Best Attack In A Fight

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If you have an instant to set yourself, put your hands, palms open, about 12 inches in front of your throat. Most guys windmill, so as your opponent steps forward, duck your head slightly and drive full-bodied toward his face with your hands. Wrap your lead hand behind his head and with your rear hand ‘scrub’ his eyes with your fingertips. This will totally F the biggest, meanest opponents.
This was taught to Marines going to the south Pacific – it was assumed that all Japanese were martial artists.

BTW: if you can’t set (surprize attack), use elbows as a first strike, then follew with the eye rake above.

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What is your point? Read the p.s. that explains my position.

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
For a mastermind you don’t read very well.

Mastermind wrote:
My god guys, Pragmatist and Xen are the only good posts here. All the rest of that shit, is school yard play time.

Take out the throat, eyes, zyphoid(sp?) or jaw, then collar bone, then elbow, then ribs, then knees, then the guy never attacks anyone again… ever.

If you want to learn what I mean and how to do it, just enlist and make it to elite.

Rolo.

p.s. if the level of engagement I’m speaking of here seems extreme to anyone, then I ask, what the fuck are you doing in a fight unless yours or your loved ones lives are at risk?

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A KO actually comes from twisting the neck. There is a large bunch of nerves in the back of the neck that when the neck is twisted quickly (say a hook on the tip of the jaw) makes for a blackout\KO.

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It depends on age also,a few months back some big a-hole tried to assault my 73 yr.old dad in the grocery store.He gave the guy a quick kick to the knee cap and fortunately the guy had to hobble off holding his knee.

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Any real martial artist will tell you, there is no “one attack.” As soon as some one engages you, your #1 goal is to incapacitate that person so you can RUN AWAY. This is why, I think, BJJ is perhaps the WORST martial art you can learn for protecting yourself. Think about it, how many times have you seen a pure one on one fight? Never. Street fights always have multiple combatants, and that armbar isn’t gonna help you when you’re getting your head crushed by his three other friends.

Concerning the “best attack,” you should use all the weapons you have at your disposal. If this means you can leg sweep, eye gouge, and groin strike in rapid succession, or simultaneously, then by all means do so! You want to remove your opponent’s grounding. Most people when they fight, especially if they’re angered, stand very straight and use alot of energy taunting their victim. You want to stay low so as to keep your means of mobility (your legs) operational. You want to remove his at all costs.

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a nice hard left. they don’t see it comin’!

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One problem with having more than one counter is speed-response. It has been shown that having multiple options slows down response time – which is obviously the last thing you want! If you protect your centerline, your opponent will most likely try roundhouse punches, round kicks, etc. This is when you drive forward, lock the head with your lead hand and scrub the eyes with your reverse hand.

Of course, the price for this gain in speed is that you are less versatile. Everything has a price…

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I thought I’d see what you feel would be the best first strike/s to execute in a fight.
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you idiots…without a doubt…

illegal ninja moves from the government is the most kick-ass shit you could do in a fight…

like, DUH!

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My point is I said that I would attack the eyes first and follow with open palm strikes, since I cannot kick particularly well.

You didn’t read my post all the way through.

And I agree with those who said that not getting in a fight to begin with is the best option, and that is how I have always carried myself. I back down, if I bump into someone in a club or bar I apologize 2x with a smile (i’m 6’2, 275 lbs so I bump into others easily and vicecersa) and I don’t look for trouble.

But I have lost my temper 3x in the last 10 years, and 2x it led to physical contact - I’m not perfect by any means.

Thank goodness no one got hurt.

[quote]Mastermind wrote:
What is your point? Read the p.s. that explains my position.

Sonny S wrote:
For a mastermind you don’t read very well.

Mastermind wrote:
My god guys, Pragmatist and Xen are the only good posts here. All the rest of that shit, is school yard play time.

Take out the throat, eyes, zyphoid(sp?) or jaw, then collar bone, then elbow, then ribs, then knees, then the guy never attacks anyone again… ever.

If you want to learn what I mean and how to do it, just enlist and make it to elite.

Rolo.

p.s. if the level of engagement I’m speaking of here seems extreme to anyone, then I ask, what the fuck are you doing in a fight unless yours or your loved ones lives are at risk?

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Tell your grandpa he’s a cool mofo and I’d love to buy him a beer.

And tell him thanks for showing a kick to the leg is a good first attack!

[quote]ron33 wrote:
It depends on age also,a few months back some big a-hole tried to assault my 73 yr.old dad in the grocery store.He gave the guy a quick kick to the knee cap and fortunately the guy had to hobble off holding his knee.[/quote]

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
good thread, but there’s some weird damn repsonses. no offense, but i seriously think some of you have never been in a real fight, or have any concept of the law.

if you cause someone serious bodily injury (like taking out an eye or actually breaking some bones), you damn better be (a) in fear of your life and verbalize this, (b), the bad guy better have the means to hurt you (if he’s 5’5" 150lbs and you’re a 6’4" 250 professional boxer this will not work) and (c) the bad guy has threatened you or made threatening gestures. if not, you’re going to jail and probably gonna have a civil suit…

and secondly, throwing some of these techniques out there?? like “i’d use a spinning ninja face smash.” no, you’ll use what you’re trained on, since most people can’t think when they have that adrenal dump. in the vast majority of the street fights i’ve been in, i simply punch them in the face as hard and as fast as i could, usually with a right cross. the scariest thing i’ve seen in fights is when somebody with a black belt tries some complicated technique, gets jammed up and beat up. again, this is why most boxers do well in a fight-they don’t “freeze” or flinch when they get hit, and they’re used to strike a moving target.

i’ve had a guy knee me in the balls, who i promptly picked up by this throat and bounced him off a few walls-so the “nad” shot is not a tried and true technique. if you use it on someone who is an actual fighter, they usually jus tget reall, really mad.

i’ve had a guy do that cool jeet kune do shin stomp on me, too…of course he slipped on some beer as he did it and i ended up kneeing him in the face a couple times.

i’m just saying that some of the techniques thrown out there are not practical for either legal reason, or because many of the users have never used them full speed in training with a real target.[/quote]

I have to agree with the guys that would take their attacker out as violently as possible, eyes and throat because whether you want to admit it or not every fight is life and death, you dont know how far the other guy is going to take it, or if in the fight you hit the ground hard and you die.
Here in Melbourne last year a cricket player was hit once by a bouncer his head hit the pavement and he died, the bouncer didn’t mean it but it does’nt make him any less dead.
Also we are assumeing that you are not the one starting the fight but just defending yourself, you think the 5’5" cant take out the 6,5", just because he’s big dont mean he cant get hurt.
I work both as a bodyguard and also do bouncing work and I am 5’11" the guys that start fights where I work are 6’4" and always in groups,if I get hurt nobody cares, neither the public nor the Police give a flying fuck, but if I hurt someone all hell breakes loose, when the facts are I dont have the same options that the other guy has I cant just walk away and if you cant walk away then you have to what ever you have to make it home alive.

if you can avoid a fight do so but if you cannot,dont show any mercy

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I am a cop, have been for 13 years. I have 8 housing projects in my district alone and I work the midnight shift as a supervisor. I fight for two reasons. One to save my ass, two to save someone else’s. If you are punching people in the face you are making a mistake. Even if you can do so without breaking your hand the mere possibility of doing so should worry you. Once your hand is broken, and most likely it will be your power hand, your are toast. I see it all the time at the local bars.

When confronting a violent perp I throw two punches back to back then make full contact to take them down. The first strike is a cobra strike to the throat. The second and immediate strike is to the side of the neck to the brachial plexus just in case the crack head could withstand the throat shot. A man who can not breath can not fight. And the ones that stay on their feet will soon meet the asphalt as the brachial plexus stun will make their legs into noodles and they will drop.

I am not a big guy, 6ft and 180. I find myself in violent situations by myself all the time and although I would be killed if I was a competitive fighter I have NEVER had a perp get the better of me on the street.If your fighting it is not for shits and giggles. It is for pink slips and these pink slips are death certificates.

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I have never been in a street fight (grade school doesn’t count). My only “fighting experience” comes from doing Muay Thai for 3+ years, wrestling in high school for 2 years (which probably doesn’t count), pankration for 9 months, and learning about various martial arts (through talking w/ other martial art folks etc.) such as Hwa Rang Do. I have had some side training in “how to deal with street fights” by my Muay Thai instructor who’s been in quite a few throughout his life (he use to be gun-ho and beat the crap out of a Golden Glove when he was young).

First off, there are so many variables involved, such as, what’s the size disparity, reach disparity? The aggressiveness of your opponent (is he just charging in blindly enraged or doing the lil’ hop-pop dance like so many young ones do when they imitate light boxers)? Are THEY trained in martial arts? What’s the surface both of you standing on are like? How in/ out of shape are both of you?

A oversimplified answer for me would be, given general fighting range, I’d charge in with one of my elbow (put your palm to the side of your face) and get ready to drop that on his chest as soon as you get in close (you hope to clip him in the chin as you are coming in). The benefit of the raised elbow helps to protect you a bit and it would jam up (to a degree, again, depends on various variables) his attacks, i.e. kick, or if he were cocking back to throw a punch. Then you can go various route after that, elbow to the face, knee to the side of the leg (damn that nerve when struck can take down any mofo). On and on.

In general I like the elbow. I would say open palm > closed fist because of the risk of breaking the fist like many have pointed out above. I would not kick as a first strike, perhaps as a second. This is because your body telegraphs a kick much more so than what you do with your upper body and also because you do not want to be on one leg (what if you miss?); it leaves you vulnerable. If you are to kick, don’t do a high kick go for a quick and hard leg kick; it reduces the chance of you getting caught in a vulnerable position (or rather, reduces that vulnerability of that position). As for the kick to the nuts, when you go agro, that really doesn’t work as well as many anticipates it would.
Another option I might do is wait for him to throw the first punch (assuming it’s just some punk off the street who isn’t trained in any martial arts), they’ll just throw a hail mary that’s easily avoided and I’d roll, step in hard, and go from there, knee to the stomach, palm to the side of the head, etc.

Oh, also, you can often just hold on to the guy, give him 10 seconds to struggle all he wants and punch you all he wants (we aren’t designed to punch someone literally hugging us) and he’ll wear himself out (agro also wastes a lot of energy).

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[quote]oicu812many wrote:
I am a cop, have been for 13 years. I have 8 housing projects in my district alone and I work the midnight shift as a supervisor. I fight for two reasons. One to save my ass, two to save someone else’s. If you are punching people in the face you are making a mistake. Even if you can do so without breaking your hand the mere possibility of doing so should worry you. Once your hand is broken, and most likely it will be your power hand, your are toast. I see it all the time at the local bars.

When confronting a violent perp I throw two punches back to back then make full contact to take them down. The first strike is a cobra strike to the throat. The second and immediate strike is to the side of the neck to the brachial plexus just in case the crack head could withstand the throat shot. A man who can not breath can not fight. And the ones that stay on their feet will soon meet the asphalt as the brachial plexus stun will make their legs into noodles and they will drop.

I am not a big guy, 6ft and 180. I find myself in violent situations by myself all the time and although I would be killed if I was a competitive fighter I have NEVER had a perp get the better of me on the street.If your fighting it is not for shits and giggles. It is for pink slips and these pink slips are death certificates.[/quote]

Notice guys how a police officer has one response. If you have a lot of choices, it’ll slow you down. Good advice from someone who knows.

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Does anyone have a description of a cobra strike? I’m having trouble Googling it. Thanks.

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Bless you, Iron Hell. Nice avatar.

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I’ve read many of the responses in this thread and have to say most of the solutions provided are too complicated or just plane nuts and will get you either killed or locked up.

I have a LOT of experience fighting. In my lifetime I can honestly say I’ve been in well over 400 or 500 street fights. I know that sounds like bullshit but read on.

My old man was a mean drunk and thought I was his personal punching bag. I also have an older brother that is more than 10 yrs my senior who also thought I was his punching bag. When I was a kid I grew up poor and lived in shitty neighborhoods around the city of New Orleans where you had to fight to prove yourself or had to take a lot of crap and I mean a lot.

When I was a kid I had to learn to box because my old man had been a Golden Gloves champ and insisted. I took to it like a duck to water. I leaned to enjoy the conflict and wanted to get fancy after seeing a few Bruce Lee movies so I moved on to MA. I was very good and really enjoyed it and thrived on the violence much to the dismay of my Sensei. To get away from my dad, my brother and the shitheads in school and the neighborhood I went into the military and was in S.O.s for 5 yrs. When I got out of the military I became a Police Officer and for nearly 20 yrs I worked for 2 different departments in and around New Orleans.

Because I had a reputation for being able to handle myself, I usually had the crappiest beats involving very dangerous housing projects dealing with a constant cast of characters like gang-bangers, crack-heads, and assholes of all kinds most of the time. In most cases you never knew when shit would happen but it was usually a daily and even sometimes more frequent event. And if it was a holiday because of the more than usual alcohol and/or drug consumption you could count on getting a bonus of bullshit.

In physical confrontations I found what works best for me is most people expect you to go for the obvious, the face or the nuts, so they are usually prepared for it. However, most don’t expect a good strong uppercut to the diaphragm. I don’t care how big, bad and strong you are if you take a good shot right under the ribs, especially just medial of the flank areas you will be gasping for air and are all mine afterwards. Also when you go for the face or nuts you are aiming for a small, guarded and illusive target. The abdomen is big, usually wide open and hard to miss.

After taking the wind out of their sails my goal wasn’t to mangle them but rather subdue them and take them in. I’d lock their wrist and elbow behind them and put them face down on the ground, hood of a car or against a wall and cuff them. If they were really juiced up the wristlock and armlock rendered them helpless even in extreme cases such as PCP freak outs. I have dislocated a few wrists, elbows and completely separated more than a few shoulders using this technique. Not to mention had a little fun making a few idiots eat a little grass and mud, but I digress, LOL. After taking that course of action even the biggest, badest and most stoned fuckers were done and didn’t want to play anymore.

Fighting is like everything else in life. If you keep it simple and if done correctly you get to go home and nobody gets killed; maybe. Also by keeping things simple you are more likely able to actually perform the technique when the shit hits the fan.

That’s my 2 cents and the voice of experience. Sorry for the long post.

AssBuster

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Boot to the Head!

beagleweb.com/personal/boottothehead.html

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Assbuster, nice. Yes, that’s the other option, going for the kidney shot. A lot of people imitate boxers and get their hands high up protecting their heads but they don’t pick the subtle slight bend at the knees and waist to help protect your midsection (that is unprotected) with their elbows.

The only catch with a body shot first is that, like a kick as your first strike, leaves yourself very vulnerable.

But yeah, I can attest to a kidney shot being VERY affective (I’ve sparred with Danny “Hard as” Steele a few times) and a well planted kidney shot can knock the wind out of you. (But again, so can a lot of other “shots”.)

Nice post. Glad to see you didn’t transfer your experiences growing up to something negative like becoming a gang-banger yourself, but rather, something totally opposite. Props man, props.

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[quote]zdrax wrote:
Any real martial artist will tell you, there is no “one attack.” As soon as some one engages you, your #1 goal is to incapacitate that person so you can RUN AWAY. This is why, I think, BJJ is perhaps the WORST martial art you can learn for protecting yourself. Think about it, how many times have you seen a pure one on one fight? Never. Street fights always have multiple combatants, and that armbar isn’t gonna help you when you’re getting your head crushed by his three other friends.

Concerning the “best attack,” you should use all the weapons you have at your disposal. If this means you can leg sweep, eye gouge, and groin strike in rapid succession, or simultaneously, then by all means do so! You want to remove your opponent’s grounding. Most people when they fight, especially if they’re angered, stand very straight and use alot of energy taunting their victim. You want to stay low so as to keep your means of mobility (your legs) operational. You want to remove his at all costs. [/quote]

Man I dont know about that one. My buddy is into the BJJ and MMA stuff, and he’s wicked in bar fights. I understand what you are saying, but what I have seen things that seem to prove otherwise.

The other thing about BJJ is that you tend to pull the guy close to you. This is fine in the ring, but in the street, the guy could pull a knife real easy, so I wouldnt want to be that close. However, most fights go to the ground, so its a good thing to know I guess.