beginners should be bulking cleanly in order to lower their bodyfat, by increasing muscle more comnpared with fat, your thus goin to be able to reduce BF% while increasing size, yes???
Sounds like a pretty good deal, im goin to even go further to say beginners with a BF% of around 17% and below should follow that sort of thinking and forget about those abs for the next few years.
Besides id rather be huge at 15%BF for years rather reasonable and 10%BF through cut, bulk, cut, bulk and not goin anywhere, if ya get where im coming from??
Anyways how much better is your body at partitioning nutrients into the body at 10% than 15%?? Where’s Thibaudeau or Berardi when ya need him???
Well a lot of it depends on your long term goal. If you want the Abercrombie and Fitch skinny with abs looks or the powerhouse with loads of muscle. You can’t yo-yo between powerhouse and cut body/abs(with the exception of bodybuilders). But even bber’s do it once or twice a year at most. Just my 2 cents.
This assumes they should be bulking in the first place.
Fat people shouldn’t bulk, they should cut.
Skinny-Fat people should eat around maintenance with maybe a small surplus while cleaning up their food choices.
Skinny people should bulk.
I agree that most beginners need to add mass, but a 500-1000 cal surplus is not the best idea in most cases. Beginners get the opportunity to lose fat and gain muscle without the need to drastically increase their caloric intake, why not take advantage of it. On the other hand, overweight and obese individuals shouldn’t increase their calories, they should reduce them. They will be able to lose fat and gain some muscle since their bodies will be more apt to use there fat stores to to supply the needed energy to for muscle synthesis. And, we can’t forget that most overweight and obese individuals already have an appreciable amount of muscle due to requirements of moving their bulk around.
There are many differing opinions as to what shoule be done. This is my two cents.
Firstly, the name of the thread is self-contradicting.
IMO, most beginners should start with the basics (ground breaking!!)
Cutting (which implies fat loss with a strict diet regimen) is too severe. You can’t go from eating twinkies and shit to a high protein, strict “cutting” diet.
How about a beginner should start by training to get stronger using the basic lifts and a basic routine (Starting Strength for example). Along side that, start making better food choices, eating 6x/day, protein at every meal, etc. No need for supplements yet. Why buy them if the person in question isn’t diligent enough to eat every 3 hours?
Then in several months or a year, they’ll have a significantly improved body composition and much better habits. From there, start getting more specific.
Obviously, there are exceptions (like the very overweight or very de-conditioned) which may warrant exceptions and more specificity from the onset.
if your a fat beginner i think just eating every 2-3 hours smaller portions will do something for ya, even if its not totally restricted (i.e. keto)
bulking and not paying attention to your diet at all just leads to fatty muscle. yeah you think you gained a lot of muscle, but so much of it is fat too. I deceived myself onetime in such a cycle and everyone started calling me “beefy” just joking and I thought they were kidding.
Long story short I went on a cutting phase and dropped so much weight in one month! I looked at a picture a month before and my face was effing pudgy! Dropped from 10% BF - 6.9% HUGE difference! People saying I looked bigger even though I wasn’t just my muscles were cut.
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
if your a fat beginner i think just eating every 2-3 hours smaller portions will do something for ya, even if its not totally restricted (i.e. keto)
bulking and not paying attention to your diet at all just leads to fatty muscle. yeah you think you gained a lot of muscle, but so much of it is fat too. I deceived myself onetime in such a cycle and everyone started calling me “beefy” just joking and I thought they were kidding.
Long story short I went on a cutting phase and dropped so much weight in one month! I looked at a picture a month before and my face was effing pudgy! Dropped from 10% BF - 6.9% HUGE difference! People saying I looked bigger even though I wasn’t just my muscles were cut.[/quote]
I feel you. Since I’ve dropped from 40.234567 % bodyfat to 18.987617 % I’ve seen a pretty noticeable difference in my face as well.
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
if your a fat beginner i think just eating every 2-3 hours smaller portions will do something for ya, even if its not totally restricted (i.e. keto)
bulking and not paying attention to your diet at all just leads to fatty muscle. yeah you think you gained a lot of muscle, but so much of it is fat too. I deceived myself onetime in such a cycle and everyone started calling me “beefy” just joking and I thought they were kidding.
Long story short I went on a cutting phase and dropped so much weight in one month! I looked at a picture a month before and my face was effing pudgy! Dropped from 10% BF - 6.9% HUGE difference! People saying I looked bigger even though I wasn’t just my muscles were cut.[/quote]
“fatty muscle”…
175 at your height…
I thought this forum’s title reads “Bodybuilding”, not “Men’s Health” ?
jehovasfitness just became my inspiration, thats awesome progress man, thats excatly wat i was goin for
you just at clean, lifted heavy, slept alot i assume, i really dont think cardio besides maybe twice a week of moderate hit would be needed to keep body fat in check if your eating right…
whats your program look like atm, ie. macronutrient ratios and routine/??
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
if your a fat beginner i think just eating every 2-3 hours smaller portions will do something for ya, even if its not totally restricted (i.e. keto)
bulking and not paying attention to your diet at all just leads to fatty muscle. yeah you think you gained a lot of muscle, but so much of it is fat too. I deceived myself onetime in such a cycle and everyone started calling me “beefy” just joking and I thought they were kidding.
Long story short I went on a cutting phase and dropped so much weight in one month! I looked at a picture a month before and my face was effing pudgy! Dropped from 10% BF - 6.9% HUGE difference! People saying I looked bigger even though I wasn’t just my muscles were cut.[/quote]
If your face was “pudgy” at 10% body fat, you need to see a doctor.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
AlterEgo721 wrote:
if your a fat beginner i think just eating every 2-3 hours smaller portions will do something for ya, even if its not totally restricted (i.e. keto)
bulking and not paying attention to your diet at all just leads to fatty muscle. yeah you think you gained a lot of muscle, but so much of it is fat too. I deceived myself onetime in such a cycle and everyone started calling me “beefy” just joking and I thought they were kidding.
Long story short I went on a cutting phase and dropped so much weight in one month! I looked at a picture a month before and my face was effing pudgy! Dropped from 10% BF - 6.9% HUGE difference! People saying I looked bigger even though I wasn’t just my muscles were cut.
If your face was “pudgy” at 10% body fat, you need to see a doctor.[/quote]
He probably doesn’t start to get lean until 5% bf, like that other guy.
