[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
Bob Peoples pulled 732 pounds as an all time best with a double overhand grip, and only weighed 178 pounds at the time. (And that is WELL documented) I bet he could have ‘jerked’ 300 pounds to the ceiling had he wanted to. I don’t think the fact that he was a small guy factors.[/quote]
lol
what does a guy who you “bet could have ‘jerked’ 300 pounds to the ceiling had he wanted to” have to do with bruce lee kicking a heavy bag and making it hit the roof?
lololol
[quote]Vires Eternus wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
the ability to make a 300lb punching bag hit the ceiling with one side kick [/quote]
Bullshit, I think theres a lot more fol lore/legend surround bruce lee, kinda like the chuck norris phenomenon but less philosophical and less established.[/quote]
yes, its all legend, like his one arm 2 finger pushups, oh wait, you can view it on youtube. guess it isn’t a legend after all. is it.[/quote]
Did I ever say that it was ALL legend, dummy?
NO, I didn’t I picked the one that I KNEW was BULLSHIT. I didn’t even pick the 30 min flag cause that almost seems possible. I’m looking to physics to help persuade my decision. A 160lb dude kicks a 300lb bag and makes it hit the cieling?
Where is THAT youtube video? Where is the youtube video for the 30 minute flag? If it sounds ridiculous and there is no video I will not accept it
Out of all the magical feats listed you picked one and then generalize, atta guy…[/quote]
Bob Peoples pulled 732 pounds as an all time best with a double overhand grip, and only weighed 178 pounds at the time. (And that is WELL documented) I bet he could have ‘jerked’ 300 pounds to the ceiling had he wanted to. I don’t think the fact that he was a small guy factors.[/quote]
He most likely had very unusual leverages (abnormally great armspan relative to height) and likely was not all that tall. Lee was 5’7 according to Bob Wall and as such, he could not possibly generate much leverage for kicks with that kind of height. Lifting weights and kicking a bag are quite different things as such. A midget can be a great powerlifter and bench 500 pounds but they would never fare well in a throwing contest because they simply do not have the height/limb length to generate necessitated power.
Ok guys, I found this to be rather interesting. it has many quotes from people that all knew him. movie stars like James Coburn, Kareem abdul jabaar, chuck norris and tons of others.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Ok guys, I found this to be rather interesting. it has many quotes from people that all knew him. movie stars like James Coburn, Kareem abdul jabaar, chuck norris and tons of others.
http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/feats.html[/quote]
I like how two of his “awesome feats” were sweating while riding an exercise bike and poking a hole in a coke can.
c’mon guys that’s pretty damn impressive…i know this is the youtube era where there are guys doing all kind of stunts out there but he was a pioneer, mastered many different techniques and weight trained (at a time when most fighter did not want to be even seen in a weight room). Even yates praised his physique…nuff said.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
c’mon guys that’s pretty damn impressive…i know this is the youtube era where there are guys doing all kind of stunts out there but he was a pioneer, mastered many different techniques and weight trained (at a time when most fighter did not want to be even seen in a weight room). Even yates praised his physique…nuff said.[/quote]
Joe Weider said that Bruce Lee had the best physique he’d ever seen and even Arnold said that he envied Lee’s muscle definition and symmetry.
Never thought I’d see the day where on a forum based mainly around building mass that so many people would be so astounded by a 135lb. man’s physique. Roguevampire who is always rambling on about looking big in his t-shirts is now proclaiming a tiny man to be the greatest of all time.
In terms of straight appearance give me someone like Dorian Yates or Arnold. For all around physical abilities and appearance give me Le’ron Mcclain. In the end it’s all opinion anyway.
[quote]behexen wrote:
Never thought I’d see the day where on a forum based mainly around building mass that so many people would be so astounded by a 135lb. man’s physique. Roguevampire who is always rambling on about looking big in his t-shirts is now proclaiming a tiny man to be the greatest of all time.
In terms of straight appearance give me someone like Dorian Yates or Arnold. For all around physical abilities and appearance give me Le’ron Mcclain. In the end it’s all opinion anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, you’re right. It’s all opinion. But like I always say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one but some of them you wouldn’t come near and some of them you’d come inside of.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
you go into many many mma gyms around the country and alot of them have bruce lee pics all over the walls. Theres a reason for that. He is considered by many, to be the father of mma. the place i used to go to in MA, had his pics everywhere. the ufc did a special about it also. they called him the father of mma. he was the first person to intergrate other martial arts.
he combined many different forms. if anyone has ever watched the movie “enter the dragon” you will notice at the very beginning, the very first tap out i had ever seen. bruce got the guy in an arm bar, and made the guy tap. little things like that are missed by people who don’t know crap about bruce lee. [/quote]
Wait…you’re saying there are a lot of pictures of Bruce Lee on walls around the country? And Bruce Lee made a guy in a movie tap out?!?
Shit…I’m a big enough man to knwo when I’m wrong. I guess I was wrong.
“All of a sudden this huge bodybuilder came walking by, and I said to Bruce ‘Man, look at the arms on that guy’ I’ll never forget his reaction, he said ‘Yeah, he’s big, but is he powerful?’.”
Functional strength ftw
Bruce Lee = Badass
Young Arnold = Adonis
/endthread?
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The Bruce Lee bullshit is overblown. He was an actor, like Jackie Chan, and probably not much more dangerous.
Will there be no end to this ridiculousness…[/quote]
statements like this infuriate me to no end. Just cause a guy happened to make some movies, that suddenly erases his entire background of martial arts. many have done that with stephen seagal. Bruce lee started training at a very young age. he studied many different forms of martial arts. He went on to create his own unique fighting style. How many men can claim that? Hes just an actor? Thats truly laughable.
before he ever acted, he owned his own martial arts school. ASk chuck norris how good bruce lee was. hes been recorded as saying he was an incredible martial artist, and thats coming from a world karate champion. (yes, chuck norris was a world champion. at the time the big fight, that never happened, was chuck norris vs Bill superfoot wallace. they even made a movie together, but for some reason that fight never happened.
I hate those people that say, “oh, he was just an actor.” just cause a guy makes a movie or 2, so what. that doesn’t take away what he knows in martial arts. [/quote]
Wait - who gives a fuck about any of this?
Lots of dipshits own their own martial arts school and can’t fight worth a shit. Lots of guys “Create” their own fighting style or train in the Misty Mountains of China for a decade and come back super warriors.
It’s amazing that for how remarkable and legendary this dude is, there’s not one goddamned tape of him beating someone’s ass - all just second and third hand accounts.
Whatever. I’m a super invincible badass streetfighter too, just go as my cousin and his buddy in Hong Kong, they’ll swear it’s true.
Christ.
And also - fighting someone larger than you sucks ass. Big time. I hate it and try avidly to avoid doing it.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread sucks.
Everyone know GSP has a better physique and would wipe the floor with Lee and Arnold[/quote]
gsp fights in a controlled sport, with rules. in a street fight, bruce lee would eat up gsp for lunch. you give bruce lee a good year to learn grappling. forgot, bruce lee studied under a well renowned judo master after realizing he needed grappling work. can’t place the guys name.[/quote]
There was a lesson learned in Brock Lesner’s first MMA bout. Forgot his opponent but what it confirmed was that size kicks ass. At the end of that match Brock’s face was soft as a baby’s, his opponents was too - soft and bloody.
Edit -Arnold FTW[/quote]
Brock Lesner got his ass mollywhopped by Cain Valasquez and Brock outweighs Cain by at least 40 lbs.
Size =/= Ability to whoop ass.
[quote]anonym wrote:
“All of a sudden this huge bodybuilder came walking by, and I said to Bruce ‘Man, look at the arms on that guy’ I’ll never forget his reaction, he said ‘Yeah, he’s big, but is he powerful?’.”
Functional strength ftw[/quote]
To play devil’s advocate, “powerful” could be interpreted as being able to deliver 100% of his power into his strikes and movements. Basically can the bodybuilder actually fight or is he all show?
Stupid thread. It’s a bodybuilding forum, so the general view should be Arnold.
High school kids today look like Bruce Lee. Those of you impressed with Lee are focusing on a few POSED pics. Look at Lee in a more candid pic. Not much to brag about.
A young Arnold on his worst day is preferable over Lee on his best.
[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
“All of a sudden this huge bodybuilder came walking by, and I said to Bruce ‘Man, look at the arms on that guy’ I’ll never forget his reaction, he said ‘Yeah, he’s big, but is he powerful?’.”
Functional strength ftw[/quote]
To play devil’s advocate, “powerful” could be interpreted as being able to deliver 100% of his power into his strikes and movements. Basically can the bodybuilder actually fight or is he all show? [/quote]
Why would a bodybuilder (key word here: bodybuilder) care if he can “actually fight?” that’s not what bodybuilders do
I think may actually have been responsible for Lee’s death.
Lee died in July of 1973 and that month Arnold was a no-show at the Mr. Universe and in late July, only days after Lee’s death, Arnold was seen in Gold’s Gym Venice pulling several teeth from his knuckles between sets.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stupid thread. It’s a bodybuilding forum, so the general view should be Arnold.
High school kids today look like Bruce Lee. Those of you impressed with Lee are focusing on a few POSED pics. Look at Lee in a more candid pic. Not much to brag about.
A young Arnold on his worst day is preferable over Lee on his best. [/quote]
Exactly.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Why would a bodybuilder (key word here: bodybuilder) care if he can “actually fight?” that’s not what bodybuilders do[/quote]
Give that man a fucking prize.
I hate when I read stuff like that… “Who wins in a fight, a bodybuilder or a powerlifter?” Who gives a shit, the odds are neither knows what they are doing anyway and it’ll just be luck of the draw or whomever lands the first punch.
They train to lift weights. It doesn’t make them any tougher or able to hold their own than any other athlete.[/quote]
Yep. Fighters are fighters. Equal skill between them the bigger guy usually wins, movies and bs stories aside.
Why do you think we have weight classes. And Lesnar getting beat at the upper two hundreds and 40 lbs heavier is way different than some guy weighing 140 beating a guy who weighs 180 lbs.
As for some big strongman types and powerlifters. I’ve worked on Donni Thompson for example. I know he’s not a fighter, but I don’t see how I could hurt that guy without an eye poke or a twelve gauge. Yes, a trained fighter could, but he better be of decent size, not some 115 pound guy.