Hey! So I’m looking for a good overall cycle that will help me lose all my excess fat while simultaneously building muscle. I was considering a anavar/Winstrol/clen cycle but I’m still not sure yet. I have a pretty low body fat already just my chest and lower torso. Any advice?
The best cycle for you is 5-7 years more of hard training and good diet.
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I agree. I suspect that the 2007 in OP’s user name might be his birth year.
If that’s the case OP, please don’t consider using steroids. If you are 16, you could mess a lot of things up for yourself. If you want help with your goals list out your training and diet. A lot can be done naturally for you IMO, because you aren’t very close to your natural limit.
I’d also take down the pictures at this point if you are ~16. They will not help much, because I don’t think anyone here will give a 16 y/o cycle advice.
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To clarify I WAS NOT BORN IN 2007!!! I’m 23 years old in a month lol. My username was from my old Xbox 360 gamer tag:sob:
I apologize for any confusion and inconvenience I will take the post down and change my username if needed 
You do not need to take your post down nor change your name. It was just an assumption/question. Its an open forum and we see a lot of young folks on here. Regardless your best course of action would be to cut first and then reassess. What does your training program specifically look like? I assume you know what days, exercises, weights, etc you do every week.
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Cycle some carbs and calories to lose weight. AAS build muscle.
If you’re really untrained or overweight you could pull off a recomp. In your case I’d focus on just building muscle.
Not the worst thing on the internet, but close. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with a Var-only cycle to get into this, test the waters, for 6 weeks or so. Others will certainly disagree with that. Don’t know why you’d take Winny with it tho? Think your best bet is to focus on muscle gain tho, worry about fat loss later. Good luck
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Yes I train Tuesday,Thursday and Saturday
I’m a smaller guy 5’8 165lbs
Tuesday -back and bi
Thursday-chest tri
Saturday-legs and core
My diet is strictly low fat high protein. A lot of eggs and meat and oats.
Thank you for the advice! I heard that Winstrol was similar to anavar but more powerful/harder on the liver so I thought putting them together would maximize my results. I’m new to steroids lol But I guess that’s why I’m here I’m not an expert
So am I, but you could one day get to be about 200lbs semi lean. It will take a lot of time and commitment.
Not specific enough. Lay out each exercise, weight, sets, reps etc. Personally for any serious lifter I think 4 day a week split is the minimum I would attack. Three days… meh.
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I think adding in another day at the gym as @blshaw is recommending will aid in building muscle and in turn help burn a little fat. You also don’t mention any cardio. You could try 20 min a few times per week.
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I do cardio on Tuesday and Friday. If you guys think I need to add an extra day I’m more than willing to make time. Also is anavar only my best option?
Can I use it with clen?
Don’t use either of these. Diet and proper training is all you need.
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I am going to come off a little harsher in my response than many. I know pics can be misleading, and not show you in the best light. IMO, your pics make you look “soft.” Most that look soft are also relatively weak.
What kind of weight are you lifting on major compound movements? As in:
- How many reps can you bench press 245lbs? (1.5 times your body weight)
- How many reps can you squat 330lbs? (2 times your body weight)
- How many pullups (or chin-ups) can you do?
IMO, this is a very poor cycle for anything positive to happen. Forget about clenbuterol altogether. It is a fine tuning contest drug. You are not even close. Anavar and Wintrol are both low androgen AAS. You could shut down your own testosterone and deal with low androgens. ED could become your companion.
I strongly agree. Most upper body muscles need stimulation twice a week. Plus you could have a heavy leg day and a light leg day. (we have no idea if you have any leg development.)
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OP, I’m estimating your BF% around 17%, making your FFMI a meager 21. Expect needing to be 25+ to even look like you lift wearing clothes.
Try eating like an adult who wants to put on size, and training like you want to get big.
Without you flexing, I doubt I could tell if you even lift. You are not in a position to take any steroids whatsoever.
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I have a feeling that improving what he does on the three days would have more impact then continuing on how he is with 4 days. Not saying 4 days isn’t better. For most it is.
I think OP checked out, but I’d like to hear what exercises he is doing, how he has progressed on those. How he plans on progressing in the future.
I have a feeling something like back and bi means lat pull down and bicep curls (probably several versions). I think if it meant deadlifts, rows, chins / pullups, a hamstring / glute exercise, then some curls it might be pretty good. His physique says it’s the former. If it’s the latter, I don’t think he has been doing it very long.
I’d bet OP would make better progress in a year doing starting strength followed by 5/3/1 with a decent diet natty than if he continued down his training path and included a cycle.
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Agreed completely. Young guys should focus on the big lifts and CNS adaptation for further increases in strength down the road.
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Zero need for AAS. Lots of need for getting the fuck after it training, and eating. Without that base in place, for a good period of time, AAS is, well, a waste. Might come off cold, but personally, don’t need to see what the 3 day split looks like, because honestly, it doesnt look like the OP trains in any meaningful, consistent way. AAS used as a shortcut,
usually doesn’t pay dividends years down the road. Training seriously, consistently, while getting a firm handle on how to eat does. Start there.
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If ur an 07 boy the best cycle u could run atm is the following: consistent gym rountine 6 times a week, a calorie deficit of 300-500 until u stop loosing weight, which at that point add another 300-500 cals to your deficit u til you reach ur desired bodyfat. Eat around 1.2-2g protein per pound bw.
“weight” until ur atleast in your early 20s before you start dabbling with hormones, learning everything about them until u get to that point.
If you are really set on doing a cycle at 16, i and many others pray u did ur research, do it smartley and safely, and dont fuckup.
If however you are not 16 id suggest using 500mg testosterone enanthate weekly split into 2 injections for 12 - 20 weeks at most and maybe add in an oral somepoint throughout the cycle.
-make sure you have done your research and know evrrything lol.
-Make sure to have a pct or b&c planned out before hand.
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make sure u have health supports on hand.
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make sure your lifestyle, training and nutrition is dialed in.
-follow the calorie deficit plan i layed out in the first paragraph.
-Alternatively, u could could first without use of drugs and the use them once your lean to build muscle.
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