yeah im not sayin he should fight him. I already told him to call the cops and such…just educating some people on what San Shou is
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
yeah im not sayin he should fight him. I already told him to call the cops and such…just educating some people on what San Shou is[/quote]
Just wondering… Why the ninja in your username?
A silly nickname because I like hockey and also like martial arts
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
The guy will be ruining his own life with that attitude. I see good advice from most people advicing OP not to opt for violence.[/quote]
100% right!( protecting yourself is a whole different kettle of shit tho)
So one guy is good that makes the art effective? I know the style and I am not gonna say its good or bad but you are acting like someone shit in your cheerios because they didnt know the style and insulted it. If they dont even know what it is how can you get mad at them for insulting it?
Cung Le is great, but you have to remember that he has logged thousands of hours of time in the gym honing his skills. Secondly he is also very naturally talented. Those two things mean that he’s going to be able to do things and get away with things that someone who has just recently started training will not.
Thirdly, while many of the skills from San Shou could potentially carry over to a real fight; real fights are nothing like a San Shou match. You can’t watch hours of fight films to study your opponent and know what techniques they favor, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and therefore you can’t develop a game plan to specifically help you beat them. You don’t know exactly when (or even if) you are going to actually have to fight them. There are no agreed upon rules by which you will fight them. You aren’t going to start from 15 feet away and then be able to gradually move in, feel them out, and get your distancing and timing right. There are no rounds of time, after which you will get a rest (even if they’re kicking your ass at that point) and be able to regroup.
Not only that but San Shou will do absolutely nothing in terms of teaching you confrontation management skills, postural self defense skills, weapons defense or deployment, ground fighting, or legal and moral issues. In other words, it’s a system designed for effectiveness within a specific sportive context, not for real world scenarios.
Yes, he needs to learn how to strike effectively, and yes San Shou would probably do a fine job of that. But he can learn how to do that effectively, while also learning other (quite honestly as important if not even more important) skills like the ones mentioned above from a good “reality based/self defense” system.
Sento- you know that I completely agree with you, but I hope you realize how difficult it is to find a teacher or school that actually addresses even half of what you and I have talked about in the past.
At this point in my life I’m tired of being instructed by people on how to defend myself when I know I’ve gotten into three times as many confrontations as they have. The best way I’ve found so far is to get as strong as possible while getting as good at boxing as I can, and reading about the rest of it and putting into the context of what I’ve already been through.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
At this point in my life I’m tired of being instructed by people on how to defend myself when I know I’ve gotten into three times as many confrontations as they have. The best way I’ve found so far is to get as strong as possible while getting as good at boxing as I can, and reading about the rest of it and putting into the context of what I’ve already been through.
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Now that’s some quality advice, Ive always wondered the relationship of power vs technique. Basically, will training in boxing reduce my powerlift numbers? I guess not, a guy in my town is a professional boxer and new england deadlift record holder.
Does combat training make you weaker in terms of “gym weight”.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sento- you know that I completely agree with you, but I hope you realize how difficult it is to find a teacher or school that actually addresses even half of what you and I have talked about in the past.
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Yes it can be difficult. Luckily for the OP, if that school in Adams is still operational, it indeed does teach all of what we have talked about in the past.
Well, experience is the ultimate teacher, so like you said there is really no training that is going to teach you more about real confrontations than actually being in real confrontations. But, for someone who hasn’t had the same experience, learning from someone who has been in and around violence, and developed high levels of skill in the entire range of combative arts is priceless. And that’s just what the OP would get if he can go and train with Sensei Sinopoli.
OP, I’m still waiting on his reply to my email. I’ll let you know as soon as I hear from him.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Now that’s some quality advice, Ive always wondered the relationship of power vs technique. Basically, will training in boxing reduce my powerlift numbers? I guess not, a guy in my town is a professional boxer and new england deadlift record holder.
Does combat training make you weaker in terms of “gym weight”.[/quote]
Training in boxing won’t hurt powerlifting if boxing is clearly in the back seat. But if you’re working full time and going to a boxing gym because you want to be the next Tommy Hearns, then your powerlifting numbers will fall because of the amount of dedication you’ve got to devote to the game.
At this point I’m lifting three times a week, two upper body and one lower body day, in a powerlifting fashion (based off of Joe DeFranco’s programs, really) and then doing two days of boxing work- shadowboxing, speedbag, heavybag, jumping rope, etc.
It’s worked for me, but then I’m still trying to put on muscle for now and have no intention of competing. For what I need it for, though, it’s working well.
Whatever happened to shooting people or paying people to break his legs? Seriously.
^LMAO WOW
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Cung Le is great, but you have to remember that he has logged thousands of hours of time in the gym honing his skills. Secondly he is also very naturally talented. Those two things mean that he’s going to be able to do things and get away with things that someone who has just recently started training will not.
Thirdly, while many of the skills from San Shou could potentially carry over to a real fight; real fights are nothing like a San Shou match. You can’t watch hours of fight films to study your opponent and know what techniques they favor, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and therefore you can’t develop a game plan to specifically help you beat them. You don’t know exactly when (or even if) you are going to actually have to fight them. There are no agreed upon rules by which you will fight them. You aren’t going to start from 15 feet away and then be able to gradually move in, feel them out, and get your distancing and timing right. There are no rounds of time, after which you will get a rest (even if they’re kicking your ass at that point) and be able to regroup.
Not only that but San Shou will do absolutely nothing in terms of teaching you confrontation management skills, postural self defense skills, weapons defense or deployment, ground fighting, or legal and moral issues. In other words, it’s a system designed for effectiveness within a specific sportive context, not for real world scenarios.
Yes, he needs to learn how to strike effectively, and yes San Shou would probably do a fine job of that. But he can learn how to do that effectively, while also learning other (quite honestly as important if not even more important) skills like the ones mentioned above from a good “reality based/self defense” system. [/quote]
Well same could be said for any striking Martial art or Sport oriented art. Again Im not sayin that my martial art that I study is the end all and be all for everything…id be very foolish if I thought that. I just think its good to educate people on a style thats not very well known by most. After I get my black belt (which our teacher certainly makes us work for ive been doing it for four years) I plan on studying Hapkido next…the authentic Korean full style…not the kickback taught in some tae kwon do schools.
And as my school focuses on sport and real life combat as well as I said earlier, Ive spent plenty of time handling and dealing with weapons and learning knife and gun defense. IDK if thats the staple of all Wushu/sanshou schools but we do it in mine. Makes sense tho…Kung Fu is comprised of 400 different self defense styles.
Ive always thought the best way to Become a good fighter was to spend serious time being a student of all styles.
After hapikdo Im also very interested in tackling Pencak Silat…the Indonesian fighting style…they deal with weapons and its a very brutal combat style. I have a friend from Indonesia whos done it before.
^^^ Yea that Penchak Silat looks STRAIGHT. That dude threw that guy that was way bigger than him like he was a litle girl.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
After hapikdo Im also very interested in tackling Pencak Silat…the Indonesian fighting style…they deal with weapons and its a very brutal combat style. I have a friend from Indonesia whos done it before.
I just don’t know…I’d really like to see that guy catch my pucnhes like he does to everyone. It’s very easy to do that when you know what’s gonna happen…but what about me feinting the punch, side stepping…seriosuly someone who knows how to throw…he ain’t catching shit.
Yeah it’s good to be a student of styles…but you become half-ass at a bunch of styles, be a master of one or two and it will get you far.
Most standup arts translate well…if you have done boxing your whole life, it will be easy to switch to Muay thai. In muay thai since the focus is not as much on the hands, I feel you lose some important things that you learn in boxing…primarily a lot of schools don’t emphasize slipping, rolling…it’s more in and out, 45 degree’s…jab, right, kick. I’m not saying this for all…but this is what I’ve noticed in my experience going to gyms. None the less, you will pick up much faster, but probably will need to break some habits.
As for the ground game, if you learn how to takedown/throw people from standing (muay thai clinch helps as well here if you can mix it) and know how to do jiujitsu…well I’d say that’s all you really need and that’s what fighting is ALL about.
Punching/kicking from distance, punching/knee’s/elbows/knee’s for close range.
Standing wrestling (pummel, grapple) Throwing/trips/takedown from standup.
And finally the ground game…ground and pound, and submissions. I feel like those gyms that incorporate it all (like the video above) you miss A LOT of the good stuff if you were to do it seperately and REALLY focus on it.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
I just don’t know…I’d really like to see that guy catch my pucnhes like he does to everyone. It’s very easy to do that when you know what’s gonna happen…but what about me feinting the punch, side stepping…seriosuly someone who knows how to throw…he ain’t catching shit.
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That’s one thing Ive definitely noticed too… Whenever you see a combat style displaying a counter-attack, they never include what the guy being countered is upto… Like he’s really going to just stand there and be devastated. If you throw a bunch and a guy hits the bunch out of the way and grabs your wrist, you’re not just gunna stand still, right?
NO your definately not gonna stand still. Besides that’s such a CONTROLLED enviorment lol…do you really know when the guy is gonna throw those punches? How are you gonna act with being so nervous, especailly if you don’t fight.
Let me tell you a story…I really don’t like speaking of any fights I’ve been in, but look…I was at a bar, I wasn’t even of age (18) I was chillin outside and some guy came out of the bar. Much older than me…but he’s in MY AREA, so I got friends around and what not. Anyways I’m standing whatever, and then he starts to stare at me…I can feel it, I can see it. So I look at him, and he starts to talk to me and well he’s not trying to make friends let’s put it that way. So I can feel tension and the situation is escalating. So by now it’s pretty obvious this guy wants some. He starts clenching his fists, eyes getting wider…I’m talking and talking, nothing is getting through…so I just say…what the fuck did you come out here for…go back inside man, it’s a good time in there. He replies…I’m not going anywhere, and tells me to COME CLOSER to him. And is like…come here man, come closer to me (fists still clenched). So I’ve had enough…I don’t say anything anymore…I just stare at him and stare and stare…there is 100% tension, shit is about to hit the fan. At first in my mind I thought…man why is this guy doing this, why does he wanna fight me…does he have a weapon…all these things are runnin through my mind so fast…I’m nervous (this is natural). But as we were staring…all doubt went out the window cause I knew it was go time. AS SOON as you know it’s go time, I feel all fear dissipate.
I asked myself what is the quickest way for me to fuck this guy up. Simple.
Distract him for 1 second.
Keeping him in my perphial vision I slightly look over and call someones name and say “(name) is giving me trouble”…the guy looked over to see who I was calling over…as soon as he looked over for that 1 second, I made my move…cocked my right hand and smashed his face…he fell down…I kicked him, and threw a few more punches and it was 100% done. I looked in the window quickly to see if anybody of his friends saw what had happened so as soon as they come out the door…well they were gonna be next to get it. As soon as they opened that door I wouldve unloaded on them, I have friends with me now as well.
Point of the story. Such a simple distraction like that can be so effective, for real. It doesn’t take much to hurt someone if you commit to what you are doing.
Now please…catch my punches lol.