Best Martial Art to Enroll Daughters In?

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:
Yes. I have actually pulled a gun on a man who was trying to break into my house. There was a freaked out thought line running through my head as I was telling him to get the hell out of there. It went something like, “OH SHIT! CanIdothis?CanIdothis?CanIdothis?CanIdothis?”

I realized that I could indeed, and was enormously relieved when he took off & I didn’t have to.

Good on you and thank you for sharing this. I find it interesting that one major factor in this discussion and it has been touched on is the mind set of a female. Not only are we the weaker ‘vessel’ being physically weaker than men but an unnecessary addition to that is that we are conditioned to be not only ‘nice’ but ‘sweet’, ‘delicate’, incapable in matters and /or tasks in the requisition and the acquisition of ‘force’ ( weight lifting/Olympic lifts, gun sports for instance ).

Also someone compared a man to a lion and a woman to a sheep - that implies submission, passivity, follower not leader, not in control of her own destiny, waiting to be slaughtered as it were.

I have had people say to me: “You lift weights like a man”…“You play tennis like a man”…“you hit like a man”…and just about any display of physical power I am accused of masculinity. What is expected of me? Lift the barbell as if it were a fork? Run like a ballerina?!? Not the right scenario in my opinion.

Strength is a neutral quality. So is power. Also COURAGE - a heavily associated quality with masculinity. The fact that women are discouraged to express these qualities and to CLAIM THEIR COURAGE as their human right contributes to the “victim mentality”.

I observed that you had to check with yourself that you had the capacity, the ability and the PERMISSION, the right to prevent someone from violating your boundaries which should be a natural instinctual response shows how castrated we are as females in our natural gut responses.
Gutsy women are often accused of being brutes, butch, tom boys, bitches, dragon ladies.

There is a girl in my martial arts class who feels Guilty about hitting. She recoils every single time the coach throws a blow at her- every single time. She has been doing this for years and still looks like a marshmallow when attacked.

You also mentioned ‘the relief’ you felt when you didn’t have to use the gun on the violator. Should we feel guilty about defending what is rightfully our right? Should we as women feel compassion 24/7 when the scales of justice clearly dictate vindication?

I am not talking about blind vengeance but there is a principle behind the law of an eye for an eye.

These are just things that are going through my mind as I read this thread.

My view is that the main battle for women is being fought on the psychological ground. We are taken down not because we are physically weaker but because we are psychological victims.

Gentleness and compliance are the qualities associated with femininity. That at the exchange and the expense of strength, prowess and courage is the basis of the victim mentality.

What do you think?

EDIT: As it is evident by this thread, men seem to have no problem expressing their fighting spirit. It is like RELENTLESS…lol. Imagine two or three women engaging in this behavior - what would we think of them?

; )[/quote]

I’d say your observations are true. A big part of females’ inability to protect ourselves is due to the fact that we’re (often) psychologically unprepared for violence.

As the guys have pointed out many times, there’s a reason there are weight classes in sport fighting, and I absolutely believe myself to be at a physical disadvantage in a fight with a man because I’m smaller/weaker. But as they say, its not always the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog that matters. And one of the cops I train with recently compared me to a pit bull on the mat, so I’ve got that going for me. :slight_smile:

That comment comparing men to lions & women to sheep rubbed me the wrong way, too.

And, regarding the man who tried to break into my house, my hesitation was not that I doubted I had the right to defend what was mine. I wasn’t thinking in those terms. I simply preferred not to kill another human being if I could avoid it.

[quote]Miss Parker wrote:

And, regarding the man who tried to break into my house, my hesitation was not that I doubted I had the right to defend what was mine. I wasn’t thinking in those terms. I simply preferred not to kill another human being if I could avoid it. [/quote]

Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you just felt relieved you didn’t have to use the gun.
I would have gone for both knees and shoulder joints to disable him or aim at several other parts not lethal just to bring him down until the police arrived.
I think. Not sure as I have not been in this situation.
I know I could kill another human being if it became clear to me I was standing in the presence of evil - because then if the humanity is missing then it is not human anymore.

Hey guys, is it possible to learn a few self defense tricks and how to land punches and blows by yourself? Or with one training partner? There is a kickboxing gym here (I think I’ll start here), and a karate one (but karate seems pretty mellow), there was a judo gym but it closed this year (I would have taken that)…

I was attacked once, and if it happens again (GOD FORBID) I’d like to be somewhat ready…


Iaijutsu- “the art of mental presence and immediate reaction”

But the bad part is you have to carry around a katana. Samurai tested, ZZ-Top approved.

[quote]matko5 wrote:
Hey guys, is it possible to learn a few self defense tricks and how to land punches and blows by yourself? Or with one training partner? There is a kickboxing gym here (I think I’ll start here), and a karate one (but karate seems pretty mellow), there was a judo gym but it closed this year (I would have taken that)…

I was attacked once, and if it happens again (GOD FORBID) I’d like to be somewhat ready…[/quote]

Possible but probably not a great idea, and definitely not ideal. It’s very easy to learn bad habits when trying to teach yourself something, unless maybe you already have a very strong base of skill in that activity. That’s one of the real benefits of having a qualified teacher.

If it were your only option, then that would be one thing. But in your case I’d check out the kickboxing gym and then go from there.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

I would have gone for both knees and shoulder joints to disable him or aim at several other parts not lethal just to bring him down until the police arrived.
[/quote]

yes yes, would love to see someone with no formal firearms training hit both knee joints in a high stress/low light enviornement with a handgun.

later, we can MMF.

jesus.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

I would have gone for both knees and shoulder joints to disable him or aim at several other parts not lethal just to bring him down until the police arrived.

yes yes, would love to see someone with no formal firearms training hit both knee joints in a high stress/low light enviornement with a handgun.

later, we can MMF.

jesus.[/quote]

Who told you there was no training?

Cut the condescending tone, please.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

I would have gone for both knees and shoulder joints to disable him or aim at several other parts not lethal just to bring him down until the police arrived.

yes yes, would love to see someone with no formal firearms training hit both knee joints in a high stress/low light enviornement with a handgun.

later, we can MMF.

jesus.

Who told you there was no training?

Cut the condescending tone, please.[/quote]

What if it was a revolver. One of them that shoots .410 shotty shells?

[quote]Therizza wrote:

What if it was a revolver. One of them that shoots .410 shotty shells?[/quote]

then you sir, need to do a little homework on your ammo selection for personal defense.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Miss Parker wrote:

And, regarding the man who tried to break into my house, my hesitation was not that I doubted I had the right to defend what was mine. I wasn’t thinking in those terms. I simply preferred not to kill another human being if I could avoid it.

Oh, I misunderstood you. I thought you just felt relieved you didn’t have to use the gun.
I would have gone for both knees and shoulder joints to disable him or aim at several other parts not lethal just to bring him down until the police arrived.
I think. Not sure as I have not been in this situation.
I know I could kill another human being if it became clear to me I was standing in the presence of evil - because then if the humanity is missing then it is not human anymore.
[/quote]

Mmmm, well, I had shot quite a bit by that time, but only at cans & inanimate stuff like that. My stepdad is a “gun enthusiast” so I was familiar with handling weapons, but I was really scared & wouldn’t have trusted my fine motor skills to hit anything but center mass. And I was raised with the belief that if things are bad enough that I am actually going to shoot someone, I shouldn’t worry about just maiming them, because if I screw it up, it will likely be the end of my life.

My stepdad was pretty strict about neutralizing a target as quickly as possible.

And I’m not sure that just breaking into my house qualifies someone as evil & sub-human. He could have just been a stoned dumbass looking for a free stereo. Of course, I never learned his ultimate intentions. Since he quickly left when I told him to, I was satisfied with that.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Who told you there was no training?

Cut the condescending tone, please.[/quote]

sorry dude. all to often my buddies will comment on something like that. then we’ll go to the range and they can barely hit center mass on a E-type target at 25 meters, much less a knee or shoulder joint.

no different than the guy that does BJJ at his local YMCA trying to offer insight into this thread.

hell, half the time a f2f or stovepipe happens, they just turn around with a retarded look on their face.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
damn. miss P sounds like someone who’d be awesome to train with.[/quote]

Thanks, HolyMac, very much. I really do try to be a good training partner.

Ha, funny story, in MMA a couple of days ago, when the instructor said it was time for free rolling, all the guys in the class scrambled not to have to roll with me and the other girl. We have cooties. I scolded them & then the only two guys in class who do amateur fights & are trying to go pro grinned & raised their hands to roll with us girls. The other goofy guys in class try to be very aggressive with them & I think it becomes tiresome, so they’re always willing to roll with us girls.

I ended up with the one who is big like you, & I was on top of him in his guard, cross-facing him & preparing to give him some “punches” (little bonks) in the face when he put his hands on my waist & just tossed me over his head. Not straight up toward the ceiling, but he threw his arms over his head like he was doing the wave. I got completely airborne & landed completely clear of him on my face spread out like a squished frog. It was like being on a ride at Six Flags, & we both just started cracking up laughing.

That stuff is a lot of fun for me, but its also a reminder of why I don’t want to be on the ground with an attacker in real life.

[quote]regrahc wrote:
I’m looking to get my daughters into some form of martial arts, mainly for self-defense purposes. Keeping in mind that if (God forbid) they ever have to use it, they’ll probably be much smaller and lighter than their opponent, what are the best styles for them to learn?

[/quote]

Wing Chun

taken from wikipedia.
Wing Chun was originally passed down from teacher to student orally rather than through written documentation, making it difficult to confirm or clarify the differing accounts of its creation. Some have sought to apply the methods of higher criticism to the oral histories of Wing Chun and other Chinese martial arts.[4] Others have attempted to discern the origins of Wing Chun by determining the specific purpose of its techniques. Mentions of the art start to appear in independent third-party documentation during the era of the Wing Chun master Leung Jan, making its subsequent history and divergence into various branches more amenable to documentary verification.

The common legend involves the young woman Yim Wing Chun (Wing Chun literally means beautiful springtime or praising spring) at the time after the destruction of the Southern Shaolin and its associated temples by the Qing government. After Wing Chun rebuffs the local warlord’s marriage offer, he says he’ll rescind his proposal if she can beat him in a martial art match fight. She asks a Buddhist nun- Ng Mui, who was one of the Shaolin Sect survivors, to teach her boxing; this still nameless style enables Yim Wing Chun to defeat the warlord. She thereafter marries Leung Bac-Chou and teaches him the style, which he names after her.

It should be noted that the system was developed during the Shaolin and Ming resistance movement against the Qing Dynasty, and thus many legends about the creator of Wing Chun were spread to confuse the enemy, including the story of Yim Wing Chun. This perhaps explains why no one has been able to accurately determine the creator or creators of Wing Chun.

hahahaha.

you said ‘squished’

i remember going to a combatives course that had a few females in it. They, like you, wanted to roll with the ‘big’ guys, as well as the guys who had had previous civilian MA training. Upon becoming just generally overpowered by us, they started suggesting that the training was fairly worthless, if they couldn’t beat a guy in hand to hand, what was the point of training it.

when it was explained (like i said earlier) that the army’s view on h2h combat is ‘the winner is the fighter who can control his opponent until his friends arrive with a gun’ their entire demenor changed. nails, elebow points, nails in throat, it all came out. having an end goal that they could rationalize changed the way they rolled with us almost instantly.

not that you’ll be traveling with armed men. but if all that training allows you to land one good strike or clean technique that gives you the space/opportunity to draw OC/taser/gun or buys you a few momements for your t.nation boytoy to rush over and stomp his head in, well then i’d say it was definatly worth it.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
hahahaha.

you said ‘squished’

i remember going to a combatives course that had a few females in it. They, like you, wanted to roll with the ‘big’ guys, as well as the guys who had had previous civilian MA training. Upon becoming just generally overpowered by us, they started suggesting that the training was fairly worthless, if they couldn’t beat a guy in hand to hand, what was the point of training it.

when it was explained (like i said earlier) that the army’s view on h2h combat is ‘the winner is the fighter who can control his opponent until his friends arrive with a gun’ their entire demenor changed. nails, elebow points, nails in throat, it all came out. having an end goal that they could rationalize changed the way they rolled with us almost instantly.
[/quote]

when i went to the police academy, one of the females there requested me as a training partner all the time. partly because i had a background in martial arts and am a decent sized guy (therefore being a real threat to her) and partly becuase i was professional about it, and had no problem actually kicking her ass a little so she could learn to defend it.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Therizza wrote:

What if it was a revolver. One of them that shoots .410 shotty shells?

then you sir, need to do a little homework on your ammo selection for personal defense.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm[/quote]

Mac, you know my favorite self-defense round is the .45 ACP FMJ 230 grain. Duh. :wink:

[quote]Therizza wrote:

Mac, you know my favorite self-defense round is the .45 ACP FMJ 230 grain. Duh. ;)[/quote]

you have moved to my #1 choice in MMF.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Therizza wrote:

Mac, you know my favorite self-defense round is the .45 ACP FMJ 230 grain. Duh. :wink:

you have moved to my #1 choice in MMF.[/quote]

My life is complete.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
hahahaha.

you said ‘squished’

i remember going to a combatives course that had a few females in it. They, like you, wanted to roll with the ‘big’ guys, as well as the guys who had had previous civilian MA training. Upon becoming just generally overpowered by us, they started suggesting that the training was fairly worthless, if they couldn’t beat a guy in hand to hand, what was the point of training it.

when it was explained (like i said earlier) that the army’s view on h2h combat is ‘the winner is the fighter who can control his opponent until his friends arrive with a gun’ their entire demenor changed. nails, elebow points, nails in throat, it all came out. having an end goal that they could rationalize changed the way they rolled with us almost instantly.

when i went to the police academy, one of the females there requested me as a training partner all the time. partly because i had a background in martial arts and am a decent sized guy (therefore being a real threat to her) and partly becuase i was professional about it, and had no problem actually kicking her ass a little so she could learn to defend it.[/quote]

Sigh. Y’all make me happy.

[quote]matko5 wrote:
Hey guys, is it possible to learn a few self defense tricks and how to land punches and blows by yourself? Or with one training partner? There is a kickboxing gym here (I think I’ll start here), and a karate one (but karate seems pretty mellow), there was a judo gym but it closed this year (I would have taken that)…

I was attacked once, and if it happens again (GOD FORBID) I’d like to be somewhat ready…[/quote]

Depends what karate you’re in.
Kyokushin is pretty “hardcore”.

Like i said before, i think the best things to learn are boxing, wrestling and kyokushin.
If you can’t do that, you can substitute boxing and kyokushin for muay thai.
If you do decide to do wrestling, learn the weak points (suplexe on concrete = not a good idea.) for the streets.