Best Cycle for Lean Bulk/Recomp?

I did Tren A (high, 100mg eod), Test P (low, 50mg), Masteron (100g) and Anadrol (first few weeks) earlier this year and got the LEANEST that I’d ever been & I was very happy about that! I felt like Tren killed my appetite which made being on low-carb easy, also my workout program was mainly for cutting. Following my PCT… I gained a little bit of fat while being off cycle, and doing a recomp workout program and diet before getting back on soon. Now I really want to do a bulk but be as lean as possible. Would you suggest staying away from Tren if I wanted to gain mass because it kills the appetite? Please suggest a cycle that has worked for you.

Here are some of the suggestions I’ve seen in forums:
Low Tren, High Test
High Tren, High Test, NPP, Anavar
Tren, Test, Dbol

Well, that is what everyone wants, because that is the fantasy option, hence - unrealistic unless you actually understand that “being as lean as POSSIBLE” is not that lean but just - not get stupid fat.

1)In order to bulk and gain muscle EFFICIENTY it is best to eat with a solid surplus. Gaining some fat while bulking is the only indication we have, of the fact that we gain 100% possible muscle. You really dont wanna NOT gain fat, because if you dont, then you cant tell if you gain 10% , 30% or 90% of muscle that could be gained. Building muscle is crazy slow process and all you have is these 8-12 weeks to do it. Do you really wanna gain just 2lbs and remain lean if you could gain 5lbs of muscle while gaining 5lbs of fat and then just diet em off in 3 weeks? Most lean gainers after they reach advanced level(since you took tren i believe you are in an epic shape) are just spinning their wheels for years. I did the same.

2)Its not the drugs that dictate how fat you get. Drugs dont make you fat and they dont really burn fat. Its the diet. You are the one who decides how much kcals you eat. You can cut on deca and anadrol and you can get stupid fat on tren and var. Its just the water retention while on cycle that changes, not the actual tissue that is left after that water is gone.

3)I wouldnt recomend to do 2 nor-19 cycles back to back. You already did tren and mast and anadrol which is probably like the most shit combo anyone can do to himself. Im not judging - i have done the same stuff, im just saying that objectively its fcking poison.

4)A picture of your best physique would help as i cant recomend steroids without seeing how you look or what you lift, because there are people who take cycles of 2-3 compounds and when they show pics it looks that they just needed a personal trainer and some more food, not a cycle.

5)I have done most of the stupid shit myself and what i have come to in my experience is that 90% of us here could just cruise on some test and blast on some more test.
I could cut good with 1g of tren and 1g of test, but i am actually cutting just as good now with 400g test and 2iu of GH.
Same goes with bulk - i added compounds just for shits and giggles but i actually never seemed to gain more or faster.
So if you want my honest answer - unless you provide a picture that blows my mind, i believe you could bulk on max 500mg of test. It is safe, it works, and at the end of the day its the progressive training overload and right amount of food that dictates either you bulk or not. I also believe that you wasted masteron and anadrol was totally unnecessary for your cut, so… i would suggest you backing up and actually trying to see and feel what each drug does, instead of just nuking it all in and never knowing if you really needed it.

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IMO this will have little to do with the cycle and everything to do with your diet. I’d start at maintenance calories for a bit, then slowly add in small amounts as progress stalls. Keep the surplus very small. Might take longer to gain weight, but it’ll be that “lean” mass everyone keeps asking about

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Thanks, what’s Nor-19? I’ll look into cruising

I get that. But I’d still like to know what cycle guys normally go for for that situation

basically all decas and trens… they are pretty crappy when it comes to long lasting damage and side effects… would want to spread em out as much as possible or not use at all…

Has anyone here done a successful RECOMP cycle? I’m off cycle and being doing a recomp. I’d like to keep doing a recomp when I get back on cycle. What compounds do you suggest? I did a Tren A-Test P-Masteron-Anadrol cutting cycle earlier this year & for my next one I’d like to gain mass & get leaner than last time.

as we already talked in your previous topic - everyone would want this, and no - it wont happen :slight_smile:

The results of my recomp OFF CYCLE isn’t so bad, it’s just not enough. You’re telling me no one’s done a successful recomp cycle ever? Lol. Maybe recomp shouldn’t be a thing at all then :roll_eyes:

Progress pics?

Recomp works if you are seriously undertrained. Like - you have never pushed yourself to any limits, so now when you start to train and diet at the same time, your muscles have some wiggle room to improve while also dieting. If you have some muscle on you for a while, you cant grow muscle in a caloric deficit anymore. The more muscle you have the more work you need to put in to keep it growing. Many people reach a limit where they cant grow an ounce of muscle even on a huge surpluss and very hard training anymore,
Same but opposite is with fatloss - you can recomp if you were in a good shape already but then just fucked up for 6-12 months, but you still have some muscle memory under that, and you just gained bunch of fat and now you will only have to RETURN to where your body was used to be.

Unless a beginner or recomping means to get back to the shape you already were, it is impossible as such.
To grow you need surplus, to lose fat - deficit. Cant be on both. What many people call recomp is basically super slow bulks and cuts one after another.

Technically, your body can gain muscle, and lose fat in different periods of the same day. This is what im trying to do with my insulin experiment - on training days i eat all my daily calories pre-intra-post workout, and then i return to fasting and kardio on the next day.
But the thing is that i take insulin pre and post gym, so i HOPE it does what its supposed to do and it just turbo-uses all that food to grow a bit. While i fast i take HGH so i HOPE it prevents me from losing those few grams of muscle i gained before.
I dont think it can be done without slin and GH. In fact, i am still 80% sure i will just fail at this with slin and GH also.

Those guys who make impressive recomps mostly are genetic elite level bodybuilders who have started new cycles, or got onto a new insulin protocol and blast 20iu of GH and also do site enhancement. You can never forget about site enhancement when you look at famous people in fitness world.
If their genetics are the elite level they can diet down, carb load on slin, blast GH, and put synthol into the right places, and they actually will be heavier and leaner - at least for that picture/show/video/IG post.

It actually is not. Its something that is easy to sell because everyone wants it. No one wants to be a skinny fuck while dieting and no one wants to be a fat fuck to gain some muscle. But when you look at pro athletes, competitive strongmen and powerlifters you will see that they somehow are stupid enough to NOT recomp? Why? Because it doesnt work. Its a gimmick that can be sold alongside cool supplements.
Its the same BS in womens fitness where some bimbos sell food plans and training to grow big ass, but shrink waistline at the same time. And it sells good because girls also dont want to be fat to gain that ass and they dont want to diet down their asses and tits for a flat stomach.

The only way “recomp” works is doing somewhat of a mini-bulks and mini-cuts. But you have to understand that it is a slow process. Every time you cut you lose some muscle, so doing 4week bulk and 4 week cut for a year you will gain, lets say - 6months worth of muscle and diet down at least 4 month worth of muscle. Losing fat is much easier than gaining real tissue so most people would bulk for a year and then just cut for 2-3 months therefore losing musch less total muscle.

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Just going to answer with the AAS because like many of us you are going to do it anyway. Yes, every AAS is different, some are better at bulking, some are better at limiting catabolic impact during a deficit. I like TestC (higher), Tren A, oxandrolone. If you are missing your macros on day or another, this will keep you from an extreme catabolic state. But, as stated, a real bulk needs a calorie surplus. What you are looking to do is tread the line between adding muscle and limiting body fat. Tough to do but is possible, you just won’t add as much muscle if you let yourself go free on macros.

Now that I’m off cycle, I do carb/calorie cycle at the moment, do slow cardio on 2 of my low carb days & HIIT on the other 2 (do 2 hi carb days). I basically work out 6 days a week.

I’ll look into Test C, Tren A & Anavar, thanks. The only prob I’ll have with Tren is if I keep this diet style I may have issues eating surplus on my hi-carb days because it suppresses the appetite.

Try Tren E then, I didn’t because I wanted something with a short half life. It can affect you differently.