Best Martial Art to Enroll Daughters In?

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[quote]Miss Parker wrote:

I just now walked in the door from an hour of sparring the Gorgeous Bastard. I’m 5’7" & weigh 140 (yeah, I’ve gained some weight!!), he’s 6’4" & 240#'s. Guess what happened every time we went to the ground? He flipped me over like a barbie doll & beat the shit out of me. I stand by my assertion that groundfighting will not be useful as a primary method of self defense for females without years of training.

#1 - run away
#2 - stand up strikes, fight dirty & hard
#3 - groundfighting[/quote]

Guess what else? The guy you trained with also does BJJ so he’s not some random moron from off the street. Besides, how many men his size are walking around? Also, do you think you would have a better chance trying to stand with him? As far as 3#: you just might not have a choice.

I would also add that if he is beating the shit out of you, and the instructor is present, that you should switch schools.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Guess what else? The guy you trained with also does BJJ so he’s not some random moron from off the street. Besides, how many men his size are walking around?
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Does it matter? You have no idea how big the person who might attack you will be.

The point of staying standing is so you can GET AWAY. You can’t do that on the ground. If you’re standing up and the guy grabs you but you keep your feet, you can shove a finger in his eye or rip some hair out of his head and buy some time to get the fuck out. If you’re on the ground, you’re in a world of hurt.

[quote]
I would also add that if he is beating the shit out of you, and the instructor is present, that you should switch schools. [/quote]

Stop being pretentious- I think Parker is more than capable of figuring out what school is good for her. She ain’t a part time poster here.

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ok,
My Daughter is 9 and taking Tae kwon do. My son is 13 and taking Machado JiuJitsu from a master who teaches marines, special forces, police, and such… She rolls with them occasionally.

I’ve gotta go with a fusion of Irish and Miss Parker…

The most important defense is situational awareness, and understanding that some people are evil.
Next is the presence people project.
Way down there is the ability to physically resist.

However any combat or martial arts will give the person confidence to carry themselves… That is why my daughter takes MA… Confidence, empowerment, and awareness.

But when the time comes she will be taking rape prevention / self defense course. Very different. Hopefully mutually reinforcing.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I think some of you miss the point. The majority of rapes are not by some psycho hiding n the bushes but by acquaintances. They also take place inside a home. Therefore, grappling is not an option but a reality.

The poster who says he’s a 240 pound blue belt: did you think that maybe it’s not just being 240 that makes it easy for you to roll with a female but the fact that you also know BJJ? Besides, how many women go on dates with 240 pound men who end up trying to rape them? Of course some guys are much bigger but the average rapist is probably the same size as the average man and in just as bad shape. Also, a victim of a violent crime doesn’t always have to defeat the attacker but put up enough of a fight for him to give up or create the chance to escape. [/quote]

The girl that rolls with me in my camp is also a blue belt and does extremely well against other women her size. She does not fare well against other males her size even if they have little experience simply due to the huge difference in strength. BJJ will not put up enough of a fight to allow you to get away. BJJ is about getting close enough to the opponent to submit them through chokes or joint locks which is the opposite of what a female would want to do when trying to avoid being raped.

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[quote]Null wrote:
ok,
My Daughter is 9 and taking Tae kwon do. My son is 13 and taking Machado JiuJitsu from a master who teaches marines, special forces, police, and such… She rolls with them occasionally.

I’ve gotta go with a fusion of Irish and Miss Parker…

The most important defense is situational awareness, and understanding that some people are evil.
Next is the presence people project.
Way down there is the ability to physically resist.

However any combat or martial arts will give the person confidence to carry themselves… That is why my daughter takes MA… Confidence, empowerment, and awareness.

But when the time comes she will be taking rape prevention / self defense course. Very different. Hopefully mutually reinforcing.

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That’s a good plan.

Here’s part of an old Self-defense video by Macyoung. If they’re not teaching you this, or things like it, it’s not “self-defense”, but a fighting art. No one I ever ran into taught me this kind of shit- I had to look it up on my own. Which is a shame.

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Thanks, Irish. Null, good for you for training your kids with such a sharp eye for the real world!

I overstated when I said GB was beating the shit out of me. I am not injured. I just mean he consistently whipped me with little apparent effort because he’s strong as an ox & using it against me. He does this at my request because I’m trying to learn to face someone far larger & stronger than me who will hit me hard enough to rock me, but has enough control to not send me to the hospital.

In return he lets me punch him in the balls, “dig” my fingers into his eyes & throat, bite him, head butt him & elbow him. I believe these are effective tactics for me to master. And as for the unlikelyness of being attacked by someone his size & skill level, so what? If I can learn to hold my own against GB, I think I have a better chance at prevailing over a smaller man with lesser skills.

And I get a just little bit better every session, so hurray for me. :slight_smile:

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Excellent video! Thanks for posting that link, Irish.

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Three armed thugs approach a 19-year old South Korean university student. One grabs her loosely by the hair to pull her down to the ground. She quickly snarls, baring her teeth, and bites the guys arm. Then she bolts, losing a tuft of her hair in his fingers. She runs away, fast. They pursue but can not seem to catch up with her. Pride overcomes them so they continue to chase after her for a number of blocks right into a police station, where well-winded they are utterly dismayed by their surroundings and the unfolding events befalling them!

Talk about situational awareness… f’ing outstanding I would say!

All three were arrested for possession of concealed weapons (I believe one had an automatic knife… a big no, no in ROK.) and for armed assault… unfortunately indent to gang rape could not be proven.

The young lady was the daughter of a ROK Marine Colonel of the E&T/AS groups for the ARC I was providing combat readiness (tactical athletics) training in preparation for Amphib. Foul Eagle '98. His daughter would return to the base every weekend from university and could always be seen as a silent steadfast shadow beside her father on all the force marches and runs in the mountains.

He always said: “Me no teach her how to fight a fight she could not never win but me will sure hell teach her how to escape and evade!” Poor English I know, but it has always stuck in my mind as one life’s little truths.

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[quote]fallout188 wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
I think some of you miss the point. The majority of rapes are not by some psycho hiding n the bushes but by acquaintances. They also take place inside a home. Therefore, grappling is not an option but a reality.

The poster who says he’s a 240 pound blue belt: did you think that maybe it’s not just being 240 that makes it easy for you to roll with a female but the fact that you also know BJJ? Besides, how many women go on dates with 240 pound men who end up trying to rape them? Of course some guys are much bigger but the average rapist is probably the same size as the average man and in just as bad shape. Also, a victim of a violent crime doesn’t always have to defeat the attacker but put up enough of a fight for him to give up or create the chance to escape.

The girl that rolls with me in my camp is also a blue belt and does extremely well against other women her size. She does not fare well against other males her size even if they have little experience simply due to the huge difference in strength. BJJ will not put up enough of a fight to allow you to get away. BJJ is about getting close enough to the opponent to submit them through chokes or joint locks which is the opposite of what a female would want to do when trying to avoid being raped.[/quote]

But in the case of date rape the man is already close, maybe even on top of the woman, so it’s not an option. If a woman gets grabbed from behind again, it’s not an option. If Royce, at 170 pounds can beat Severn who is much bigger, stronger, athletic and versed in grappling, then why can’t a 130 pound woman put up a good fight, not necessarily beat, a 175 pound, untrained man? And it’s funny how a woman’s lack of strength, something which you don’t need for BJJ anyway, is a factor when grappling yet the same woman is supposed to be able to hurt a man with strikes.

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[quote]Ricochet wrote:
Three armed thugs approach a 19-year old South Korean university student. One grabs her loosely by the hair to pull her down to the ground. She quickly snarls, baring her teeth, and bites the guys arm. Then she bolts, losing a tuft of her hair in his fingers. She runs away, fast. They pursue but can not seem to catch up with her. Pride overcomes them so they continue to chase after her for a number of blocks right into a police station, where well-winded they are utterly dismayed by their surroundings and the unfolding events befalling them!

Talk about situational awareness… f’ing outstanding I would say!

All three were arrested for possession of concealed weapons (I believe one had an automatic knife… a big no, no in ROK.) and for armed assault… unfortunately indent to gang rape could not be proven.

The young lady was the daughter of a ROK Marine Colonel of the E&T/AS groups for the ARC I was providing combat readiness (tactical athletics) training in preparation for Amphib. Foul Eagle '98. His daughter would return to the base every weekend from university and could always be seen as a silent steadfast shadow beside her father on all the force marches and runs in the mountains.

He always said: “Me no teach her how to fight a fight she could not never win but me will sure hell teach her how to escape and evade!” Poor English I know, but it has always stuck in my mind as one life’s little truths.[/quote]

Love this.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
fallout188 wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
I think some of you miss the point. The majority of rapes are not by some psycho hiding n the bushes but by acquaintances. They also take place inside a home. Therefore, grappling is not an option but a reality.

The poster who says he’s a 240 pound blue belt: did you think that maybe it’s not just being 240 that makes it easy for you to roll with a female but the fact that you also know BJJ? Besides, how many women go on dates with 240 pound men who end up trying to rape them? Of course some guys are much bigger but the average rapist is probably the same size as the average man and in just as bad shape. Also, a victim of a violent crime doesn’t always have to defeat the attacker but put up enough of a fight for him to give up or create the chance to escape.

The girl that rolls with me in my camp is also a blue belt and does extremely well against other women her size. She does not fare well against other males her size even if they have little experience simply due to the huge difference in strength. BJJ will not put up enough of a fight to allow you to get away. BJJ is about getting close enough to the opponent to submit them through chokes or joint locks which is the opposite of what a female would want to do when trying to avoid being raped.

But in the case of date rape the man is already close, maybe even on top of the woman, so it’s not an option. If a woman gets grabbed from behind again, it’s not an option. If Royce, at 170 pounds can beat Severn who is much bigger, stronger, athletic and versed in grappling, then why can’t a 130 pound woman put up a good fight, not necessarily beat, a 175 pound, untrained man? And it’s funny how a woman’s lack of strength, something which you don’t need for BJJ anyway, is a factor when grappling yet the same woman is supposed to be able to hurt a man with strikes. [/quote]

Get this through your head- it’s not the UFC. There is NO comparison between Royce and Severn competing in a match and a woman being attacked by a man like that.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
fallout188 wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
I think some of you miss the point. The majority of rapes are not by some psycho hiding n the bushes but by acquaintances. They also take place inside a home. Therefore, grappling is not an option but a reality.

The poster who says he’s a 240 pound blue belt: did you think that maybe it’s not just being 240 that makes it easy for you to roll with a female but the fact that you also know BJJ? Besides, how many women go on dates with 240 pound men who end up trying to rape them? Of course some guys are much bigger but the average rapist is probably the same size as the average man and in just as bad shape. Also, a victim of a violent crime doesn’t always have to defeat the attacker but put up enough of a fight for him to give up or create the chance to escape.

The girl that rolls with me in my camp is also a blue belt and does extremely well against other women her size. She does not fare well against other males her size even if they have little experience simply due to the huge difference in strength. BJJ will not put up enough of a fight to allow you to get away. BJJ is about getting close enough to the opponent to submit them through chokes or joint locks which is the opposite of what a female would want to do when trying to avoid being raped.

But in the case of date rape the man is already close, maybe even on top of the woman, so it’s not an option. If a woman gets grabbed from behind again, it’s not an option. If Royce, at 170 pounds can beat Severn who is much bigger, stronger, athletic and versed in grappling, then why can’t a 130 pound woman put up a good fight, not necessarily beat, a 175 pound, untrained man? And it’s funny how a woman’s lack of strength, something which you don’t need for BJJ anyway, is a factor when grappling yet the same woman is supposed to be able to hurt a man with strikes. [/quote]

Thank you, zecarlo, for proving my point. Royce has years of training, as I said would be neccesary to prevail against a much larger & stronger opponent. He’s a world-class combat athlete who has dedicated his life to perfecting his art. I’m not. So I’m not going to be able to pull off BJJ as self-defense against someone who is strong enough to toss me around like a bean bag. Even a guy my size is far stronger than me.

Please note that I’ve never said BJJ is useless to women. If I believed that I wouldn’t train BJJ, and I do, regularly. It has been an excellent complement to Krav, so I’ll continue to work at it. My self defense skills are stronger because I do so. But once on the ground in the real world I’ll prefer to rip a hole in someone’s throat with my teeth rather than go for the arm bar.

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I’ve been demolished on the ground by a little 60 year old japanese man and thrown by a woman (in randori, not kata or drills). Granted, it takes years and years to develop that kind of skill but if the daughter is young, why not start training grappling now? A little girl isn’t going to be able to do much other than bite and scream anyways.

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[quote]chitown34 wrote:
I’ve been demolished on the ground by a little 60 year old japanese man and thrown by a woman (in randori, not kata or drills). Granted, it takes years and years to develop that kind of skill but if the daughter is young, why not start training grappling now? A little girl isn’t going to be able to do much other than bite and scream anyways.[/quote]

Mmmm, good point. She’s so young that if she works hard at any style, she’ll be proficient by the time she’s old enough to use any of it for real.

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nice Kimura pic chitown34

Grappling arts FTW!!!

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[quote]admbaum wrote:
nice Kimura pic chitown34

Grappling arts FTW!!![/quote]

You’re a retard.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
fallout188 wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
I think some of you miss the point. The majority of rapes are not by some psycho hiding n the bushes but by acquaintances. They also take place inside a home. Therefore, grappling is not an option but a reality.

The poster who says he’s a 240 pound blue belt: did you think that maybe it’s not just being 240 that makes it easy for you to roll with a female but the fact that you also know BJJ? Besides, how many women go on dates with 240 pound men who end up trying to rape them? Of course some guys are much bigger but the average rapist is probably the same size as the average man and in just as bad shape. Also, a victim of a violent crime doesn’t always have to defeat the attacker but put up enough of a fight for him to give up or create the chance to escape.

The girl that rolls with me in my camp is also a blue belt and does extremely well against other women her size. She does not fare well against other males her size even if they have little experience simply due to the huge difference in strength. BJJ will not put up enough of a fight to allow you to get away. BJJ is about getting close enough to the opponent to submit them through chokes or joint locks which is the opposite of what a female would want to do when trying to avoid being raped.

But in the case of date rape the man is already close, maybe even on top of the woman, so it’s not an option. If a woman gets grabbed from behind again, it’s not an option. If Royce, at 170 pounds can beat Severn who is much bigger, stronger, athletic and versed in grappling, then why can’t a 130 pound woman put up a good fight, not necessarily beat, a 175 pound, untrained man? And it’s funny how a woman’s lack of strength, something which you don’t need for BJJ anyway, is a factor when grappling yet the same woman is supposed to be able to hurt a man with strikes.

Get this through your head- it’s not the UFC. There is NO comparison between Royce and Severn competing in a match and a woman being attacked by a man like that. [/quote]

That’s not the point. The point is about size. The idea that a woman is too weak to grapple with an untrained man but can strike him hard enough to have some effect is incongruous. The fact is that the majority of times it will be a grappling situation as a rapist isn’t going to walk up to a woman advertising his intentions but will rely on some sort of ambush or sneak attack. And what about the majority of rapes that take place in a home and are perpetrated by an acquaintance? The guy is going to be on her before she knows what is happening.

A woman is too weak and small to grapple (even though she will probably not have the choice) but if she is close enough or gets close enough to strike she will be well within range to be grabbed. A woman can headbutt a man who may be close to a foot taller? If a woman has the space to attempt a strike she is better off taking advantage of it to run but, will she be able to outrun the attacker? What if she is wearing heels? What if he is just plain faster (he is supposedly so much bigger and stronger so it only follows).

The other thing is that people talk about how long someone has to train to get proficient. If you are fighting other pros then of course you have to be at that level but who here is worried about getting attacked by Brock Lesnar? Besides, it takes more time to get decent at striking than it does grappling.

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[quote]WRATHfight69 wrote:
ya actually im on boat with this 1 fellas im adopting my 2 step daughters (im 20 im an idiot i know) but i luv them theyre mine, last name or not! i dont want them competing necasrily (fuck u i know thats spelled wrong) but i know i want them 2 be able 2 defend themselves. my mother was raped and i dont want that for them IN THE LEAST.

Ive trained in military M.A. But my oldest is 2 so showin them how 2 SERIOUSLY fuck some1 up aint really age appropriate, I just want to get them intrested without scarin them ya know I thought Bjj For the same reason it the rape position. Im a first year dad and a 14 year martial artist…so ya its a major shot in the dark for me![/quote]

Please don’t adopt any kids.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
admbaum wrote:
nice Kimura pic chitown34

Grappling arts FTW!!!

You’re a retard.[/quote]

Do you just like the taste of my nuts or something? You’ve been all over them all day today. You dont like me…I get it. At the end of the day it really makes no difference what you think of me. And just so you know, I’m straight and most importantly, not interested in you. GET OFF MY NUTS FLAMER!!!11111

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[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
Thank you, zecarlo, for proving my point. Royce has years of training, as I said would be neccesary to prevail against a much larger & stronger opponent. He’s a world-class combat athlete who has dedicated his life to perfecting his art. I’m not. So I’m not going to be able to pull off BJJ as self-defense against someone who is strong enough to toss me around like a bean bag. Even a guy my size is far stronger than me.

Please note that I’ve never said BJJ is useless to women. If I believed that I wouldn’t train BJJ, and I do, regularly. It has been an excellent complement to Krav, so I’ll continue to work at it. My self defense skills are stronger because I do so. But once on the ground in the real world I’ll prefer to rip a hole in someone’s throat with my teeth rather than go for the arm bar. [/quote]

But do you think that you’ll have a choice in it going to the ground? You say you are too weak to beat a man with grappling (though it would seem you only test yourself against trained grapplers) yet how are you going to stop him from taking you down? If you can’t beat him using an art that de-emphasizes strength and emphasizes leverage how are you going to beat him using strikes that rely on speed, strength and power? You say Royce has trained for years but are you expecting to fight a pro? You don’t have to train for years to get competent. If that’s the case why train any striking since it too takes time to develop a decent skill level?

Bite a guy’s throat out? Well, to do that, if it’s even possible, while grappling you’ll need to be in a position to do it and that is something you learn from training. Not to get too graphic but if the attacker takes you down from behind and decides to rape from there you’ll need ground fighting knowledge to get out. If he takes you down and gets on top and holds you by the throat while taking your clothes off you’ll need that knowledge to escape that position. If he gets between your legs and has one or both hands on your throat you’ll need that knowledge to escape. You don’t think he’s going to lean in for a kiss and give you the opportunity to bite him? You will have to be able to get into that position but then again, you believe you won’t be able to get into that position since you are too weak.