[quote]Squelchy wrote:
OK, I hope you can forgive me for picking and choosing which bits of your post to address, but these replies are getting a bit long and there are complaints.
As a general response/point to much of what you’ve said along the lines of ‘you should really only try a couple of time proven approaches and make minor modifications to them’, I do somewhat agree, but I think there is room in there for being discerning in what you consider to be time proven approaches, and IMO people are being a bit silly by completely and utterly ignoring TBT as a possibility. I mean, really, what’s the worst that can happen if you spend a couple of months trying it out (you in general, not you specifically)? [/quote] Full-body training is not a system/approach as such, just a way to organize your training during the week… That’s why I didn’t mention it specifically.[quote]
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
What are they squatting and deadlifting? 135?
Yes. Well, that is hyperbolising a touch, but obviously lower weights than most here would be using. Which is my exact point. Less potential for injury, quicker recovery. [/quote] Could just as well train legs once a week and put 10-20 lbs on the bar (or even more onto the leg-press) almost every session and do that for quite some time… Beginner gains can allow for even faster progress. No need to hit the legs 3 times a week for that… That could, depending on the parameters used, become counter-productive very fast. [quote]
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Do you know?
Even if, considering that he’s posting here, doesn’t he want to become above-average? What soccer mums and clueless kids do is irrelevant, they switch category the day they learn about training/eating properly. Again, why mention them? Those that remain in that category are never going to make much progress at all.
And again, my point is why not try a couple of different routines to find out what one will bring you up to average quickest, see what you’re responding best to once you’re average, and then when you’re more advanced try something else again and see what you’re responding to then?
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I KNOW that other approaches work for some other people.
OK, wicked. So what are we arguing about then?
[/quote] You omitted the rest… Some can make progress on routines that’d have me stall even if I were a beginner again… Yet all of them generally still do very well or even better on a more “normal-person”-type routine. It’s not like there is one guy who only grows well on German Volume and can use that system from his beginner days to the day he reaches 300 lbs, while another guy needs to do Chad’s tbt and that works better for him than any other routine/approach out there and he can use it for 10 years straight…
Quite frankly, there are approaches that CAN be used for 10 years straight pretty much and have practically never failed a guy who does the training and intensity part right… Though this site is very isolated from the rest of the training-world when it comes to such topics. [quote]
Also, on the subject of me personally/my routine, I do like to practice what I preach and be open minded, so if you have any alternative suggestions for a new routine I could try out when my ankle is better then I’m all ears. Like I said, I like trying new things and different approaches so if you feel you have a better suggestion to make then I’m listening. Although I would remind you, even when my cast is off in a few weeks I still won’t be able to squat or deadlift, I’m stuck doing curls and extensions for my legs I’m afraid. But still, if you have any suggestions then I’m listening. [/quote] Shoot me a pm once you’re ready to train with some heavy weight again (preferably including heavy leg/back work, but if it’s not possible, then we’ll just have to deal with that…) and I’ll do my best to help you out.
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As for the quoting things you didn?t say thing, ha ha ha, you got me, that was an accident though.[/quote] I know, no worries. happened to me before as well. I was just writing those comments so that others reading the post wouldn’t become confused. (well…) [quote] My previous reply was so long I wrote it in MS Word, but I copied and pasted the code for quoting you to make things quicker/more convenient when replying and then forgot I was replying to somebody else. My bad.
[/quote] I thought you’d simply deleted the names on accident when removing other parts of the quote, but yeah, same result. [quote]
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And that wouldn’t sound forced at all? That’s like saying
“We welcome everyone in this country, even terrorists! All people have a right to live, no matter what things they’ve done/are going to do!”.
I think that’s a little ridiculous. Acknowledging that different routines will work for different people is not the same thing as that and you know it.[/quote]
Of course, but you commented on me saying that there is no split routine in the articles here that I’d ever consider using or would suggest to a anyone looking for long term progress while staying injury free and maybe being a natty to boot.
See, my problem isn’t, as I mentioned, acknowledging that some people can grow/get stronger continuously on routines that average guys or others in general would stall on… (case in point, bauer/waylander vs me/X/etc), my issue here was the way splits are usually constructed (exercise/rep/set/etc-wise) in the articles here that makes them unsuitable for long-term use by people with average genetics who want to get huge/strong as fast as possible. Almost all the stuff on here is made for short-term 3-12 week cycles and then you’d likely stall due to the volume etc…
That has nothing to do with a high-way/my way approach.
What I’m getting at with the terrorist-comment is that not EVERY routine on the planet is great for someone.
Also, “works for” is such a vague thing to say.
If I gain a pound or 3 over 12 weeks as a beginner on one of these routines, it did “work”. It made me bigger… Or maybe it’s fat, whatever.
Thing is, the results don’t justify the work put in.
Almost all routines “work” if you just eat enough… Though most of them will not allow for great results, especially long-term.
Anyway, enough of this now. I wish you a swift recovery and once you’re out of your cast, we’ll talk about this stuff again.
