^^ I agree…it’s gotten boring.
[quote]Nards wrote:
^^ I agree…it’s gotten boring.[/quote]
No, he was saying it’s full of pussies.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
^^ I agree…it’s gotten boring.[/quote]
No, he was saying it’s full of pussies.[/quote]
LOL!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The Bruce Lee bullshit is overblown. He was an actor, like Jackie Chan, and probably not much more dangerous.
Will there be no end to this ridiculousness…[/quote]
statements like this infuriate me to no end. Just cause a guy happened to make some movies, that suddenly erases his entire background of martial arts. many have done that with stephen seagal. Bruce lee started training at a very young age. he studied many different forms of martial arts. He went on to create his own unique fighting style. How many men can claim that? Hes just an actor? Thats truly laughable.
before he ever acted, he owned his own martial arts school. ASk chuck norris how good bruce lee was. hes been recorded as saying he was an incredible martial artist, and thats coming from a world karate champion. (yes, chuck norris was a world champion. at the time the big fight, that never happened, was chuck norris vs Bill superfoot wallace. they even made a movie together, but for some reason that fight never happened.
I hate those people that say, “oh, he was just an actor.” just cause a guy makes a movie or 2, so what. that doesn’t take away what he knows in martial arts.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Bigjuicyhog wrote:
Lee appeared at the 1967 Long Beach International Karate Championships and performed various demonstrations, including the famous “unstoppable punch” against USKA world Karate champion Vic Moore.[37] Lee told Moore that he was going to throw a straight punch to the face, and all he had to do was to try and block it. Lee took several steps back and asked if Moore was ready, when Moore nodded in affirmation, Lee glided towards him until he was within striking range. He then threw a straight punch directly at Moore’s face, and stopped before impact. In eight attempts, Moore failed to block any of the punches[/quote]
this is from wikipedia right? obvi the most reliable source…
Is there any chance that Lee had talked to Vic Moore before hand and made an agreement with him to fail to block the punches? maybe for some monetary compensation? [/quote]
Go watch the video, then come back and claim it was a sham. Go ahead watch the video. to this day, i have never seen anyone with that kinda speed. not anyone even comes close. its hard to even see the punch. even when they showed it in slow motion it was fast has hell. many martial artists don’t beleive that martial arts should be used as a sport. they beleive it should be used as defense and to improve oneself.
you go into many many mma gyms around the country and alot of them have bruce lee pics all over the walls. Theres a reason for that. He is considered by many, to be the father of mma. the place i used to go to in MA, had his pics everywhere. the ufc did a special about it also. they called him the father of mma. he was the first person to intergrate other martial arts.
he combined many different forms. if anyone has ever watched the movie “enter the dragon” you will notice at the very beginning, the very first tap out i had ever seen. bruce got the guy in an arm bar, and made the guy tap. little things like that are missed by people who don’t know crap about bruce lee.
INC SATAN!!!
=D
[quote]behexen wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I have dabbled in Brazilian and Japanese ju-jitsu and Wing Chun. I have no reason whatsoever to call bullshit on Lee. In fact, it gives me even more reason to appreciate what he did and who he was.
As for your claim that he had no experience fighting, the guy was the two-time boxing champion in Hong Kong, which was before he really began to develop his own fighting system, Jeet Kune Do. There are also many, many witnesses who have seen Lee participate in numerous street fights and he has the criminal record in Hong Kong to prove it. It is also true that he had a longstanding challenge to anyone who felt they could take him in a fight. To my knowledge no one even bothered challenging him. I’d like to see one of these fag UFC fighters who are protected by rules put out a challenge like that.
The bag that Lee allegedly could make hit the ceiling also allegedly had no momentum to it; he kicked it once and it would hit the ceiling. Yes, I’m sure he pushed it as you described above, but to kick something that weighs 300lbs hard enough to move it 90 degrees does require some extension of the leg through the bag, hence the push. But I’d be willing to bet that there is no way in hell you could take a stationary, hanging bag and make it hit the ceiling even if you shoved it as hard as you can with both hands.
What I think is pathetic is that so many people on here who allege to be knowledgeable about the human body either dismiss Lee entirely because his feats “weren’t that impressive” (I’d be willing to also bet that there isn’t a single person making this dismissal who can even perform one two-finger, one-armed pushup, let alone rep them out like Lee did, ON VIDEO) or refuse to admit that there is any credence to his claims simply because some of them aren’t easily found on YouTube.
And as far as McClain goes, you obviously have ZERO experience fighting in ANY situation at all. Ask anyone with significant experience fighting either competitively or in the streets and they’ll all tell you they’d rather fight someone bigger than them due to the natural speed advantage the smaller person has. I’m pretty sure FightinIrish is a competitive boxer and I’d be willing to bet he does better against bigger opponents. Manny Pacquiao does better against bigger fighters as well. If you’re a real fighter and you’re fast, you’re probably going to do much better against bigger guys.
Sure, if the bigger guy gets his hands on you he could just smother you to death, much like that fat ass Roy Nelson. But against anyone with any sort of grappling/ju jitsu experience (which Lee had in spades) this size advantage is automatically nullified if they can’t grapple at least a little. Size, strength and running speed that translates well on the football field doesn’t mean shit in a fight. No, Lee would not “ragdoll” McClain, he’d just dance circles around him and pick him apart at his leisure. McClain? Really? Patrick Willis would beat the shit out of that pansy any day of the week by your standards. And Vernon Davis would decimate him as well.
I’ve never heard a single person who actually KNEW Lee call any of his feats bullshit or fabricated or unimpressive, but I sure have heard a lot of people who weren’t even alive when he died and whose knowledge of Lee is limited to a couple Internet rumors and “Enter the Dragon” pass judgment on him.[/quote]
If a UFC fighter put out a challenge like that they’d get in serious trouble. Now assuming they put out a challenge to anyone to step in the octagon they may be able to legally get away with it but alas then they’d be fighting under rules and you’d still call them pussies.
Like I said I have my doubts about the punching bag story, but the only way I could see it as credible is with the push. He surely didn’t knock it like that with just the impact of the kick.
As for Mcclain, I didn’t reference fighting, I was just saying overall ability with his body is vastly superior to that of Bruce Lee. Sure Bruce was strong for his size but that’s why there are weight classes in all competitions because it’s nearly impossible for a smaller guy to compete with a bigger guy. However even if they fought I think Mcclain would beat Lee. He’s to big and to strong, he’s friends with Tom Zibkowski whom has boxed proffesionally so I find it difficult to believe he doesn’t have any knowledge of the fight game. With that much of a size advantage he’d have to have no skills at all in order to not defend himself against a 135lb guy. Lee is more myth than anything. Mcclain earned his stripes on the field competing against other athletes.
As for the Manny Pacquiao argument. Who has he fought since moving up in weight? Cotto? Hatton? Margarito? Clottey? All guys were tailor made for him, Margarito was the only one that I thought had a chance and that was because of his workrate and chin not his size. If it’s easier for Manny to fight bigger fighters why doesn’t he challenge Sergio Martinez? Or better yet why not fight Mikkel Kessler? Hell he might just as well fight Vitali Klitschko because you know David Haye doesn’t want any part of him. Weight classes are made for a reason, a great big fighter beats a great little fighter any day. I’ve boxed bigger and smaller guys and it has more to do with style than it does anything. I was a pressure fighter, small speedy guys I could walk through their punches all day, I always felt in the fight because sooner or later I thought I could break them down. A big fighter takes the punches differently and typically can lay more heat on you than a smaller guy. It’s completly different. If it’s only 10 15lbs it’s not always to noticable but you get much more of a size disparity and i’ll take on the smaller guy. I have alot of respect for Irish as he obviously has some knowledge of the fight game so I hope he responds with his opinion on this.
I respect your opinion and enjoy the argument haha keep the debate going DB. Ravens play the 99ers in November so we’ll see what Willis can do with Mcclain.
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So in other words…you have no experience with any sort of fighting whatsoever and yet continue to pass opinion on it. Another irrelevant opinion. Good day sir.
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
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You aren’t scared?
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Is there any chance that Lee had talked to Vic Moore before hand and made an agreement with him to fail to block the punches? maybe for some monetary compensation? [/quote]
Go watch the video, then come back and claim it was a sham. Go ahead watch the video. to this day, i have never seen anyone with that kinda speed. not anyone even comes close. its hard to even see the punch. even when they showed it in slow motion it was fast has hell. many martial artists don’t beleive that martial arts should be used as a sport. they beleive it should be used as defense and to improve oneself.
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what does your comment HAVE ANYTHING TO DO with what I wrote? ANYTHING?
Did you also miss the parts about how shitty the camera speed was back then… no wonder someone quick was barely visual… The FPS were shit compared to now.
You still didnt address the possibility that Vic More and Lee had worked out a deal for him to purposefully miss his attempted blocks? (It was already mentioned in here that Vic and Lee were friends)
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
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You aren’t scared?[/quote]
Scared? Fuck no. I know the one-inch thrust!
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
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You aren’t scared?[/quote]
Scared? Fuck no. I know the one-inch thrust!
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You dominate the bitches with that move don’t you?
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
[/quote]
You aren’t scared?[/quote]
Scared? Fuck no. I know the one-inch thrust!
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You dominate the bitches with that move don’t you?[/quote]
Bitches all be screaming “Stoin!!! Stoin!!! Don’t stop whaeva you do!” That’s when I ramp it up…
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
[/quote]
You aren’t scared?[/quote]
Scared? Fuck no. I know the one-inch thrust!
[/quote]
You dominate the bitches with that move don’t you?[/quote]
Bitches all be screaming “Stoin!!! Stoin!!! Don’t stop whaeva you do!” That’s when I ramp it up…
[/quote]
Dragon Fist??
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Bigjuicyhog wrote:
Lee appeared at the 1967 Long Beach International Karate Championships and performed various demonstrations, including the famous “unstoppable punch” against USKA world Karate champion Vic Moore.[37] Lee told Moore that he was going to throw a straight punch to the face, and all he had to do was to try and block it. Lee took several steps back and asked if Moore was ready, when Moore nodded in affirmation, Lee glided towards him until he was within striking range. He then threw a straight punch directly at Moore’s face, and stopped before impact. In eight attempts, Moore failed to block any of the punches[/quote]
this is from wikipedia right? obvi the most reliable source…
Is there any chance that Lee had talked to Vic Moore before hand and made an agreement with him to fail to block the punches? maybe for some monetary compensation? [/quote]
Go watch the video, then come back and claim it was a sham. Go ahead watch the video. to this day, i have never seen anyone with that kinda speed. not anyone even comes close. its hard to even see the punch. even when they showed it in slow motion it was fast has hell. many martial artists don’t beleive that martial arts should be used as a sport. they beleive it should be used as defense and to improve oneself.
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I just watched that video…it’s some ninny shit for real
It’s akin to someone being really good at that hand slapping game (you know…you put your hands over someone elses open palms and they have to come up and around to slap the top of your hands) who the fuck cares?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]Stern wrote:
INC SATAN!!!
=D
[/quote]
You aren’t scared?[/quote]
Scared? Fuck no. I know the one-inch thrust!
[/quote]
You dominate the bitches with that move don’t you?[/quote]
Bitches all be screaming “Stoin!!! Stoin!!! Don’t stop whaeva you do!” That’s when I ramp it up…
[/quote]
Dragon Fist??[/quote]
ZOOOM Babeh! Right up to the elbow!
Didn’t Bruce Lee invent Jazzercise?
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
the ability to make a 300lb punching bag hit the ceiling with one side kick [/quote]
Bullshit, I think theres a lot more fol lore/legend surround bruce lee, kinda like the chuck norris phenomenon but less philosophical and less established.[/quote]
yes, its all legend, like his one arm 2 finger pushups, oh wait, you can view it on youtube. guess it isn’t a legend after all. is it.[/quote]
Did I ever say that it was ALL legend, dummy?
NO, I didn’t I picked the one that I KNEW was BULLSHIT. I didn’t even pick the 30 min flag cause that almost seems possible. I’m looking to physics to help persuade my decision. A 160lb dude kicks a 300lb bag and makes it hit the cieling?
Where is THAT youtube video? Where is the youtube video for the 30 minute flag? If it sounds ridiculous and there is no video I will not accept it
Out of all the magical feats listed you picked one and then generalize, atta guy…[/quote]
Bob Peoples pulled 732 pounds as an all time best with a double overhand grip, and only weighed 178 pounds at the time. (And that is WELL documented) I bet he could have ‘jerked’ 300 pounds to the ceiling had he wanted to. I don’t think the fact that he was a small guy factors.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The Bruce Lee bullshit is overblown. He was an actor, like Jackie Chan, and probably not much more dangerous.
Will there be no end to this ridiculousness…[/quote]
Dude. Do not compare Bruce Lee with the greatest fight choreographer/stuntman of all time.
Here’s what would happen if Lee and Arnold where to have a fight.
Lee gets confident and dismisses Arnold as a mere bodybuilder without ‘power’. Arnold suggests that they go to the gym first before the fight so he can at least do what he loves before getting killed. Lee sees Arnold doing some squats and good mornings with weights going upwards of 300 pounds.
Lee gets under the bar and starts doing good mornings and then assumes a face of agony. He puts the weight down and holds onto his back with both hands and calls it quits. Arnold is sympathetic and agrees to let Lee recover before the fight.
Arnold gives Lee some aspirin and suggests they smoke weed together to alleviate the pain. Arnold has a good time and so does Lee, until his brain swells from the weed and painkillers and he dies.