[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread sucks.
Everyone know GSP has a better physique and would wipe the floor with Lee and Arnold[/quote]
gsp fights in a controlled sport, with rules. in a street fight, bruce lee would eat up gsp for lunch. you give bruce lee a good year to learn grappling. forgot, bruce lee studied under a well renowned judo master after realizing he needed grappling work. can’t place the guys name.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread sucks.
Everyone know GSP has a better physique and would wipe the floor with Lee and Arnold[/quote]
gsp fights in a controlled sport, with rules. in a street fight, bruce lee would eat up gsp for lunch. you give bruce lee a good year to learn grappling. forgot, bruce lee studied under a well renowned judo master after realizing he needed grappling work. can’t place the guys name.[/quote]
There was a lesson learned in Brock Lesner’s first MMA bout. Forgot his opponent but what it confirmed was that size kicks ass. At the end of that match Brock’s face was soft as a baby’s, his opponents was too - soft and bloody.
Edit -Arnold FTW
This is a BBsite, right? Arnold.
Bruce Lee was a badass, though.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread sucks.
Everyone know GSP has a better physique and would wipe the floor with Lee and Arnold[/quote]
gsp fights in a controlled sport, with rules. in a street fight, bruce lee would eat up gsp for lunch. you give bruce lee a good year to learn grappling. forgot, bruce lee studied under a well renowned judo master after realizing he needed grappling work. can’t place the guys name.[/quote]
I guess your sarcasm detector isnt working but i’ll address your post either way… Your “Give Bruce Lee a good year to learn grappling…” argument is lame. You cant “give someone a year to learn” anything when comparing two people lol.
we’ll if there is a fight between Arnold and Bruce Lee just “Give Arnold 5 minutes to go grab a gun real quick”… lol
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
the ability to make a 300lb punching bag hit the ceiling with one side kick [/quote]
Bullshit, I think theres a lot more fol lore/legend surround bruce lee, kinda like the chuck norris phenomenon but less philosophical and less established.[/quote]
yes, its all legend, like his one arm 2 finger pushups, oh wait, you can view it on youtube. guess it isn’t a legend after all. is it.[/quote]
Did I ever say that it was ALL legend, dummy?
NO, I didn’t I picked the one that I KNEW was BULLSHIT. I didn’t even pick the 30 min flag cause that almost seems possible. I’m looking to physics to help persuade my decision. A 160lb dude kicks a 300lb bag and makes it hit the cieling?
Where is THAT youtube video? Where is the youtube video for the 30 minute flag? If it sounds ridiculous and there is no video I will not accept it
Out of all the magical feats listed you picked one and then generalize, atta guy…[/quote]
I’m just curious. Do you believe in God?[/quote]
Thanks for asking, Do I strike you as someone who believes in god or not?
Fuck no I don’t believe in god/a spirit, do you?[/quote]
I don’t want to derail this thread again. My point is that your refusal to believe some of Bruce Lee’s more amazing feats isn’t proof at all that they aren’t possible. I laugh at looking to physics to back you up. If you look to physics for answers you’ll find that the human body is physically capable of doing much more outlandish shit than making a 300lb punching bag hit the ceiling.
If you’re so confident it’s impossible, why don’t you use physics instead of your own uninformed opinion to show us Lee’s kicking ability is inaccurately described? And don’t give me this “the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim” bullshit. The burden of proof lies with the one demanding it.[/quote]
First of all I’m going to need the height of the ceiling, exact limb lengths, the weight of his limbs, the flooring material (for every action there is a equal/opposite reaction you know) also the material the bag was made of and filled with if I am to actually do this…
It’s all going to come down to something like “he would have to be accelerating his leg at xxx ft/seconds squared” to which ANYONE can say yea, THATS POSSIBLE, and I would agree like you said the human body can do crazy things. Theres no reason that someone can’t jump 30ft straight up, why not?
But is it PLAUSIBLE? no…Did he actually do it? no. This reminds me of the legends of strongmen of the late 1800’s.
So you believe in god then?[/quote]
Excuses, excuses.
Height of the ceiling: 8’, which means that the actual hook the bag hangs and pivots from is more like 7’8" off the ground. The top of the bag itself would then sit an additional 16" below that. The bag itself is approximately 5’ tall.
Limb length: Lee was 5’7", 145lbs and didn’t look to have abnormally-long legs by any means. I think with this information you could make a reasonable assumption of what his leg length/weight is. I wouldn’t hold it against you if you rounded up or down a pound/inch or two to better prop up your argument.
Flooring material: concrete slab, reinforced by rebar, approximately 6" deep ( a driveway or garage floor, basically)
Punching bag materials: made out of leather (about 1/8" thick) and filled with coarse sand.
Assume that this is performed at sea level and indoors. Assume that as Lee “glides” toward the bag he is moving at 5mph. Assume that Lee has a size 8 foot and is bare foot. Assume that the apparatus attaching the bag to the ceiling weighs 1 pound and that the chains the bag hangs on weigh an additional 7lbs. Assume that Lee’s leg is striking the bag at an angle parallel to the floor and perfectly perpendicular to the bag.
Have at it, pal. Prove me wrong.
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Sure thing buddy.
Problem is that now since you have described the situation enough, I am no longer impressed. Much less force is required to propel the bag around the pivot point (the hanger) than would be required to lift the bag straight up vertically with a kick…but my brain is craving some problem solving and I’ll see what I can do 
but all these little weiner feats of “strength/skill” are moot as shit and not even that impressive. It’s kinda like when someone makes up some very obscure world record attempt just to get their name in the book
Oh, and Arnold wins by a long shot…didn’t he win Mr.Olympia a time or two???[/quote]
You’re so full of shit it’s bubbling out of your mouth. What the fuck did you think the punching bag was hanging from? No pivot point? Did you think I was referring to a bag sitting on the ground? Of course not; you specifically asked for the height of the ceiling. Why? Because you thought he was kicking a stationary 300lb bag that was just sitting on the floor? No, because you assumed it was hanging from the ceiling. And now that you realize it isn’t nearly as implausible as you rashly/ignorantly assumed it to be, and it is still an impressive feat, you are simply backtracking and looking for an honorable exit strategy. Nice try. I’m smarter than I look.
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Look, obviously Arnold was much bigger and more developed, but I think Lee in his best physical shape was more than just skinny. And he was also more than 135-150. He was more like 165-170 at his best. Not his best fighting size though. Granted, even at 5’7" that’s still sounds pretty skinny.
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5’7" and 165lb is 25.8 on the BMI scale, technically overweight. Being overweight at ~5% bodyfat is not exactly skinny.[/quote]
You lend credence to the BMI? Then you are hereby an irrelevancy for the remainder of this thread. Vanish.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Look, obviously Arnold was much bigger and more developed, but I think Lee in his best physical shape was more than just skinny. And he was also more than 135-150. He was more like 165-170 at his best. Not his best fighting size though. Granted, even at 5’7" that’s still sounds pretty skinny.
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5’7" and 165lb is 25.8 on the BMI scale, technically overweight. Being overweight at ~5% bodyfat is not exactly skinny.[/quote]
You lend credence to the BMI? Then you are hereby an irrelevancy for the remainder of this thread. Vanish.[/quote]
BMI is just a ratio of height and weight. I’m just saying that at his biggest, he was not skinny. It’s not useful for determining if someone is fat and is a silly guideline for determining health, but it can determine if someone is small for his height.
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
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Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
There are movie star martial artists that I think are faster. Certainly plenty of people who are stronger. We’re lucky now to have combat sports that are competitive and well documented. I pretty much choose to ignore the Bruce Lee phenomenon. Much as he was attempting to create a modern fighting style, his accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Oh and Bruce Lee who could __________.
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Look, obviously Arnold was much bigger and more developed, but I think Lee in his best physical shape was more than just skinny. And he was also more than 135-150. He was more like 165-170 at his best. Not his best fighting size though. Granted, even at 5’7" that’s still sounds pretty skinny.
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5’7" and 165lb is 25.8 on the BMI scale, technically overweight. Being overweight at ~5% bodyfat is not exactly skinny.[/quote]
You lend credence to the BMI? Then you are hereby an irrelevancy for the remainder of this thread. Vanish.[/quote]
BMI is just a ratio of height and weight. I’m just saying that at his biggest, he was not skinny. It’s not useful for determining if someone is fat and is a silly guideline for determining health, but it can determine if someone is small for his height.[/quote]
Actually, I was going to restore your relevancy after I noticed your flawless explanation of the extreme difficulty involved with a one-arm, two-finger pushup compared to a 400lb bench press. You don’t have to vanish.
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
[/quote]
Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
His accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Bruce Lee who could __________. Oh and Loudog who could tickle a woman’s Vagee from 2 feet away.
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Fixed
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
[/quote]
Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
There are movie star martial artists that I think are faster. Certainly plenty of people who are stronger. We’re lucky now to have combat sports that are competitive and well documented. I pretty much choose to ignore the Bruce Lee phenomenon. Much as he was attempting to create a modern fighting style, his accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Oh and Bruce Lee who could __________.
[/quote]
When Bruce Lee was in film, scenes were shot at 24 frames/second. When Lee was in a scene, they shot everything at 36 frames/second and then slowed it down slightly so that people could actually see what he was doing. Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
[/quote]
Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
There are movie star martial artists that I think are faster. Certainly plenty of people who are stronger. We’re lucky now to have combat sports that are competitive and well documented. I pretty much choose to ignore the Bruce Lee phenomenon. Much as he was attempting to create a modern fighting style, his accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Oh and Bruce Lee who could __________.
[/quote]
When Bruce Lee was in film, scenes were shot at 24 frames/second. When Lee was in a scene, they shot everything at 36 frames/second and then slowed it down slightly so that people could actually see what he was doing. Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
True - I’d like to see either in action. However, much respect to chan as he does his own stunts - do the others?
Rosie Perez or Rosie O’Donnell?
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
[/quote]
Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
There are movie star martial artists that I think are faster. Certainly plenty of people who are stronger. We’re lucky now to have combat sports that are competitive and well documented. I pretty much choose to ignore the Bruce Lee phenomenon. Much as he was attempting to create a modern fighting style, his accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Oh and Bruce Lee who could __________.
[/quote]
When Bruce Lee was in film, scenes were shot at 24 frames/second. When Lee was in a scene, they shot everything at 36 frames/second and then slowed it down slightly so that people could actually see what he was doing. Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
True - I’d like to see either in action. However, much respect to chan as he does his own stunts - do the others?[/quote]
Also Chan is what 65 years old now?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Rosie Perez or Rosie O’Donnell?[/quote]
Pre White men can jump (ie "in living color) or post?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
yeaaaaah but what about this guy?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
yeaaaaah but what about this guy?[/quote]
Greg its about martial arts not an eating contest, wrong thread man.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
yeaaaaah but what about this guy?[/quote]
Greg its about martial arts not an eating contest, wrong thread man.[/quote]
Yes. I think you’re looking for the “help with rape” thread over in SAMA.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
[quote]MAsteve wrote:
I also post in a martial arts forum, can’t describe how many of these threads have descended into petty BS lol.
Fwiw Lee did compete in a bodybuilding show or two.
There is zero footage of Lee sparring with a non compliant partner/fighting
There is no evidence of Lee competing in any martial art
Lee was not a ‘natty’ there are a few writings, including most notably his wife’s book referencing Lee’s use of PEDs.
[/quote]
Basically this. Bruce Lee is more legend than anything else. I have no doubt that he was a great martial artist and pound for pound very strong, but in my mind there will always be a sense of illegitimacy to accomplishments he’s ascribed to.
There are movie star martial artists that I think are faster. Certainly plenty of people who are stronger. We’re lucky now to have combat sports that are competitive and well documented. I pretty much choose to ignore the Bruce Lee phenomenon. Much as he was attempting to create a modern fighting style, his accomplishments sounded a lot like those of masters from ages past. The Xing Yi master who killed a horse with a palm strike. The Tai Chi master that could throw people with just a touch. Oh and Bruce Lee who could __________.
[/quote]
When Bruce Lee was in film, scenes were shot at 24 frames/second. When Lee was in a scene, they shot everything at 36 frames/second and then slowed it down slightly so that people could actually see what he was doing. Also, and this is not legend since it was witnessed by about 30,000 people and captured on video, Lee performed an exhibition where he had the current world karate champion try to stop a direct punch to the face from Lee. Lee threw 8 punches and the guy couldn’t block a single one, even though he knew they were coming. Lee stopped each punch just short of his face. I doubt Jet Li or Jackie Chan or Jason Statham is THAT fast.[/quote]
True - I’d like to see either in action. However, much respect to chan as he does his own stunts - do the others?[/quote]
Also Chan is what 65 years old now? [/quote]
Yeah, but Lee has been dead for more than 30 years.
