BBB's HGH Protocol

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Well, it looks like I have to pull the plug on the GH protocol for now…I tried 2 x 2iu IV shots on monday and I have been getting some of the same sides back again (stiff joints in my fingers, wrists, and ankles, etc)…I guess taking just 2 weeks off injecting it wasn’t enough so I am going to pull the plug on it for a couple of months and then try again…

I guess my advice to anyone reading this and considering starting GH administration would be that they should start up slow (as is often recommended) with GH rather then just jump right into high dose shots…I started getting serious sides when I was shooting larger doses IV (4-8iu at a time) so you are probably fine to run the protocol as BBB intended with smaller shots spread through the day but still I think I will start slow next time (I plan to run 2iu 3x/w for a while and then 4iu 3x/w and then eventually work up to 8iu 3x/w spread into 4 doses).

On a positive note I did manage to see some pretty decent physique changes in the time I was using it so I am sure that the results will be excellent when done properly/conservatively with gear.

FG

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FG, were you using “brand name” GH or generic stuff? I can’t remember if you’ve said this already so forgive me if you have.

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I did go on a strict keto diet and I split the doses into 4 as recommended.
The supercharge effect was gone. I felt nothing actually.
Without the carbs I also felt the increased strength was gone.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I did go on a strict keto diet and I split the doses into 4 as recommended.
The supercharge effect was gone. I felt nothing actually.
Without the carbs I also felt the increased strength was gone.[/quote]

Im on a similar diet, different protocol, only 40g simple carbs a day (pre-WO).

Strength is gone, but so is the fat dropping fast.

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[quote]Mr NO wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
I did go on a strict keto diet and I split the doses into 4 as recommended.
The supercharge effect was gone. I felt nothing actually.
Without the carbs I also felt the increased strength was gone.

Im on a similar diet, different protocol, only 40g simple carbs a day (pre-WO).

Strength is gone, but so is the fat dropping fast.

[/quote]

Yes, the body fat seems to drop but I feel like I am shrinking…
I have been adding salt this past week. I need to get the sodium/potassium ratio right though I don’t know how I am going to go about it yet.

I am REALLY struggling with the loss of strength. I can’t even care about the body fat.
I guess I am going to continue to adjust the diet and see if I get used to it.
I think it is time for me to use that bronchodilator you suggested to me.

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If you don’t care (too much) about fat mass (and also really desire or enjoy strength/performance gains) why are you eating so little CHO?

It is more than possible to attain a decent body fat level with plenty of (quality, high fibre, non-processed) CHO… say 15-18% or so.

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Yesterday, I upped the pre wo dose to 100 and had 40 during.

WOW , I belive that my body has adjusted to the carb delpeted stage and these wo carbs gave me supercharge I was not expecting !

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Mr NO wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
I did go on a strict keto diet and I split the doses into 4 as recommended.
The supercharge effect was gone. I felt nothing actually.
Without the carbs I also felt the increased strength was gone.

Im on a similar diet, different protocol, only 40g simple carbs a day (pre-WO).

Strength is gone, but so is the fat dropping fast.

Yes, the body fat seems to drop but I feel like I am shrinking…
I have been adding salt this past week. I need to get the sodium/potassium ratio right though I don’t know how I am going to go about it yet.

I am REALLY struggling with the loss of strength. I can’t even care about the body fat.
I guess I am going to continue to adjust the diet and see if I get used to it.
I think it is time for me to use that bronchodilator you suggested to me.

Add 150g carbs pre-workout and 50g carbs during your workout. Eat low carb at other times. You should lose fat but still have strength for training.

BBB[/quote]

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[quote] Brook wrote:
If you don’t care (too much) about fat mass (and also really desire or enjoy strength/performance gains) why are you eating so little CHO?

It is more than possible to attain a decent body fat level with plenty of (quality, high fibre, non-processed) CHO… say 15-18% or so.[/quote]

Because I don’t like chocolate. I prefer pop corn.

According to an online calculator I am at 16% body fat but I DOUBT IT!!

I decided to take this really seriously so this is for reference of where I am starting.

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Thanks much BBB and Mr NO

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
FG, were you using “brand name” GH or generic stuff? I can’t remember if you’ve said this already so forgive me if you have.[/quote]

I’m using Glotropin.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the GH (and it is nice to know it is definitely legit GH because I wouldn’t be getting these sides from HcG or one of the other common fakes)…

I just think that for someone who is new to GH use it was stupid to think I could do IV injections with 4-8iu at a time…I should have started slow and worked my way up like everyone says you should but instead I just did the old trial and error method and in this case came up with an error.

I am sure that once I have given it a month or two off and start up again (slowly this time) I won’t have any issues as I was having no issues with the 8iu split into 3 injections (2iu, 3iu, 3iu) 3d/w…I ran into trouble when I started shooting larger amounts on a single shot (2iu, 2iu, 4iu…then 2iu, 6iu…then just one 8iu shot IV post workout which is what started to cripple me with the joint issues)…I think this is just too much GH for my body to handle at this point.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the protocol as BBB listed it because I didn’t follow the protocol.

When I start up again I am going to start with 2iu 3x/w for a while and just see where that goes…hopefully I can eventually get to the point that I can run the proper protocol without any issues.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

I decided to take this really seriously so this is for reference of where I am starting.

[/quote]

You’re fit.

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Hi guys,

Bad news. I think I pulled my hamstring tonight. I just got back from the martial arts and whilst I was stretching it in class it just snapped REALLY LOUDLY.
I wasn’t even trying too hard. This is the leg I felt the tension on the hamstring and couldn’t lift it past waist level to do the high kicks. The other leg flexibility was actually fine to kick high up.

Just when I write I am taking my training seriously because it has taken me 6 months to feel for the first time I can really give it 100% and here we go.

When I tell a coach I cannot jump any higher, squat any lower, stretch any further I MEAN IT.
I know I am biomechanically challenged in certain areas and pushing will just tear me apart.

I am very upset.

I am sitting on ice and have injected Adequan 2 days after my previous dose and depending on how bad this feels tomorrow I guess I am going to switch to 2 iu a day ED for healing purposes unless any of you have other suggestions.

I will still be able to train upper body but I think cardio is out and so is legs.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

It will be a challenge :wink:
[/quote]

I told you.

; D

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[quote] Brook wrote:

You’re fit.[/quote]

I’m ok. What I really miss is what Mr NO has: training with elite level athletes because I know I can and it would really bring out the best in me. As is I am really just maintaining the status quo. I thrive with a little friendly competition to keep me on my toes or rather, I enjoy the bouncing off of intensity/energy interaction between two people in action.
That is why I love sports: It is like an expression of love/power in action.

Is CHO really chocolate? I wasn’t sure.

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Hey Alpha, I was just about to post, “That’s your starting point?” when I read you pulled your hamstring (excruciating description, by the way). That’s just terrible. Hopefully it will not be as bad as you expect it to be. What kind of pain are you feeling? Are you pretty well completely crippled, hobbling around hardly able to use the leg, or are you able to walk on it?

Either way, I wish you the speediest of recoveries. I was really looking forward to following your progress, especially after seeing those pics! Good to see our members here aren’t messing around, anyway!

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Cortes wrote:
FG, were you using “brand name” GH or generic stuff? I can’t remember if you’ve said this already so forgive me if you have.

I’m using Glotropin.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the GH (and it is nice to know it is definitely legit GH because I wouldn’t be getting these sides from HcG or one of the other common fakes)…

I just think that for someone who is new to GH use it was stupid to think I could do IV injections with 4-8iu at a time…I should have started slow and worked my way up like everyone says you should but instead I just did the old trial and error method and in this case came up with an error.

I am sure that once I have given it a month or two off and start up again (slowly this time) I won’t have any issues as I was having no issues with the 8iu split into 3 injections (2iu, 3iu, 3iu) 3d/w…I ran into trouble when I started shooting larger amounts on a single shot (2iu, 2iu, 4iu…then 2iu, 6iu…then just one 8iu shot IV post workout which is what started to cripple me with the joint issues)…I think this is just too much GH for my body to handle at this point.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the protocol as BBB listed it because I didn’t follow the protocol.

When I start up again I am going to start with 2iu 3x/w for a while and just see where that goes…hopefully I can eventually get to the point that I can run the proper protocol without any issues.[/quote]

I imagine you are probably right about everything. I’m sure you know that Glotropin is what I used exclusively for the first three months of my run. I’m actually trying out a green top generic now from the same supplier (Hong Kong, not China), and am very happy with the results. To be honest, I cannot tell much difference between the two.

For what it’s worth, I think the largest dose of either brand I’ve used at one injection has been 4.5iu. I suffered no ill effects from this. I typically keep my dosage to 2.5 to 3.5iu, though sometimes I inject up to 6 times a day at these dosages, also without any issues.

Hope you are able to get going again, soon, bud.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Alpha, I was just about to post, “That’s your starting point?” when I read you pulled your hamstring (excruciating description, by the way). That’s just terrible. Hopefully it will not be as bad as you expect it to be. What kind of pain are you feeling? Are you pretty well completely crippled, hobbling around hardly able to use the leg, or are you able to walk on it?

Either way, I wish you the speediest of recoveries. I was really looking forward to following your progress, especially after seeing those pics! Good to see our members here aren’t messing around, anyway![/quote]

Thanks Cortes.

Your avatar spurred me on also: as I mentioned above, being in the midst of elite naturally makes me want to raise my game - you are top muscle.

Well, both the coach and the other trainee had a look of horror on their faces since the snap noise was pretty solid and loud. I got out of the stretch position gently fearing a tear but realized I could move. I got up gently but immediately, and started to walk and talk myself "I am ok’. I can walk about but cannot stretch it as it hurts considerably. I am still high from the training ( I train from 8pm to 10pm ) and the GH ( I did the three injections today ). It is 3:30 am and I am still wanting to throw punches ( I practice boxing today ). I will be able to assess the injury tomorrow, I mean, in 4 hours since I have to get up to go to work.

Keep training!