present. But I could be wrong.[/quote]

I stay out of the BB forum for the most part as well bc of the same shit that’s going on now, I haven’t posted this much on here for over 6 months lol. But, I just can’t let a claim like that go without questioning it.

And no, Lew has not done that.

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^ Yea man but there is always a way to question that, I think Lew is an understanding guy. I will drop it not my beef, Lew is a grown man. I just happen to like the man and think he is a stand up individual. Keep up the good work by the way for yourself in your physical and school endeavors.

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I agree it should not have escalated the way it did but internet arguments are like wildfire, haha. Damnit DJHT, when you give me props it makes me not want to argue anymore :cry: lol, appreciate it man will do.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Yeah, definitely un-intimidating.

[/quote]

Sorry buddy - I don’t mean to upset anyone. I’m just looking at two fat guys on a bench, not surfing the web for body shots.

Not directed at you steel nation but I think people take this internet stuff too seriously.

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Lew can’t incline 495x6-15

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People forget that these street ballers have DAY JOBS. You can only compare them to pros JUST before they turned pro; after that, they are “PRO” for a reason–it’s their fucking job.

They have access to the best medical attention, best coaches/facilities, and they can train ALL fucking day because…wait for it…it PAYS THE BILLS.

The point at which someone turns pro is when they begin to WIDEN THE GAP with other “street ballers”–aka HOBBYISTS–because they get to practice and PLAY AGAINST THE BEST, all day, EVERY day.

And yes to what gregron said: NBA players would murder street ballers on the court. I read that Kobe once played at Rucker Park and made fools out of all of them.

The street ballers don’t play much defense because giving each other opportunities to show boat is what sells tapes like AND1, showcasing their skills for scouts. At least, that’s one reason they don’t play much defense.

People also forget that even pros have bad days/games. Muhammad Ali got knocked out by 5 greats (or was it more) but nobody says Rocky Marciano (undefeated) was better than Muhammad Ali.

This is a point well highlighted by big soccer matches. You get two teams playing on the world stage, and even if one team isn’t as highly regarded as the other (e.g. Turkey vs. England)…you are still talking about world class athletes, where the “underdog” can beat the other team. What I mean is, when we’re talking about the top 2%, it can boil down to who is having a better day. It can just boil down to pyschological/emotional state.