No, he wasn’t. 123 is the lowest category for weightlifting (men) for example.
The fact, that your ideal is 200 pounds and over, I suppose, doesn’t mean that there aren’t guys who are 123 pounds and stronger than you.
There must be respect for great lifters from all categories, not only for these in yours.
We need some love for Misha Koklyaev in here. He has some of the most beautiful deadlift form I have ever seen for a 400+kg puller.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
123? are we counting anorexics? … or was he an amputee? 
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Ha. Did you click that link for Inaba? 114#'s yet he was one of the most dominant lifters in the history of the IPF.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
We need some love for Misha Koklyaev in here. He has some of the most beautiful deadlift form I have ever seen for a 400+kg puller.[/quote]
Oh, for sure, and what is he like 25? and primarily a strongman competitor, dude is a freak. Speaking of that, you all see kevin Nee? close attempt at an 880 deadlift and kid is like 22-23 somewhere in there and lean. Whenever I get proud of my deadlift and start to think I am strong I just read about somebody as young or younger than me pulling 300 lbs more…
400 k deadlift, 240 clean, 150 k muscle snatch, etc…
No love for Mark Henry on here? I know he was heavy but he is the only person to pull over 900 in the USAPL (then ADFPA), raw, and he swears he is drug free. Pound for Pound he is obviously not that great but for absolute weight I think he should at least be mentioned.
Lamar Gant’s 310 kg pull at 60 kg is awesome, raw.
Walter Thomas’s 821 lb pull at 198 is awesome, that is like a 4.2x bodyweight pull at 200 lbs (he was about 196 when he did it) and in 82 when equipment was not a factor.
[quote]mldj wrote:
No, he wasn’t. 123 is the lowest category for weightlifting (men) for example.
The fact, that your ideal is 200 pounds and over, I suppose, doesn’t mean that there aren’t guys who are 123 pounds and stronger than you.
There must be respect for great lifters from all categories, not only for these in yours.[/quote]
Or they could eat a friggin sandwich every so often. I have no doubt that they are extremely strong - but then theres no need to diet down like some insecure 14 year old girl. I am just honestly having a difficult time imagining the bone stone structure of a healthy adult male that could manage to lift weights and STILL weigh 123.
I am jsut shocked that there are enough guys under 181 - let alone 165 - to justify dividing that group up into further categories. It would be like having a 333, 355 and 388 class instead of just SHW. Seriously, why any guy would want to weigh that little, hey that’s his choice. But we shoulda made it the SLWs, Superlightweights
Yeah but what about guys like Hoop etc who are <5’6??
EDIT: Besides, if I could pull over 300kg under 60kg I’d do it too… These guys are moving weights that the average 181’er would have to put on multi ply gear to move. There’s no point hating on them just because they’re small. Not everyone wants to be like Scott Cartwright or Chad Aichs…
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
No love for Mark Henry on here? I know he was heavy but he is the only person to pull over 900 in the USAPL (then ADFPA), raw, and he swears he is drug free. Pound for Pound he is obviously not that great but for absolute weight I think he should at least be mentioned.[/quote]
I’ve read that instead of sharing rides with people he goes from city to city alone because he’s afraid that if the guy he’s with has some he’ll get in trouble too.
How tall was lamar gant can’t seem to find it All I hear is how perfect his body structure was for deadlift, squat, and bench
[quote]shizen wrote:
How tall was lamar gant can’t seem to find it All I hear is how perfect his body structure was for deadlift, squat, and bench [/quote]
I think he mighta been in the mid-5’s, short legs, arms down to almost his knees, and a natural curve (arch) in his spine from scoliosis.
People
you can not compare apples with strawberries. You have to seperate different sizes, weight categories, equipment and drug-free. Most of the amazing lifts have been done under the influence of a lot of shit.
My intention was not to offend anybody, but on the other hand from a 50 kilogram athlete a pull is not as respective as a lift from a 110 kilogram guy. It is the same with heights, “range of motion”, a guy who is between 5 and 5.7 has 30 times more advantages than a 6 to a 6.5 athlete, for example.
For right now, all the power to a lot of lifters.
[quote]GermanPower wrote:
a guy who is between 5 and 5.7 has 30 times more advantages than a 6 to a 6.5 athlete, for example.
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Somebody else want to take this one?
These two are from my point the best lifters right now.You will hear a lot from them in the next few years.
Height has nothing to do with it, sure you might not have the best weight to lift ratio since naturally you would be heavier but you can still do some big lifts. It comes down to how your body is set up, a tall person might have short legs and long arms relative to his size and could still do really well.
If you look at most of the strongman they are tall and can lift pretty impressive stuff.
Tall lifters can even do well in lifts that should be tough for them like snatch. Velichko Cholakov-who is 6’8- can do 207.5kg in the snatch-one of the best snatches in the world-
I don’t think it comes down to height so much as body structure relative to height.
[quote]GermanPower wrote:
People
you can not compare apples with strawberries. You have to seperate different sizes, weight categories, equipment and drug-free. Most of the amazing lifts have been done under the influence of a lot of shit.
My intention was not to offend anybody, but on the other hand from a 50 kilogram athlete a pull is not as respective as a lift from a 110 kilogram guy. It is the same with heights, “range of motion”, a guy who is between 5 and 5.7 has 30 times more advantages than a 6 to a 6.5 athlete, for example.
For right now, all the power to a lot of lifters. [/quote]
The guys holding the bench, squat, and deadlift records are all average or above average hight as far as I know.
A shorter lifter dosent have advantage over a taller lifter, its just the taller lifter would have to weigh more to have the same leverage advantage. But if they both weigh the same chances are the shorter guy will lift more.
[quote]shizen wrote:
I don’t think it comes down to height so much as body structure relative to height.[/quote]
Exactly. Body structure is extremely important. So is dedication and the right philopsophy and training. For these reasons, I think we can add to the list Doug Young, who deadlifted 700+ lbs with a broken rib.
Guys, maybe I’m understanding the title wrong, but it says “Best deadlifter after Andy Bolton”. If the guy’s not even top in his weightclass (unless that weight class is SHW since Andy’s top there) how can you say they’re the next best…?
[quote]shizen wrote:
Height has nothing to do with it, sure you might not have the best weight to lift ratio since naturally you would be heavier but you can still do some big lifts. It comes down to how your body is set up, a tall person might have short legs and long arms relative to his size and could still do really well.
If you look at most of the strongman they are tall and can lift pretty impressive stuff.
Tall lifters can even do well in lifts that should be tough for them like snatch. Velichko Cholakov-who is 6’8- can do 207.5kg in the snatch-one of the best snatches in the world-
I don’t think it comes down to height so much as body structure relative to height. [/quote]
Yes, sure you can be World Class, but generally you will have a harder time getting there. Most OLifters that are World Class are somewhat short for their given weights. It is an advantage that helps them out. You don’t often see 6" tall guys in the 77 or 85 class that are World Class. You get a few freaks later on but they are few and far between.
You can be very good but few ever make it to World Class, unless you have some serious talent.
Koing
Vlad Alhazov from the IPA Pro/Am over the weekend.
His wife told me that they were trying to get him to go for 975 to break Donnie Thompson’s record total (which was set the same day) but he wanted to play it conservative
[quote]Koing wrote:
shizen wrote:
Height has nothing to do with it, sure you might not have the best weight to lift ratio since naturally you would be heavier but you can still do some big lifts. It comes down to how your body is set up, a tall person might have short legs and long arms relative to his size and could still do really well.
If you look at most of the strongman they are tall and can lift pretty impressive stuff.
Tall lifters can even do well in lifts that should be tough for them like snatch. Velichko Cholakov-who is 6’8- can do 207.5kg in the snatch-one of the best snatches in the world-
I don’t think it comes down to height so much as body structure relative to height.
Yes, sure you can be World Class, but generally you will have a harder time getting there. Most OLifters that are World Class are somewhat short for their given weights. It is an advantage that helps them out. You don’t often see 6" tall guys in the 77 or 85 class that are World Class. You get a few freaks later on but they are few and far between.
You can be very good but few ever make it to World Class, unless you have some serious talent.
Koing[/quote]
Yeah averagely you are probably right, as averagely most of the tall guys I know are very thin and have trouble with squats, bench and forget about oly lifts hah. There will always be freaks who can disprove a rule though so can never say its impossible to get to a certain point.