Some have done DB bench presses combined with cable crossovers simultaneously, which would be largely equivalent.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Interesting idea. Wouldn’t dumbbell press, with bands pulling your arms outwards to the sides, do the trick even better? It would work both functions of the pecs pretty well. I’ve never tried it just as I describe, and it might be a little cumbersome, but if you can picture what I’m saying, I think it would work the pecs very well if you could set it up properly.[/quote]
thanks, this is where someone would possibly just say that db flys are indicated even though db flys do not have equal tension in the pecs throughout the full range of motion. This would mostly be the same principal but I think cumbersome could be an understatement.
[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Reminds me of another thread in another forum.
You can believe what you want. All others can do is present correct information for you: it is up to you whether to accept it.
In particular, if you believe that the biceps are prime movers in transverse extension of the upper arms (beyond the short head having slight involvement) and increasing biceps involvement is the key to a big bench press, that is your human right and it’s your right as an American to express it, no doubt.
who’s arguing with correct information? It’s not like I’m saying spread your legs apart when you squat and you’ll have a hyoooge chest. I know what I’m talking about.
I did not say the biceps are the primary movers of transverse extension. And the elbows follow your hands when your move your entire arm so yes, if you focus on moving the elbows inwards, that helps as well.
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I think Bill’s just stating that elbows in is better than hands in. They both are attached to the upper arm, and provides the same stimulus to the pecs. If you focus on hands forcing in you contract the pecs. If you focus on elbows in, you focus on contracting the pecs. They are pretty much the same for chest development, however what has not been mentioned is that the flared elbow position shown in the OP’s pic is not safe for the shoulders.
[quote]carlthescorp wrote:
BulletproofTiger wrote:
Interesting idea. Wouldn’t dumbbell press, with bands pulling your arms outwards to the sides, do the trick even better? It would work both functions of the pecs pretty well. I’ve never tried it just as I describe, and it might be a little cumbersome, but if you can picture what I’m saying, I think it would work the pecs very well if you could set it up properly.
thanks, this is where someone would possibly just say that db flys are indicated even though db flys do not have equal tension in the pecs throughout the full range of motion. This would mostly be the same principal but I think cumbersome could be an understatement.
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I was referring to DB press, like Bill described. Cable cross over and bands would provide a proximally similar result.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
carlthescorp wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Reminds me of another thread in another forum.
You can believe what you want. All others can do is present correct information for you: it is up to you whether to accept it.
In particular, if you believe that the biceps are prime movers in transverse extension of the upper arms (beyond the short head having slight involvement) and increasing biceps involvement is the key to a big bench press, that is your human right and it’s your right as an American to express it, no doubt.
who’s arguing with correct information? It’s not like I’m saying spread your legs apart when you squat and you’ll have a hyoooge chest. I know what I’m talking about.
I did not say the biceps are the primary movers of transverse extension. And the elbows follow your hands when your move your entire arm so yes, if you focus on moving the elbows inwards, that helps as well.
I think Bill’s just stating that elbows in (*elbows driving inward) is better than hands in (*hands driving inward). They both are attached to the upper arm, and provides the same stimulus to the pecs. If you focus on hands forcing in you contract the pecs. If you focus on elbows in, you focus on contracting the pecs. They are pretty much the same for chest development, however what has not been mentioned is that the flared elbow position shown in the OP’s pic is not safe for the shoulders.[/quote]
haha, I just grabbed a random pic, yes you do not want to flare your elbows. funny guy.
I think unless you’re coaching someone, you are over thinking this.
Plus, there’s only about 30 of us ‘advanced’ lifters at the rec.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Interesting idea. Wouldn’t dumbbell press, with bands pulling your arms outwards to the sides, do the trick even better? It would work both functions of the pecs pretty well. I’ve never tried it just as I describe, and it might be a little cumbersome, but if you can picture what I’m saying, I think it would work the pecs very well if you could set it up properly.[/quote]
I actually do this quite often. The best set up I’ve found is to get the band and make it into an “eight” behind your back. Loop the bands around your thumbs. This way you can grab the dumbbells like normal. The bands will be between your thumb and the DB handles now. This configuration will keep the bands from “rolling” up your back. The band tension at the top is great because it keeps the tension on the muscle at all times.
Ive seen Dave Tate do something like this but it was with a special bar that let him move his hands almost together… its hard to explain