Newbie. Cycle/PCT Advice.

Pharma / TRT
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Hi guys,

I am a LONG time reader. First time poster.
I have been researching AAS for about 1 year now, so I have good idea of what I am doing.
I am 21years old, weight about 205pounds @ about 18%bodyfat.
I am at my natural peak.

This will be my first cycle.

My goal is to reduce body-fat, maintain muscle and put on some lean mass.

I have already written up a cycle and PCT. I would like some advice as to the cycle and PCT (friends have suggested that I may have gone overboard with PCT.)After the cutting is complete, I hope to go on a bulking cycle in a few months but that is another story.

Training will focus on compound movements (Squats, Deadlifts and Benchpress) with some isolation movements thrown in. Diet will consist of 5-7 high protein, medium fat, low carb meals a day (pre-post workout meals will have high carb also.)

The cycle:
Weeks 1-6 Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/every other day
Weeks 1-6 Clenbuterol 60mcg 3x a day.
Weeks 1-8 Proviron 50mg/day

PCT:
Weeks 9.5-11.5 150mg/day clomid
Weeks 9.5-13.5 40mg/day nolvadex
Weeks 11.5-13.5 50mg/day clomid

I would appreciate any advice in terms of the components of the cycle, dosages and PCT, relative to my goals. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

Regards,
LiftEatSleep.

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[quote]LiftEatSleep wrote:

I am 21years old, weight about 205pounds @ about 18%bodyfat.
I am at my natural peak.
[/quote]
No, you are not. 170 lbs of lean mass…

I’ll assume you’re including direct back exercises and cardio. The general diet scheme seems good.

Since you haven’t used before I would suggest pyramiding the clen dose so you know how it affects you. Try per day in mcg 20/20/20/40/40/40/60/60/60 and then stay at 60 or continue up to a max of 120mcg/day (or less if you feel the effects are pronounced enough, don’t take more than what is necessary).

I would suggest to run clen in two week cycles as it loses its potency as you adapt to its affects. You can run an OTC thermogenic like HOT-ROX, caffeine, or ephedra during the “off” weeks (2on/2off). Taper up to 60mg/day (or whatever dose you choose) x 2weeks (including taper), then 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, etc.

You might want to split the winstrol protocol and run it for weeks 1-3 and then 6-8. Given the clen protocol, it would be less stressful on your liver to do it this way. You have three liver-toxic compounds, so I would also suggest that you take a good amount of some general liver-health supplements like milk thistle, Liv-52, etc. You should be able to search for these, but someone else might post them (I can’t remember any others).

The testosterone protocol looks good, as does proviron.

With the test prop, and the low dose of it, you can start PCT beginning week 9. I would suggest using just Nolvadex, or even just Clomid if you prefer, but not both. Besides, this cycle isn’t too extreme and it’s fairly short. Go with Nolva at mg/day/week 40/30/20/10. If you have only 20mg tabs then go with 40/40/20/20.

You laid out a very good cycle considering you’ve never used, so you’ve been doing your homework. It really does make us more willing to help and answer your questions in-depth. This cycle is short and mild–a great place to start. If you dial in your nutrition you should have great results.

That being said, you are nowhere near your natural potential and proper diet and training alone would still provide you a lot of progress. I don’t disagree with your choice to use AAS to improve yourself, even at 21, as you’ve shown a good general knowledge of their use and have chosen something mild, and even included PCT! (something a lot of beginners forget about).

Remember that AAS are like an accelerator. If you’re making progress they will help increase that rate of progress. If you aren’t making progress they will likely not do much for you.

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Just to add a bit to was schwartz has said. I also like the idea of splitting the winni up and would suggest weeks 1-3 and 7-9. Id also up the prop dosage to 1.5 cc EOD if its 100 mg per ml as your test dose will remain just over the 500 mg per wk at that level.

Main reason being is that during weeks 4-6 you would only be using 350 mg per week of test at 100 mg EOD.

Start pct week 10 at 40/20/20 with the nolva. (2 days after last prop shot)
If you are only consuming 5 meals per day make sure they consist of at least 50 grams of protein a piece. Id shoot for more than that as you dont want to burn off any potential muscle with the clen use and lack of enough calories. The 7 x 40-50 grams would be much better.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
LiftEatSleep wrote:

I am 21years old, weight about 205pounds @ about 18%bodyfat.
I am at my natural peak.

No, you are not. 170 lbs of lean mass…

Training will focus on compound movements (Squats, Deadlifts and Benchpress) with some isolation movements thrown in. Diet will consist of 5-7 high protein, medium fat, low carb meals a day (pre-post workout meals will have high carb also.)

I’ll assume you’re including direct back exercises and cardio. The general diet scheme seems good.

The cycle:
Weeks 1-6 Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/every other day
Weeks 1-6 Clenbuterol 60mcg 3x a day.
Weeks 1-8 Proviron 50mg/day

PCT:
Weeks 9.5-11.5 150mg/day clomid
Weeks 9.5-13.5 40mg/day nolvadex
Weeks 11.5-13.5 50mg/day clomid

Since you haven’t used before I would suggest pyramiding the clen dose so you know how it affects you. Try per day in mcg 20/20/20/40/40/40/60/60/60 and then stay at 60 or continue up to a max of 120mcg/day (or less if you feel the effects are pronounced enough, don’t take more than what is necessary).

I would suggest to run clen in two week cycles as it loses its potency as you adapt to its affects. You can run an OTC thermogenic like HOT-ROX, caffeine, or ephedra during the “off” weeks (2on/2off). Taper up to 60mg/day (or whatever dose you choose) x 2weeks (including taper), then 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, etc.

You might want to split the winstrol protocol and run it for weeks 1-3 and then 6-8. Given the clen protocol, it would be less stressful on your liver to do it this way. You have three liver-toxic compounds, so I would also suggest that you take a good amount of some general liver-health supplements like milk thistle, Liv-52, etc. You should be able to search for these, but someone else might post them (I can’t remember any others).

The testosterone protocol looks good, as does proviron.

With the test prop, and the low dose of it, you can start PCT beginning week 9. I would suggest using just Nolvadex, or even just Clomid if you prefer, but not both. Besides, this cycle isn’t too extreme and it’s fairly short. Go with Nolva at mg/day/week 40/30/20/10. If you have only 20mg tabs then go with 40/40/20/20.

You laid out a very good cycle considering you’ve never used, so you’ve been doing your homework. It really does make us more willing to help and answer your questions in-depth. This cycle is short and mild–a great place to start. If you dial in your nutrition you should have great results.

That being said, you are nowhere near your natural potential and proper diet and training alone would still provide you a lot of progress. I don’t disagree with your choice to use AAS to improve yourself, even at 21, as you’ve shown a good general knowledge of their use and have chosen something mild, and even included PCT! (something a lot of beginners forget about).

Remember that AAS are like an accelerator. If you’re making progress they will help increase that rate of progress. If you aren’t making progress they will likely not do much for you.[/quote]

Thank you for the excellent and comprehensive advice.
When I said natural peak, I perhaps just said that to avoid getting flamed, i.e As someone who wants a get big quick fix. I am putting on size at a good rate and as you mentioned, I would like to accelerate the rate at which I can cut/bulk hence the move on to the next level(AAS).

In terms of training, yes direct back exercises and cardio will be included.

I will take your advice on the Clen, as I heard that your body does indeed adapt to the affects. I had read somewhere that it will work for up to 6 weeks, so this is why I thought I’d see it through in one go. Will run HOT-ROX or Man Scorch in between.

Winstrol, will be split now from weeks 1-3 and weeks 6-8. I would be comfortable doing this, as I was a bit afraid of the effects on the liver here. I was already going to take a liver supplement. Was just wondering, will the affect of the Winstrol be less prominent in running it in 3 week cycles, rather than a single 6 week cycle?

PCT, I will move it up to week 9.

Again, thanks for the input. Hopefully I will take some more advice and re-post the cycle with the suggested changes soon.

BTW, I was planning to commence the cycle in approximately 5 or 6 weeks.

Thanks,
LiftEatSleep.

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Just to add a bit to was schwartz has said. I also like the idea of splitting the winni up and would suggest weeks 1-3 and 7-9. Id also up the prop dosage to 1.5 cc EOD if its 100 mg per ml as your test dose will remain just over the 500 mg per wk at that level.

Main reason being is that during weeks 4-6 you would only be using 350 mg per week of test at 100 mg EOD.

Start pct week 10 at 40/20/20 with the nolva. (2 days after last prop shot)
If you are only consuming 5 meals per day make sure they consist of at least 50 grams of protein a piece. Id shoot for more than that as you dont want to burn off any potential muscle with the clen use and lack of enough calories. The 7 x 40-50 grams would be much better.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice.
1.5 cc EOD…will consider this.
Although it has muddled my thinking about a little bit,
some clarification here would be appreciated.

PCT will play around with for sure, will see what everyone says.

Protein intake, I will aim for 7 meals a day. However, 5 meals would be the absolute lowest on a bad day.Ideally, 7 x 40-50 days will be the goal.

Thanks again,
LiftEatSleep.

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Hi everyone,

I have been researching further and have come up with the latest cycle and PCT. I hope that this is the final plan. Again, I would appreciate any comments and suggestions:

The cycle:
Weeks 1-3 Winstrol 50mg/day
Weeks 6-8 Winstrol 50mg/day (total 6 weeks.)
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/every other day
Weeks 1+2 Clenbuterol Pyramid scheme.
Weeks 5+6 Clenbuterol Pyramid scheme. MCG per day 20/20/20/40/40/40/60/60/60 (total 4 weeks.)
Weeks 1-8 Proviron 50mg/day

PCT:
Week 9 40mg/day nolvadex
Week 10 30mg/day nolvadex
Week 11 20mg/day nolvadex
Week 12 10mg/day nolvadex

My only question now is in terms of the Clen. I have scheduled its use for 4 weeks.
2 on and 2off, then 2 on again.

Is it advisable to run another 2 weeks (weeks 9+10) Could this have any possible impact or interference with PCT?

Thanks,
LifeEatSleep.