[quote]Love2Lift wrote:
All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.
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It’s easier to grunt and growl that to sing. I forget what musician said it but he said the key to music is not just the notes but also the silence between the notes.
There is not much of that in some types of music.
[quote]Love2Lift wrote:
All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.
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The grunting and growling, IMO, grew out of two things:
With death metal, you ask yourself “does it further the brutality?” and if the answer is “yes”, then you do it. If its “no”, then you dont.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Fucking cookie monster vocals. Can someone please explain that shit to me? I mean…“Roh-Roh-Rohhhhhhhhhhhh!” That’s like the equivalent to singing falsetto.
I guess you missed the part where I said “technical ability”.
If DEATH METAL vocals in DEATH METAL arent your thing, thats fine, dont listen to it, but dont criticize the other 4/5 of the band and call them talentless like our prepubescent friend here.
BTW, Freddie Mercury sang in falsetto and Queen pwns.[/quote]
Nah, I thought technically it was pretty tight. Death metal would probably be my thing if it weren’t for the cookie monster vocals, that’s why I take such issue with it.
I heard Freddie didn’t really sing in falsetto, which is why everyone had such a hard on for him. I am not really much of a Queen fan, so I might be wrong on this.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Love2Lift wrote:
All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.
The grunting and growling, IMO, grew out of two things:
With death metal, you ask yourself “does it further the brutality?” and if the answer is “yes”, then you do it. If its “no”, then you dont.[/quote]
Fair enough. Thanks for the insight.
[quote]Love2Lift wrote:
All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.
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Radio rock such as Korn, Slipknot and Nickelback isn’t “metal”
[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
Love2Lift wrote:
All this new metal… ugh. Whatever happened to metal where dudes actually SANG and you were impressed with their RANGE? There are a lot of great metal bands out there, but they’re being ruined by shitty vocals.
Radio rock such as Korn, Slipknot and Nickelback isn’t “metal”[/quote]
Nickelback isn’t even music.
[quote]new2training wrote:
Love2Lift wrote:
It’s easier to grunt and growl that to sing. I forget what musician said it but he said the key to music is not just the notes but also the silence between the notes.
There is not much of that in some types of music.
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Miles Davis is the one who said it most famously, if I recall correctly. When talking about his phrasing, he’d talk about ‘playing’ the silence, ‘playing’ the rests. I’ve heard Vic Wooten talk about it in Master Classes, and how it can help in developing a deeper pocket.
I’ve always prefered thrash/cross-over metal to death, black, prog etc. And that’s the problem. This shits always going to be subjective so the ‘this is better than that, your taste sucks’ etc is pretty futile TBF.
Here’s a band from Liverpool who restored my faith in the genre as a whole though ;):
[quote]jack_UK wrote:
I’ve always prefered thrash/cross-over metal to death, black, prog etc. And that’s the problem. This shits always going to be subjective so the ‘this is better than that, your taste sucks’ etc is pretty futile TBF.
Here’s a band from Liverpool who restored my faith in the genre as a whole though ;):
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I like it…sounds like its from around 1984.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
jack_UK wrote:
I’ve always prefered thrash/cross-over metal to death, black, prog etc. And that’s the problem. This shits always going to be subjective so the ‘this is better than that, your taste sucks’ etc is pretty futile TBF.
Here’s a band from Liverpool who restored my faith in the genre as a whole though ;):
I like it…sounds like its from around 1984.[/quote]
Precisely. Thrash revival FTW!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
So, if nirvana never existed there wouldn’t of been more good metal bands? haha I call bullshit. They raped the rock genre too. It’s not about none, it’s about there would of been more.
Do you think that Nirvana ate up any of Death Metal’s market? Death metal was never part of the commercial market and will never follow the patterns that govern commercial music. Thats like trying to relate the cocaine market to the sale of miniskirts. Exhibit 1 that you dont know what youre talking about.
You are really proving how much you dont know here. Many people feel that death metal was at its peak around 93-two whole years after Nevermind came out.
mayhem, burzum, satyricon, dimmu borgier, immortal, darkthrone, enslaved, emperor, marduk, dissection, beherit, impaled nazarene, carcass, in flames, dark tranquility, at the gates, afflicted, entombed, amon amarth, unleashed, tiamat, cryptosy, edge of sanity, opeth, origin, sadist, cynic, atheist, pestilence, gorguts, necrophagist, spawn of posession, death, cannibal corpse, deicide, devourment, disgorge, hate eternal, nile, skinless, suffocation, autopsy, incantaion, asphyx, my dying bride, paradise lost, disembowelment, mayhem, behemoth, belphegor, angelcorpse, zyklon, sacramentum, napalm death, bolt thrower, morbid angel, obituary, sepultura, pestilence
Yeah. No death metal bands did well in the 90’s. Exhibit number 2.
The fact that you described death metal as “the same note played over and over again” is more proof. Exhibit number 3.[/quote]
your mixing it up, I’m talking about the thrash/general/power metal scenes when I say nirvana killed metal.
fact number 1. Find me a death metal band with Rush esque talent. Don’t post again untill you do. Play a guitar asshat, you don’t know shit.
Death and black metal aren’t as easilly affected by mainstream as they are about as coutner mainstream as it gets.
You twist my words to make yourself sound smart, you aren’t.
Yet again, pick up a guitar you don’t know shit.
disclaimer: I love death metal, not a huge black metal guy. but I think it’s funny when retarded people act like that’s where the best musical talent is.
it’s absofuckinglutely stupid.
mayhem: is fucking classic
in flames: good band
at the gates: a personal favorite
dark tranquility: also a favorite
cannibal corpse: probably the biggest name in the genre
deicide: pretty much excellent music
napalm death, bolt thrower, morbid angel, obituary, sepultura, : all on my ipod and I love them all. But stil, the best muscial talent was never in the death/black genres.
Mayhem(you had it on there twice: all I have to say is chainsaw gutsfuck
There are plenty of great artists, but there aren’t very many bands that are up to par with other genres.
such as:
Led Zeppelin
Van Halen
Velvet revolver
GNR
any of claptons bands
hendrix
Stronghold, sometime I think you pick fights, to simply pick fights.
also, where was god dethroned and heaven shall burn on your list.
Since at the gates is on there I assume you liked old arch enemy too, and carcass?
I also don’t get the power metal hate. Bands like cellador and hammerfall are both good IMO.
So anyway… I don’t think Pantera was as good as most people believe they are…yeah…I’m gonna go listen to Weather Report now…tootles!
Decapitated is the best death metal band IMO. I listen to either them or dying fetus when doing ME squats haha
Deicide is good but there a bunch of weirdos haha
Napalm Death is bad ass too.
( call me a poser if you want but I am actually listing to public enemy while tying this haha)
[quote]DF85 wrote:
Decapitated is the best death metal band IMO. I listen to either them or dying fetus when doing ME squats haha
Deicide is good but there a bunch of weirdos haha
Napalm Death is bad ass too.
( call me a poser if you want but I am actually listing to public enemy while tying this haha)
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You win the thread sir
Let’s Squat together sometime since that’s basically my playlist when I do ME Squats too
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
new2training wrote:
Love2Lift wrote:
It’s easier to grunt and growl that to sing. I forget what musician said it but he said the key to music is not just the notes but also the silence between the notes.
There is not much of that in some types of music.
Miles Davis is the one who said it most famously, if I recall correctly. When talking about his phrasing, he’d talk about ‘playing’ the silence, ‘playing’ the rests. I’ve heard Vic Wooten talk about it in Master Classes, and how it can help in developing a deeper pocket.
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Thanks buddy.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
So, if nirvana never existed there wouldn’t of been more good metal bands? haha I call bullshit. They raped the rock genre too. It’s not about none, it’s about there would of been more.
Do you think that Nirvana ate up any of Death Metal’s market? Death metal was never part of the commercial market and will never follow the patterns that govern commercial music. Thats like trying to relate the cocaine market to the sale of miniskirts. Exhibit 1 that you dont know what youre talking about.
You are really proving how much you dont know here. Many people feel that death metal was at its peak around 93-two whole years after Nevermind came out.
mayhem, burzum, satyricon, dimmu borgier, immortal, darkthrone, enslaved, emperor, marduk, dissection, beherit, impaled nazarene, carcass, in flames, dark tranquility, at the gates, afflicted, entombed, amon amarth, unleashed, tiamat, cryptosy, edge of sanity, opeth, origin, sadist, cynic, atheist, pestilence, gorguts, necrophagist, spawn of posession, death, cannibal corpse, deicide, devourment, disgorge, hate eternal, nile, skinless, suffocation, autopsy, incantaion, asphyx, my dying bride, paradise lost, disembowelment, mayhem, behemoth, belphegor, angelcorpse, zyklon, sacramentum, napalm death, bolt thrower, morbid angel, obituary, sepultura, pestilence
Yeah. No death metal bands did well in the 90’s. Exhibit number 2.
The fact that you described death metal as “the same note played over and over again” is more proof. Exhibit number 3.
your mixing it up, I’m talking about the thrash/general/power metal scenes when I say nirvana killed metal.
fact number 1. Find me a death metal band with Rush esque talent. Don’t post again untill you do. Play a guitar asshat, you don’t know shit.
Death and black metal aren’t as easilly affected by mainstream as they are about as coutner mainstream as it gets.
You twist my words to make yourself sound smart, you aren’t.
Yet again, pick up a guitar you don’t know shit.[/quote]
Doooood, you have some serious bitterness in your heart. Deep breath, deep breath. It’s cool and all that you love Rush, it’s great that you play a little guitar (seems just about every other person in this world ‘plays guitar’) but this is MUSIC. It’s not a Powerlifting competition. It’s not about ‘chops’ – if we reduce it to a competition, we cheapen it as an art. I can love Neil Young’s one-note solo in Cinnamon Girl as much as I love Andres fucking Segovia’s interpretation of Recuerdos de la Alhambra – it’s just music, it’s all good. It doesn’t make Neil Young less valid as an artist.
It comes down to one thing, doooood: Does it moooove you!!! That’s it, nothing else. Not some psychobabble intellectual ‘This guy’s stuff is more complicated, he plays 32nd notes in 5/4 and then changes key, modulates into 7/8 with this crazy 11 chord – so his music must be great because Guitar World says that shit is TOUGH to do!’ – Fuck. That. If it sounds great to your ear, great. If not, then move on to something that does.
I’m curious about something, here’s a question for you as someone who ‘knows talent’: From a purely ‘chops’ perspective, who was the best musician in Led Zeppelin?
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
I’m curious about something, here’s a question for you as someone who ‘knows talent’: From a purely ‘chops’ perspective, who was the best musician in Led Zeppelin? [/quote]
I wanna chime in on this one! I’m a drummer, so Bonzo is god to me, but John Paul Fucking Jones for the win.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
your mixing it up, I’m talking about the thrash/general/power metal scenes when I say nirvana killed metal.
fact number 1. Find me a death metal band with Rush esque talent. Don’t post again untill you do. Play a guitar asshat, you don’t know shit.
You twist my words to make yourself sound smart, you aren’t.
Yet again, pick up a guitar you don’t know shit.[/quote]
Nirvana didnt kill thrash…Megadeth was still making albums in 93? What about Anthrax, Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, Testament, Annihilator, Neverland, Kreator, Dark Angel, and Iced Earth? How about the Clash of the Titans tour?
The only thrash that died in the 90’s was Metallica and that was their own doing.
Guitar Talent? You wont find many death metal bands playing in the exact style of Rush, but you will find some blistering ass guitarists. Listen to that youtube link I posted earlier because you are obviously just posting bullshit without reading any of the responses.
I guess you missed the post where I said I have been playing for 5 years and spent two of them playing in technical and progressive metal bands? I guess my classical training and years spent working under a PHD in guitar performance dont mean shit. The 120 watt quarter stack, digitech rig, and $1100 custom schecter c-1 elite sitting in my room at home right now dont mean shit. Right. Iv taken shits that know more about music than you. Go back to fucking school, kid.