I will. Was that a yes or a no on the strength goals though?
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I’m in for the follow. 
yes.
Just remember that you’re trying to almost double your bench press, so that’ll take a while regardless of what program you do
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Okay, so I think Grey Man seems like the best choice for me. I prefer lifting four days a week though, so is there a way I could add a fourth day for something like heavy farmer’s walks + other assistance work?
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already behind. at 200lbs, focused on it after two years I’d expect closing in on 300 if not 3 plates.
tough with no pics (leverages), no training footage.
benching is a skill. there could be 35-50 easy lbs to add with proper technique.
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Granted, my training for the past 1.2 years has been fairly consistent but not nearly as intense or consistent as it could be.
I told you who to seek out and ask these questions.
I don’t know anything, I just hang out here.
Ah okay. I’ll post my questions in one of their logs. Thanks for your help!
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or tag them here, so you don’t clog up the log and they can go back and forth with you.
Yeah that’s probably smarter, haha.
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@T3hPwnisher I think Grey Man seems like the best choice for me. I prefer lifting four days a week, so is there a way I could add a fourth day for something like heavy farmer’s walks + other assistance work?
Remember: the goal of mass protocol is to gain mass. This means prioritizing recovery. Adding a lifting day won’t help there. Any you don’t just pick one program: you cycle through. Operator-Mass-Specifity
For 4 days of lifting with mass, there is general mass. Specificity itself is 4 days of lifting. And Zulu is a TB book 1 program with 4 days of lifting
Okay cool. I just really really love heavy farmer’s walks, and I’ve noticed they grow me like nothing else. I was about to ask if training only 3 days a week is okay for gaining mass and strength, but then I realized how stupid that sounded haha.
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Why not make the farmers walk one of the supplemental exercises for Grey Man?
Oh that’s a smart idea! I’ll do that. I read your article on not training 6 days a week, thought it was really smart. All the pre steroid era guys trained 3 times a week. They just trained harder and ate more than people today!
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Okay, here’s what I’ve come up with:
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A:
Bench
Squat
S1 Cluster:
BTN Press
Barbell Rows
Front Squat
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B:
OHP
Deadlift
S2 Cluster:
Incline Dumbbell Press
Weighted NG Pull-Ups
RDLs
Farmer’s Walks
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A:
Bench
Squat
S1 Cluster:
BTN Press
Barbell Rows
Front Squat
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@T3hPwnisher @throwawayfitness What do you guys think?
I can only answer questions about my specific experiences and experiments.
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Thats a ton of barbell work. You might come to find that doing barbell rows or front squats for sets of 12 ain’t exactly a good time, for example. Sorry if I missed it but do you train in a well-stocked gym or a barebones setup? I like dumbbells and machines for the assistance work on that program. Here’s how I set it up, just as an example.
Squat/Press day - DB Inclines/T Bar Rows/Good Mornings
Bench/Deadlift day - Fat bar curls/Dips/Belt Squats
If you were gung-ho on including Farmers then I would swap them for Good Mornings in my example. But you also might consider shelving them just for the moment, and saving them for the conditioning workouts when you move to a template that calls for harder conditioning. Like Dan John said, not every good idea about training needs to be included in your routine at all times.
Good luck man, I hope you reach your goals. Wish I started when you did!
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How so?