[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
also, how about the claims of the belt becoming too much of a crutch? like for example, i feel like right now my “core” is not strong enough, and that this causes me to fold a little with the squat. to counter this, i have been trying to incorporate my belt less or at least wait til heavier weights. i do compete, so i know the benefits of the belt, but i am sort of thinking out loud.
hanley, this is sort of addressed to you…[/quote]
that feeling is not true. Use the belt and learn to use the belt. I use at over 315. Until some recent illnesses I was close to a 600 deadlift. Do you think I have a weak core?
Lumbar and hip muscles are part of your “core” btw. The problem you are having is due to being weak overall , not just a weak core.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
also, how about the claims of the belt becoming too much of a crutch? like for example, i feel like right now my “core” is not strong enough, and that this causes me to fold a little with the squat. to counter this, i have been trying to incorporate my belt less or at least wait til heavier weights. i do compete, so i know the benefits of the belt, but i am sort of thinking out loud.
hanley, this is sort of addressed to you…
I dunno tbh… I’ve been unsuccessful with my deadlift so far. No matter how strong my core gets, I still tend to round out. I can only assume this is due to my lower back and not abs being weak.
I don’t see the need to wear a belt on warm ups at all really, I’m just too lazy to put it on half the time tbh![/quote]
Some rounding happens due to biomechanical variances. Vince Anello rounded and deadlifted over 800 at 198 in the 70s. You’re a strong guy who might just be built a certain way.
[quote]Pipes06 wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Hanley wrote:
How the fcuk does wearing a belt WEAKEN your back???
Beat me to it.
Hanley, everyone knows that belts are only for gear-wearing cheaters. There’s no point in denying it. LOL
Hanley, Steel Nation:
My apologies, but my proffesional opinion guides me in formally DISAGREEING with both of you. Think about it. All of the weakest people in general I see are ALWAYS the ones walking around with a belt on the entire time. Coincidence? i think not :-P[/quote]
Wrong, people that are weak because they don’t train hard an consistently, not do to wearing a belt. IE, they are lazy unmotivated fucks.
A year ago I did a 570 deadlift at 202. I just missed 600 in march and june. I developed health issues, gall bladder, shingles, injury, and stomach virus that wasn’t fixed until now. My deadlift might be 515 to 525 now.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
also, how about the claims of the belt becoming too much of a crutch? like for example, i feel like right now my “core” is not strong enough, and that this causes me to fold a little with the squat. to counter this, i have been trying to incorporate my belt less or at least wait til heavier weights. i do compete, so i know the benefits of the belt, but i am sort of thinking out loud.
hanley, this is sort of addressed to you…
I dunno tbh… I’ve been unsuccessful with my deadlift so far. No matter how strong my core gets, I still tend to round out. I can only assume this is due to my lower back and not abs being weak.
I don’t see the need to wear a belt on warm ups at all really, I’m just too lazy to put it on half the time tbh!
Some rounding happens due to biomechanical variances. Vince Anello rounded and deadlifted over 800 at 198 in the 70s. You’re a strong guy who might just be built a certain way.
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Thanks man, I dunno tho…
I don’t expect near max pulls to be picture perfect - check this out, maybe you can offer some suggestions? Deadlift 232.5kg x5 - YouTube
I’d suggest doing a lot of work with Romanians where your focus is feeling a high degree of hamstring stretch with the bar as HIGH as possible at the lowest point. This might be no lower then knees. The higher you can get this point of strong stretch by virtue of how you hold your back, the better, for this purpose anyway.
(For same flexibility: I am not discussing whether your hamstring flexibility is improving or suggesting that shortened hamstrings are preferable.)
And your head nice and high as well, for a given degree of good hamstring stretch, rather than feeling that the lower the head is, the better, as some may perhaps tend to feel.
In other words, doing Romanians with a fine arch rather than rounded all over.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
also, how about the claims of the belt becoming too much of a crutch? like for example, i feel like right now my “core” is not strong enough, and that this causes me to fold a little with the squat. to counter this, i have been trying to incorporate my belt less or at least wait til heavier weights. i do compete, so i know the benefits of the belt, but i am sort of thinking out loud.
hanley, this is sort of addressed to you…
that feeling is not true. Use the belt and learn to use the belt. I use at over 315. Until some recent illnesses I was close to a 600 deadlift. Do you think I have a weak core?
Lumbar and hip muscles are part of your “core” btw. The problem you are having is due to being weak overall , not just a weak core.
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like i said, i typically throw it on as weights get heavier. anywhere after 315-365 and i put it on. i think after my next comp, i am going to do some work completely without it tho. i like seeing the people in competition with nothing but chalk. i think it would be cool to have that sort of confidence in my back. its the only thing i have pulled and i have done it twice…
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
i skipped a hole page so i dont know if this has been covered, but typically with squatting i put the belt as tight as possible. when i get my air, it makes the weight feel lighter during the unrack.
on deads, i start with the belt a little loose, maybe a notch off from squatting. it helps me breathe a little and also get down, if it is too tight, i struggle to get down properly. ALSO, and this seems like a crucial thing to me, i shove the front of the belt down as far as it will go on my belly. that way it kinda grabs me at the bottom.[/quote]
I do the same thing. Using a belt on squats and deads is a totally different thing.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
also, how about the claims of the belt becoming too much of a crutch? like for example, i feel like right now my “core” is not strong enough, and that this causes me to fold a little with the squat. to counter this, i have been trying to incorporate my belt less or at least wait til heavier weights. i do compete, so i know the benefits of the belt, but i am sort of thinking out loud.
hanley, this is sort of addressed to you…
I dunno tbh… I’ve been unsuccessful with my deadlift so far. No matter how strong my core gets, I still tend to round out. I can only assume this is due to my lower back and not abs being weak.
I don’t see the need to wear a belt on warm ups at all really, I’m just too lazy to put it on half the time tbh!
Some rounding happens due to biomechanical variances. Vince Anello rounded and deadlifted over 800 at 198 in the 70s. You’re a strong guy who might just be built a certain way.
Thanks man, I dunno tho…
I don’t expect near max pulls to be picture perfect - check this out, maybe you can offer some suggestions? Deadlift 232.5kg x5 - YouTube
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I personally don’t think you looked that bad. The rounding was minimal IMO. The number one thing I have done to increase my deadlift was to do pulls against bands.
I have sumo jump stretch platform and am working my way back up to come back from all of my nonsense. My pulls with 295 for three singles are about 540-550 at the top.
This taught me how to get fast and really helped out the lockout.
I found once my belt broke in and was “shaped” to my hips, it was MUCH better for deadlifts. I also only do my very heavy sets with a belt on, all my warmups and such are always beltless for all lifts.
tom, not sure why you would put the belt on after only 315-365 if you are shooting for a 600 pull, me and my training partner normally don’t put ours on til about 455. on topic, look at good lifters on pl watch or elite fitness, all wear belts when deading, i personally do not know why you wouldn’t. konstatine has the 3rd highest pull ever and is only in the 275 class, he wears his belt really really high, he explains it on dieselcrew.com but i think you have to find what you like, it should never hinder your lift.
“anyone can have a big deadlift, they just need to pull up their sack and do it,” quote from one of my old training partners, he made the powerlifting usa top 100, even doing it raw and so did i. so to everyone who wants a strong back and bigger dead, just pull up your sack, or to the women, wear your ovaries on the outside.
[quote]Pipes06 wrote:
Hanley, Steel Nation:
My apologies, but my proffesional opinion guides me in formally DISAGREEING with both of you. Think about it. All of the weakest people in general I see are ALWAYS the ones walking around with a belt on the entire time. Coincidence? i think not :-P[/quote]
Professional opinion? your profile says you are a student?
Or are you just a student now, and used to be qualified in something relevant? Enlighten us, pray do.