Hi folks, I was wondering if there is anything to prove that the 1.8:1.2:1 ratio is the best because I’ve looked at several other sites and supplements and some claim its 3:1:1 and some claim 2:1:1 and they got me really confused…Now who am I suppose to believe?
Please can anyone with credibility say which is the optimum ratio?
Thanks
Like many things in sience, it’s likely all based on theories now. There are no absolute answers for many things.
[quote]tito wrote:
Hi folks, I was wondering if there is anything to prove that the 1.8:1.2:1 ratio is the best because I’ve looked at several other sites and supplements and some claim its 3:1:1 and some claim 2:1:1 and they got me really confused…Now who am I suppose to believe?
Please can anyone with credibility say which is the optimum ratio?
Thanks[/quote]
Believe me. The proper ratio is 5.4:3.6:3
Simple as that.
lol, how did you come up with that??
While researching this some more, I’ve come to the idea that BCAA supplements are not needed. According to CT’s protocol, you should take 5 servings of 5-10 grams = 25-50g of BCAA daily.
Ok, since I’m following the Squats and Milk program, I’m taking in 1 gallon of milk a day and according to Milk, nonfat, fluid, without added vitamin A (fat free or skim) Nutrition Facts & Calories , each cup contains 1.882g of BCAA which = 13-27 cups of milk a day to meet CTs recommendations. 1 gallon of milk is 16 cups, therefore I’m meeting the standards of CT + beating JBs and CWs recommendations. Now, from just the milk, I have 30g of BCAAs in me (for just about $2 a day) + the ones I’m getting from meat and chicken and other food. Does this mean I still need the supplement?!
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
Like many things in sience, it’s likely all based on theories now. There are no absolute answers for many things.[/quote]
Yes, I understand that now after searching the internet. Thank you
No one “needs” a BCAA supplement, but I think it can be of great benefit. I’ve been happy with the results from supplementing with 15 grams first thing in the morning with another 15 grams immediately after training.
I do need to learn to spell science correctly, however.
[quote]tito wrote:
lol, how did you come up with that??[/quote]
I’m super smart. No really I am. Seriously.
[quote]While researching this some more, I’ve come to the idea that BCAA supplements are not needed. According to CT’s protocol, you should take 5 servings of 5-10 grams = 25-50g of BCAA daily.
Ok, since I’m following the Squats and Milk program, I’m taking in 1 gallon of milk a day and according to http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c202F.html , each cup contains 1.882g of BCAA which = 13-27 cups of milk a day to meet CTs recommendations. 1 gallon of milk is 16 cups, therefore I’m meeting the standards of CT + beating JBs and CWs recommendations. Now, from just the milk, I have 30g of BCAAs in me (for just about $2 a day) + the ones I’m getting from meat and chicken and other food. Does this mean I still need the supplement?![/quote]
As already stated nobody needs BCAA’s. Nobody NEEDS any of the supplements sold on this or any site. I get so confused when people ask what supplements “should” they take when they really should be asking which ones “could” they take.
As for your milk example- the BCAA’s in milk are all the same type I believe, so it’s not a complete amino acid profile. You would need to make sure you are getting all of the correct components at the correct quantities and ratios to insure you’re comparing apples to apples here. Would you get enough by drinking a gallon of milk? sure, but to say it’s the same as Biotest’s BCAA’s is incorrect. It’s quality not quantity that makes the difference.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Believe me. The proper ratio is 5.4:3.6:3
Simple as that.[/quote]
Sorry, no go. It’s exactly 5.76:3.72:3.1. Don’t post wrong numbers because you’re too much of a pussy to post two numbers after the decimal point. I bet you do wrist curls with 15 lbs dumbbells as well.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
the BCAA’s in milk are all the same type I believe, so it’s not a complete amino acid profile. [/quote]
All the same type?
Not complete amino acid profile?
Could you clarify that for us?
[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Sorry, no go. It’s exactly 5.76:3.72:3.1. Don’t post wrong numbers because you’re too much of a pussy to post two numbers after the decimal point. I bet you do wrist curls with 15 lbs dumbbells as well.[/quote]
Can’t tell if you’re purposely being a jackass, or just kidding. I’ll go with being a jackass. When you learn to actually use a calculator correctly maybe you can comment. (Your first number is wrong, in case you can’t figure it out).
And yes I do wrist curls, but I can only do the 5lb pink ones. They make me feel manly.
[quote]Drewsky wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
the BCAA’s in milk are all the same type I believe, so it’s not a complete amino acid profile.
All the same type?
Not complete amino acid profile?
Could you clarify that for us?[/quote]
Maybe not exaclty the same type, but not as complete a profile as one would expect. Just like all humans are different all cows are different, and the amino acid profile may vary by region, and even by the cow itself. I’ve read some studies that suggest it’s related to the fat/protein ratio as well, which again can very. That’s why it’s always suggested to vary your protein sources in order to assure you get multiple types. I believe soy (even if it is the devil) has the most complete profile next to eggs and milk.
Again, I’m not an expert or a scientist and there are plenty of people on here who might know more about this, I just know that you shouldn’t rely on getting all of your BCAA’s, or protein for that matter, from a single source.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
I’m super smart. No really I am. Seriously.[/quote]
I believe you.
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As for your milk example- the BCAA’s in milk are all the same type I believe, so it’s not a complete amino acid profile.[/quote]
The proteins in cows milk are complete and have excellent amino acid profiles. They are high in BCAA’s, particularly Leucine.
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You would need to make sure you are getting all of the correct components at the correct quantities and ratios to insure you’re comparing apples to apples here. Would you get enough by drinking a gallon of milk? sure, but to say it’s the same as Biotest’s BCAA’s is incorrect. It’s quality not quantity that makes the difference.[/quote]
Interesting statements. I’m sure that more discussion will arise from them (let’s hope).
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Robert P. wrote:
Sorry, no go. It’s exactly 5.76:3.72:3.1. Don’t post wrong numbers because you’re too much of a pussy to post two numbers after the decimal point. I bet you do wrist curls with 15 lbs dumbbells as well.
Can’t tell if you’re purposely being a jackass, or just kidding. I’ll go with being a jackass. When you learn to actually use a calculator correctly maybe you can comment. (Your first number is wrong, in case you can’t figure it out).
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Na, I was kidding, and I copied the wrong numbers (calculated it with 3.1 and 3.2 and switched them). I added the wrist curl comment to make it more obvious, after the recent forearm thread.
@whoever posted that there are several theories, there are. However, the 1.8:1.2:1 has the most supportive evidence going for it, because it is the actual ratio found in muscle tissue. However, most BCAA supplements I’ve come across so far don’t sell the single amino acids seperately and let you combine them, but just mix them in the ratio they think is right so you get all three BCAAs in the same pill.
So, either trust the manufacturer, or check the listed ratio before buying. Biotest BCAAs have the 1.8:1.2:1 ratio, so they would be a good choice.