[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone base their own actions on the actions of someone else? [/quote]
You’re asking the lemmings? Welcome to the USA!
LOL
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
zyzz’s physique was about lines not mass so he transcended the whole natty/not debate similarly to frank zane[/quote]
we’re in the weird part of T-Nation again[/quote]
cool joke, spaghetti. what’s your opinion on ulisses jr though or did you just pop in to hate on zyzz?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone base their own actions on the actions of someone else? [/quote]
You’re asking the lemmings? Welcome to the USA!
LOL
[/quote]
I guess you’re right. If you want to compete in natural shows, then do so…but worrying about what Bob does is pointless. There isn’t one line of work today where someone isn’t cutting corners. You could basically apply the same logic to being a CPA and then claim you won’t be one because you know of some who lied and cheated on tax statements.
Live your life and quit worrying about others.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone base their own actions on the actions of someone else? [/quote]
You’re asking the lemmings? Welcome to the USA!
LOL
[/quote]
I guess you’re right. If you want to compete in natural shows, then do so…but worrying about what Bob does is pointless. There isn’t one line of work today where someone isn’t cutting corners. You could basically apply the same logic to being a CPA and then claim you won’t be one because you know of some who lied and cheated on tax statements.
Live your life and quit worrying about others.[
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[quote]23278 wrote:
This is the arm that I’m using peptides on. Pretty damn impressive roided out arm, isn’t it?
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
In our forum, we have a guy who claims natural and competes as one but uses steroids, fat-burners and peptides. It’s a joke and a travesty. [/quote]
He’s talking about me.
But I’m confused about the steroids part. I don’t use them. Please don’t go making claims like that, as I am very proud of the physique I have built.
The only thing I’m using is a peptide, but I’m hardly bodybuilding with it. I’m using it to speed the healing of arm, the one in my avatar, that I had surgery on and that I can barely curl 15lbs with. I’m sorry it disheartens you that I’m using it during therapy. If you’re a bodybuilder that had to choose between 1 year to full recovery or 4-6 months to full recovery, what would you do?[/quote]
Do you want me to respond on the open forum or via PM?
[quote]23278 wrote:
This is the arm that I’m using peptides on. Pretty damn impressive roided out arm, isn’t it?
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
In our forum, we have a guy who claims natural and competes as one but uses steroids, fat-burners and peptides. It’s a joke and a travesty. [/quote]
He’s talking about me.
But I’m confused about the steroids part. I don’t use them. Please don’t go making claims like that, as I am very proud of the physique I have built.
The only thing I’m using is a peptide, but I’m hardly bodybuilding with it. I’m using it to speed the healing of arm, the one in my avatar, that I had surgery on and that I can barely curl 15lbs with. I’m sorry it disheartens you that I’m using it during therapy. If you’re a bodybuilder that had to choose between 1 year to full recovery or 4-6 months to full recovery, what would you do?[/quote]
Im not here to debate your bull shit ethics but if youve used drugs and compete as a lifetime natural youre a punk ass dick head. Plain and Simple.
Rationalize it however youd like. No one who thinks the way I do cares about your “justifications”. And I assume you dont care what people like me think about you. I just feel bad for the organization(s) you compete in because youre A PART of the integrity problem that natural bodybuilding has.
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I absolutely will not respond to any counter arguement you make. This is a black and white issue. No opinion exchange beyond what Ive already stated is necessary.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
This is the arm that I’m using peptides on. Pretty damn impressive roided out arm, isn’t it?
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
In our forum, we have a guy who claims natural and competes as one but uses steroids, fat-burners and peptides. It’s a joke and a travesty. [/quote]
He’s talking about me.
But I’m confused about the steroids part. I don’t use them. Please don’t go making claims like that, as I am very proud of the physique I have built.
The only thing I’m using is a peptide, but I’m hardly bodybuilding with it. I’m using it to speed the healing of arm, the one in my avatar, that I had surgery on and that I can barely curl 15lbs with. I’m sorry it disheartens you that I’m using it during therapy. If you’re a bodybuilder that had to choose between 1 year to full recovery or 4-6 months to full recovery, what would you do?[/quote]
Im not here to debate your bull shit ethics but if youve used drugs and compete as a lifetime natural youre a punk ass dick head. Plain and Simple.
Rationalize it however youd like. No one who thinks the way I do cares about your “justifications”. And I assume you dont care what people like me think about you. I just feel bad for the organization(s) you compete in because youre A PART of the integrity problem that natural bodybuilding has.
edit
I absolutely will not respond to any counter arguement you make. This is a black and white issue. No opinion exchange beyond what Ive already stated is necessary. [/quote]
I enjoyed the way this was so bluntly stated.
lol… Busted!
lol i sorta don’t even belive guys in here who say they are 100% natural.
iv met few naturals here in aus, i no what there on, and it annoys me, they are complete fucking idiots who just lie and pretend its all their hard work that seperates them from others who wanna stay natural who look up to them, if they admited to it i honest couldn’t care. But thats like any sport i guess. even at gym we get kids who randomly swell right up and then dissapear rapidly, who say its a change in diet, or some other bullshit, yet i no the guy selling them the stuff.
i don’t care if you juice your nuts off, just don’t lie about it. Go compete in same class but where they accept steroids and other drugs.
Bonez, you are right. No matter my reasoning I am still using a drug of sorts. I’ll never deny using it and I feel my reason is just, so judge me how you wish. But you are getting a little ahead of yourself with some of the claims. I have not competed since using it and will be out for quite a while. I am not part of any problem nor have I hurt the integrity of this sport. I suppose if I decide to do a INBF/WNBF show sometime years from now you can make that claim.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Do you want me to respond on the open forum or via PM? [/quote]
Open is fine man.
What bothers me the most is that you have come out and claimed that I use steroids. This doesn’t affect or hurt my credibility of anything I compete in. I’m a newbie to competing and haven’t done anything except small NPC shows in my region. I usually would not care. However, I’ve been doing my best to give good advice and help to the those who have PM’d me because they see what I did without drugs. Now they may come across this thread and lose hope of ever accomplishing the same, because you’ve made me out to be a drug user.
If I decide to use drugs and compete, I won’t make any claims of being natty and I won’t be doing any natty shows. I’ll also be shooting to walk around at 270. Be really hard to make that claim then. 
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
What happened? (haven’t kept up much lately, sry)
[/quote]
I tore my lower bicep tendon off the bone.
Kiyoshi moody is pretty good
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
Kiyoshi moody is pretty good[/quote]
not sure if srs
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
Kiyoshi moody is pretty good[/quote]
not sure if srs[/quote]
LOL
[quote]23278 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Do you want me to respond on the open forum or via PM? [/quote]
Open is fine man.
What bothers me the most is that you have come out and claimed that I use steroids. This doesn’t affect or hurt my credibility of anything I compete in. I’m a newbie to competing and haven’t done anything except small NPC shows in my region. I usually would not care. However, I’ve been doing my best to give good advice and help to the those who have PM’d me because they see what I did without drugs. Now they may come across this thread and lose hope of ever accomplishing the same, because you’ve made me out to be a drug user.
If I decide to use drugs and compete, I won’t make any claims of being natty and I won’t be doing any natty shows. I’ll also be shooting to walk around at 270. Be really hard to make that claim then. :P[/quote]
Come on man. I went back and checked your post history because I was so surprised when I saw your latest thread in the Steroids forum. You were planning on using Winstrol in a cutting cycle. Your latest plan involves Deca. You mean to tell me you planned to lose your ‘AAS virginity’ on a Winstrol cycle?
Using steroids doesn’t mean you have to be 270. Plenty of ‘natural’ bodybuilders are using plenty and walking around sub 200 lbs. I still don’t know how you can claim to be natty when you are using all of these drugs.
CC is my fav natty bb’er.
[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
CC is my fav natty bb’er. [/quote]
Same here. Love gimmick accounts. Especially 300 lb natty ones.
*255 lb.
And what happened with you anyway… Too much reading GH15? I mean, since you love gimmick accounts and all.
Happy new year, anyway.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Do you want me to respond on the open forum or via PM? [/quote]
Open is fine man.
What bothers me the most is that you have come out and claimed that I use steroids. This doesn’t affect or hurt my credibility of anything I compete in. I’m a newbie to competing and haven’t done anything except small NPC shows in my region. I usually would not care. However, I’ve been doing my best to give good advice and help to the those who have PM’d me because they see what I did without drugs. Now they may come across this thread and lose hope of ever accomplishing the same, because you’ve made me out to be a drug user.
If I decide to use drugs and compete, I won’t make any claims of being natty and I won’t be doing any natty shows. I’ll also be shooting to walk around at 270. Be really hard to make that claim then. :P[/quote]
Come on man. I went back and checked your post history because I was so surprised when I saw your latest thread in the Steroids forum. You were planning on using Winstrol in a cutting cycle. Your latest plan involves Deca. You mean to tell me you planned to lose your ‘AAS virginity’ on a Winstrol cycle?
Using steroids doesn’t mean you have to be 270. Plenty of ‘natural’ bodybuilders are using plenty and walking around sub 200 lbs. I still don’t know how you can claim to be natty when you are using all of these drugs. [/quote]
get a clue dawg hes natural as long as he doesnt use creatine