Nowadays people equate warriors with a lack of intelligence. Something which is very wrong. They see signs of aggression as lacking in the mental faculty when the thought process needed to execute and complete a fight requires creativity, ingenuity and strategy.[/quote]
I don’t think that “aggression” has gone anywhere. This is WHY there are so many frivolous law suits…why people speed up when you try to pass on the freeway…why high school girls can have their lives ruined by facebook because a pic went viral…why bb.com is filled with extremely loud cowards. The world has changed in such a way that the same aggression is still there. They just react passively because they know they are weak.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t think that “aggression” has gone anywhere. This is WHY there are so many frivolous law suits…why people speed up when you try to pass on the freeway…why high school girls can have their lives ruined by facebook because a pic went viral…why bb.com is filled with extremely loud cowards. The world has changed in such a way that the same aggression is still there. They just react passively because they know they are weak. [/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This X 1000000000
Like guys who shadow box between sets of squat rack curlz and tell their buddies that Georges St-Pierre is ‘just a has been brah, I could take that pussy down’.
I have also seen guys on other bb websites post ridiculous claims such as ‘Dave Tate is a wannabe who doesn’t really know anything’ blah blah blah. These people are weak, jealous and petty.
An ass kicking would probably do these people some good.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Question…if guys like fighting so much, why do we live in a society that discourages any and all physical force relying instead on an overused and abused faulty judicial system and a growing feminine social dominance?
Is it wrong to want to hit something sometimes?
Hundreds of years ago, warriors were valued…now, they are pretty much reviled.[/quote]
X what makes you think that “Guys” like fighting? I will agree that most Guys enjoy to “WATCH” fights or combat movies or real fights for sport (and some not for sport).
But Most people do not enjoy an Acutal fight one on one much less any form of combat. You will have many people fake the funk by saying or telling a story of some azz that soundly kicked. But thats not a Real fight. Your not fighting if there is a slim chance of you losing.
Beating up someone who gives you no challenge or there was little chance they could beat you is not fighting its just Beating someon up. Most enjoy kicking azz few enjoy a Fight.[/quote]
Well, I don’t know about you buddy, but when I was younger I used to enjoy fighting. Did it regularly, and would go out and get shitfaced and look for some trouble.
There’s something pretty liberating about looking in the mirror and seeing those cuts over your eye and knowing not only did you live, but you won…and you got away from getting arrested too.
It took a couple of instances where I or people close to me got hurt before this started changing around. Now I don’t bother most of the time, and because I know the very real danger, it’s lost its fun.
But regardless, the world has changed. In the last 100 years you’ve really had “Civilization” come about, to the point where breathing on somebody wrong can get you locked up. That’s not how it was before- the world was much, much, much more violent.
X talks about the little jerkoffs who call Ronnie Coleman a pussy because they know they’ll never have to face him… that’s just another example of the anonymous internet combining itself with a young generation that’s never been to war and is so petrified of violence that they’ve never gotten into a fight.
The first words out of somebody’s mouth nowadays are “I’m gonna sue you.” This is from little kids up to adults, and ironically its only said after they LOSE a fight. But that’s the kind of world this is for now. I doubt it will always be like that, but this society abhors violence. Except to sell movies and shit, of course. Just don’t actually hit anybody…
And just as an aside- look at this dude, who’s not very well known, as an example of how much different things were in the 1850s. Although it seems like long ago, it really wasn’t on the grand scale, and this guy even became a congressman…can you imagine that now?
“During a fight with a gang member named Tom McCann, Morrissey was pinned on his back atop burning coals from a stove that had been overturned. Morrissey endured the pain as his flesh burned, fought off McCann, and got back on his feet. Enraged, Morrissey beat McCann senseless as smoke from his burning flesh rose up from his back. The event earned him the nickname “Old Smoke,” which stuck with him through the rest of his life.”
this song use to get my hyped back in my lanky skinny pre-teen teen days…i’d watch this shit and just reign down jumpers on my nerf hoop, draw for fucking hrs, i was an animal!!! go punch the neighborhood nerdy kid in the mouth, apologize, then invite him over to play nintendo but tell him not to talk and give me the controller. nuff said.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And just as an aside- look at this dude, who’s not very well known, as an example of how much different things were in the 1850s. Although it seems like long ago, it really wasn’t on the grand scale, and this guy even became a congressman…can you imagine that now?
“During a fight with a gang member named Tom McCann, Morrissey was pinned on his back atop burning coals from a stove that had been overturned. Morrissey endured the pain as his flesh burned, fought off McCann, and got back on his feet. Enraged, Morrissey beat McCann senseless as smoke from his burning flesh rose up from his back. The event earned him the nickname “Old Smoke,” which stuck with him through the rest of his life.”[/quote]
You didn’t read far enough…
“Morrissey then retired from boxing at the insistence of his wife, and returned to Troy, New York.”
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And just as an aside- look at this dude, who’s not very well known, as an example of how much different things were in the 1850s. Although it seems like long ago, it really wasn’t on the grand scale, and this guy even became a congressman…can you imagine that now?
“During a fight with a gang member named Tom McCann, Morrissey was pinned on his back atop burning coals from a stove that had been overturned. Morrissey endured the pain as his flesh burned, fought off McCann, and got back on his feet. Enraged, Morrissey beat McCann senseless as smoke from his burning flesh rose up from his back. The event earned him the nickname “Old Smoke,” which stuck with him through the rest of his life.”[/quote]
You didn’t read far enough…
“Morrissey then retired from boxing at the insistence of his wife, and returned to Troy, New York.”
What a pussy.
WWVD[/quote]
Uh, yeah.
Anywhoo, in today’s society, the man would have been called an animal, considered to be dumb as nails and the fight itself would have ruined any chance for getting into the political position he found himself in later.
Being a man and standing up for yourself without the courts used to be applauded in society. Today, due to never having faced any real life threatening challenges, most of these people today think they can safely say whatever they want about whomever they want with zero consequences.
To me, that doesn’t equal a successful society. Instead, it creates one where the weak rise to the top all while degrading everyone bigger, stronger, faster or smarter than them in an effort to keep them from success…like we haven’t seen that before.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And just as an aside- look at this dude, who’s not very well known, as an example of how much different things were in the 1850s. Although it seems like long ago, it really wasn’t on the grand scale, and this guy even became a congressman…can you imagine that now?
“During a fight with a gang member named Tom McCann, Morrissey was pinned on his back atop burning coals from a stove that had been overturned. Morrissey endured the pain as his flesh burned, fought off McCann, and got back on his feet. Enraged, Morrissey beat McCann senseless as smoke from his burning flesh rose up from his back. The event earned him the nickname “Old Smoke,” which stuck with him through the rest of his life.”[/quote]
You didn’t read far enough…
“Morrissey then retired from boxing at the insistence of his wife, and returned to Troy, New York.”
What a pussy.
WWVD[/quote]
Uh, yeah.
Anywhoo, in today’s society, the man would have been called an animal, considered to be dumb as nails and the fight itself would have ruined any chance for getting into the political position he found himself in later.
Being a man and standing up for yourself without the courts used to be applauded in society. Today, due to never having faced any real life threatening challenges, most of these people today think they can safely say whatever they want about whomever they want with zero consequences.
To me, that doesn’t equal a successful society. Instead, it creates one where the weak rise to the top all while degrading everyone bigger, stronger, faster or smarter than them in an effort to keep them from success…like we haven’t seen that before.[/quote]
I think im might be reading you posts as being too literal and if so i apologize…
but i would much rather live in a society where there are internet hard boys and weekend worriers that will call you a pussy when your just beyond ear shot than a society that requires fighting to resolve something.
I would much rather just walk away than smack someone and them land funny, hit there head and die… or the so called weaker guy making up for his lack of fighting ability by pulling out a weapon.
I definitely think people lack responsible for there actions but that isnt something new is it?
Anywhoo, in today’s society, the man would have been called an animal, considered to be dumb as nails and the fight itself would have ruined any chance for getting into the political position he found himself in later.
Being a man and standing up for yourself without the courts used to be applauded in society. Today, due to never having faced any real life threatening challenges, most of these people today think they can safely say whatever they want about whomever they want with zero consequences.
To me, that doesn’t equal a successful society. Instead, it creates one where the weak rise to the top all while degrading everyone bigger, stronger, faster or smarter than them in an effort to keep them from success…like we haven’t seen that before.[/quote]
So fuckin true.
It’s kind of funny, cause when I was younger I worked in a very blue collar environment with a lot of cats that were either immigrants or straight out the ghetto. They were dudes that had been in and out of jail for years, were probably recovering or current drug users of some sort, and really only had jobs to pay their child support bills.
I almost got into a number of fights there, obviously, over my course of employment, simply because if you were going to talk shit to them, you’d better be willing to back it up. They didn’t give a fuck about getting fired from that shit job- if you fucked around you’d better watch yourself.
In that world view, violence was law- firing was second hand. You spit on the ground and look at one of them hispanic dudes, and you’re going to fight.
Now I work in a real corporate kind of job, and the people that X is talking about I notice have no problem rising to positions of power because of the “HR” department (which is still a conundrum to me) has people cowering in fear.
Guys will pop off at somebody quickly because they know the chance of violence is very low. The people they tend to do it towards are the weaker ones who won’t stand up for themselves… and again, without the threat of violence, these mysterious HR people settle disputes.
None of them have done it to me, and I’m curious as to how I would react if it did. I certainly wouldn’t call HR. That’s not the world I come from.
I think im might be reading you posts as being too literal and if so i apologize…
but i would much rather live in a society where there are internet hard boys and weekend worriers that will call you a pussy when your just beyond ear shot than a society that requires fighting to resolve something.
I would much rather just walk away than smack someone and them land funny, hit there head and die… or the so called weaker guy making up for his lack of fighting ability by pulling out a weapon.
I definitely think people lack responsible for there actions but that isnt something new is it?[/quote]
Yes, it is something new. For instance, I seriously doubt 300 years ago that if someone made an “ad” about their new ale making you more attractive to women, that someone would sue for damages when they didn’t get laid. http://www.the-injury-lawyer-directory.com/bud_light_lawsuit.html
It is no one else’s responsibility to raise your kids either, yet how many times are we assaulted with parents complaining about a tv program they could easily turn off or cds they don’t have to buy?
Yes, a world where you can get knocked the fuck out for being a jackass equals LESS jackasses…or at least less jackasses who will let the world know how much of a jackass they are.
I was about 10 when Kung Fu theater was still playing on channel 5 and 9 in NYC area so I loved all the old Kung Fu classics but don’t remember most of their names. My older brother always had to put me back in my place after I watched these and then foolishly tried to take him on.
The movies I do know:
Shogun Assassin (I love how nobody is even close to a challenge to this guy)
The original Iron Monkey
5 Deadly Venoms
All of Bruce Lee’s movies
Bloodsport and Kickboxer
Roadhouse for a few scenes
Various Steven Segal fight scenes but I couldn’t name any of the movies. They’re all “Hard to Kill” if you asked me.
I didn’t like either of the Kill Bill’s. I can never get into the movies where chic’s kick ass.
I don’t know if this one counts but the Tyson documentary where he narrated the whole thing was pretty bad ass too.
I stopped giving people the finger in my car when I was 17. Some dude followed me so I pulled over and got out of the car to kick his ass. He proceeded to toss me around like a rag doll until I learned my lesson. I think he didn’t throw any punches on purpose, he just wanted to teach me a lesson. He was around 10 years older, 6’3 and close to 300 lbs. I was 6’ 150. I later found out from my friend (who watched the whole thing) that his nickname was ironically “mouse” and he worked at the local tire shop.
This of course was before cell phones were around and it wasn’t uncommon for someone to follow you and attempt to kick your ass for giving them the finger in your car. Circa 1993. These days, everyone has the safety of their cell phone to fall back on for situations like the one above.
I think im might be reading you posts as being too literal and if so i apologize…
but i would much rather live in a society where there are internet hard boys and weekend worriers that will call you a pussy when your just beyond ear shot than a society that requires fighting to resolve something.
I would much rather just walk away than smack someone and them land funny, hit there head and die… or the so called weaker guy making up for his lack of fighting ability by pulling out a weapon.
I definitely think people lack responsible for there actions but that isnt something new is it?[/quote]
Yes, it is something new. For instance, I seriously doubt 300 years ago that if someone made an “ad” about their new ale making you more attractive to women, that someone would sue for damages when they didn’t get laid. http://www.the-injury-lawyer-directory.com/bud_light_lawsuit.html
It is no one else’s responsibility to raise your kids either, yet how many times are we assaulted with parents complaining about a tv program they could easily turn off or cds they don’t have to buy?
Yes, a world where you can get knocked the fuck out for being a jackass equals LESS jackasses…or at least less jackasses who will let the world know how much of a jackass they are.[/quote]
QFT. I can relate to the whole passive aggressive thing cos I’ve seen it in most Asian cities I’ve been in (except Bangkok, but that’ll change). I’ve had a friend have a cop come to his doorstep and ask him to haul some mattresses he was sunning back in-doors; none of his neighbours had said anything about it before hand. They’re first course of action were to call the cops as opposed to a confrontation, even when that confrontation would more than likely be friendly and short-worded.
There’s an asshole in my building that blasts his shitty trance music every once in a while, windows open to amplify the effect, at close to midnight, when most responsible people are in bed. Not once has anyone other than myself knocked on his door and told him to STFU. I remember his reaction clearly when I did, trying to ignore me and essentially hide in his room while I could clearly see him through his open window.
I have this theory that people here (Singapore) have a very real fear of confrontation, even in their 20s (exceptions being guys from less well-off backgrounds since a lot of them are crowded into ‘tougher’ schools). They grow up having little to no conflict, physical or otherwise, with their peers, and in the long run, when the time comes to get in someone’s face and call him out for being a dick, or simply to ask him to haul his dirty mattresses back into his apartment, they feel out of their element.
Over here males have to serve two years in the army, and a good portion of them end up doing 1-1.5 years as a commander in a unit. The amount of vitriol that spewed out of the mouths of some of my sergeants, and my own, once we were in a position of control with little consequence attached to things we said you’d think you were in another country. My CO joked that being in a command position would either bring the best out of you or turn you into a complete asshole.
I think it’s a shame that men now need lawyers, cops (here at least), and booze, to grow a pair and settle a dispute. I’m not for fighting, mind you, just a little real confrontation.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
I don’t know if this one counts but the Tyson documentary where he narrated the whole thing was pretty bad ass too.
[/quote]
YES! This movie was brilliant. I loved the way they’d get him to repeat his speech and overlap the audio. That part where he describes his state of mind while entering the ring was poetic; “All through my training I feared this man, I thought he might be able to beat me. The closer I get to the ring the more confident I get, closer more confident. When I get into the ring, I’m a god, no one can beat me.”
Like you, I’m not sure I’d call it a combat film, but if you have any appreciation for boxing or combat sports, you need to watch this one.
