What’s the shortest distance from point A to point B?
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
What’s the shortest distance from point A to point B?[/quote]
That’s a bit of a backward approach to the question. It’s already been covered for the most part, but if the natural (unequipped) path of the bar is in an arc, you’ll be able to lift more weight through that arc than you would if you were trying to resist that path and push up in a straight line up from your sternum. It’s not about what the shortest distance is. It’s about lifting more weight. Obviously shortening the path of the bar will help, but the lifter takes steps to do that on the bottom portion by arching.
Haven’t heard MMs reasoning on this, or if they covered this. Would pushing the weight in a curved path be a form-forced exercise? Some article talked about that for beginners, using exercises that require better form to produce (box squat is the only thing coming to mind, for depth)?
My guessing on it would be the higher up the more long-head activation on the tris, better leverage on delts/pecs, etc, or am I completely shooting in the dark?
anyone ever hear wendler say “bring the bar to your dick and then back over your head?”
[quote]Chap Manly wrote:
Eh the metal militia’s science behind benching back over the face, is that its easier to push something up a ramp (at an angle) than straight up. Which is true, but I still advocate the WSB science of pushing a shorter distance.[/quote]
The reason its easier to push something up a ramp is because you aren’t working against as much gravity (the mellower the incline the less directly you are working against gravity and the easier it will be).
In something like a bench press, this doesn’t really apply because there is not a physical ramp holding the weight, so you are still fighting the same amt of gravity no matter what path you take the bar. You would just be using more energy moving the bar on the horizontal plane as well as straight up. (It may or may not still be easier to press at the angle if it gives your body better leverage or able to activate more muscles, but more total energy will have to be expended)
[quote]thogue wrote:
[quote]Chap Manly wrote:
Eh the metal militia’s science behind benching back over the face, is that its easier to push something up a ramp (at an angle) than straight up. Which is true, but I still advocate the WSB science of pushing a shorter distance.[/quote]
The reason its easier to push something up a ramp is because you aren’t working against as much gravity (the mellower the incline the less directly you are working against gravity and the easier it will be).
In something like a bench press, this doesn’t really apply because there is not a physical ramp holding the weight, so you are still fighting the same amt of gravity no matter what path you take the bar. You would just be using more energy moving the bar on the horizontal plane as well as straight up. (It may or may not still be easier to press at the angle if it gives your body better leverage or able to activate more muscles, but more total energy will have to be expended)[/quote]
Thank you. No offense to metal guys, but the ramp idea for bench is not a physically real concept. It’s entirely possible it makes the bench easier for other reasons, but not because you are pushing it up some imaginary ramp.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]thogue wrote:
[quote]Chap Manly wrote:
Eh the metal militia’s science behind benching back over the face, is that its easier to push something up a ramp (at an angle) than straight up. Which is true, but I still advocate the WSB science of pushing a shorter distance.[/quote]
The reason its easier to push something up a ramp is because you aren’t working against as much gravity (the mellower the incline the less directly you are working against gravity and the easier it will be).
In something like a bench press, this doesn’t really apply because there is not a physical ramp holding the weight, so you are still fighting the same amt of gravity no matter what path you take the bar. You would just be using more energy moving the bar on the horizontal plane as well as straight up. (It may or may not still be easier to press at the angle if it gives your body better leverage or able to activate more muscles, but more total energy will have to be expended)[/quote]
Thank you. No offense to metal guys, but the ramp idea for bench is not a physically real concept. It’s entirely possible it makes the bench easier for other reasons, but not because you are pushing it up some imaginary ramp.[/quote]
Eh I agree for the most part. I did want to throw out the MM’s thought on it since someone had mentioned them.
Im confused, how exactly are you supposed to do it if you are a raw bencher?
[quote]Brian14 wrote:
Im confused, how exactly are you supposed to do it if you are a raw bencher?[/quote]
Look in BOI forum in “How’s my form” 3rd page you will see my video and maraudermeat’s advice.