We were arguing about compounds and shit, meanwhile he specifically mentions squats and bench… Lawl
[quote]Deepgoat wrote:
To answer the poised question “Why wouldn’t I put someone on what I’m doing”. Well, I’m on madcow which is linear progression and a noob would make better gains on stronglifts. Prior to me working on madcow I was training in a way that many noobs would most likely fail or become overtrained. An example of my old training was a 4 day a week split.
Heavy Squat 6x3
Heavy Bench 6x3
Heavy rows 3x8-12
I would end up with 3 squat days 3 bench days and a deadlift day.
I stopped using stronglifts because I wasn’t able to progress anymore adding that much weight a week.[/quote]
I guess I’m a little confused why starting with Madcow is a bad idea.
I mean, sure, you’re going to be increasing the training weight at a slower rate than you will with Stronglifts, but why is that a bad thing? Does that necessarily mean Stronglifts gives you “better gains”?
Also, why did you switch away from your old program to Madcow?
I’m pretty much just trying to understand what you mean.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Do you utilize any form of peaking/periodization to train for a meet, or do you stick with the same rep/set scheme up until the week of and then just deload?
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Most of these beginner linear progression programs dont have peaking phases. They’re linear, so it doesn’t really fit with the concept to have a peaking block.
The idea being that as a beginner, you’re fully recovered by the next training session and progressing at the fastest rate possible (the original practical programming allows for different weight to be added session to session) so a block for peaking isn’t warranted. You just don’t do the Friday training session.
I’m not a fan of these things but SL has a ridiculous ratio of squatting to deadlifting IMO.
[quote]tsantos wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Do you utilize any form of peaking/periodization to train for a meet, or do you stick with the same rep/set scheme up until the week of and then just deload?
[/quote]
Most of these beginner linear progression programs dont have peaking phases. They’re linear, so it doesn’t really fit with the concept to have a peaking block.
The idea being that as a beginner, you’re fully recovered by the next training session and progressing at the fastest rate possible (the original practical programming allows for different weight to be added session to session) so a block for peaking isn’t warranted. You just don’t do the Friday training session.
I’m not a fan of these things but SL has a ridiculous ratio of squatting to deadlifting IMO.[/quote]
Right, I was actually asking him specifically what does rather than what SL does. I actually find that these beginner programs are essentially nothing BUT peaking in practice. They quickly realize available strength, but do little to build more.
No disagreement here, the allure of adding over 100lbs in a month to a lift is pretty hard to resist though. Similar to getting a beginner to understand that the fitness model looks like that for 1 day, beginners usually don’t really know that there is a difference between realising and building a wide base.
Interesting that this is another case of someone recommending a program they didn’t live.
[quote]Deepgoat wrote:
To me. The term bro split is chest, legs, arms, shoulders. Usually involving no compound or only bench as a compound.[/quote]
this is the essence of your problem. You don’t understand about bodypart splits
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Deepgoat wrote:
To me. The term bro split is chest, legs, arms, shoulders. Usually involving no compound or only bench as a compound.[/quote]
this is the essence of your problem. You don’t understand about bodypart splits[/quote]
x2.
This is why I dislike generalizations like “beginners shouldn’t do splits” or “to me, the worst thing a beginner can do is a split” because it so grossly oversimplifies training down to merely “split” vs. “compound” as though the two things are mutually exclusive.
What Deepgoat is really arguing against is beginners doing his own extremely narrow definition of a split and justifying it with asinine logic like “programs with compound lifts are better because they promote collagen synthesis and make you less injury-prone than split programs” as though
a) splits can’t contain compound lifts (they can)
b) isolation movements don’t have some of the same benefits (they do)
If OP ever does revisit this, he shouldn’t be discouraged from doing “a split” instead of StrongLifts, as long as he chooses the split program wisely (that article I linked from Clay Hyght is a really good read on how to put together a good split if that’s your intended route). It’s fucking stupid to say that everyone has to start training on some version of StrongLifts or 5x5. People have different goals, and there are multiple means to achieve the same end.
Three pages to argue semantics and the OP hasn’t been back.
Damn
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]Deepgoat wrote:
To me. The term bro split is chest, legs, arms, shoulders. Usually involving no compound or only bench as a compound.[/quote]
this is the essence of your problem. You don’t understand about bodypart splits[/quote]
x2.
This is why I dislike generalizations like “beginners shouldn’t do splits” or “to me, the worst thing a beginner can do is a split” because it so grossly oversimplifies training down to merely “split” vs. “compound” as though the two things are mutually exclusive.
What Deepgoat is really arguing against is beginners doing his own extremely narrow definition of a split and justifying it with asinine logic like “programs with compound lifts are better because they promote collagen synthesis and make you less injury-prone than split programs” as though
a) splits can’t contain compound lifts (they can)
b) isolation movements don’t have some of the same benefits (they do)
If OP ever does revisit this, he shouldn’t be discouraged from doing “a split” instead of StrongLifts, as long as he chooses the split program wisely (that article I linked from Clay Hyght is a really good read on how to put together a good split if that’s your intended route). It’s fucking stupid to say that everyone has to start training on some version of StrongLifts or 5x5. People have different goals, and there are multiple means to achieve the same end.[/quote]
I love posts like this. Well thought out and well written. Totally wasted on this thread, but never mind, eh?