BBB's HGH Protocol

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Brook wrote:

You’re fit.

I’m ok. What I really miss is what Mr NO has: training with elite level athletes because I know I can and it would really bring out the best in me. As is I am really just maintaining the status quo. I thrive with a little friendly competition to keep me on my toes or rather, I enjoy the bouncing off of intensity/energy interaction between two people in action.
That is why I love sports: It is like an expression of love/power in action.

Is CHO really chocolate? I wasn’t sure.
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No, the other type of fit…

CHO means Carbohydrate… I wondered where chocolate came from in that other post! haha!

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I got out of the stretch position gently fearing a tear but realized I could move. I got up gently but immediately, and started to walk and talk myself "I am ok’.
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This is the attitude!! , now I imagine your coach scoped you out at once!
Do you have any nodules at the opposite side of the “snap” ?
Do compare your leg’s do they look symmetrical?
Can you keep your leg straight without pain (I know your threshold is high, I mean NO pain)
If you can’t do the above at what point when you curl (in degrees dose pain come in)

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Keep training!
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Give your body a rest; a good week will work wonders. In your situation where your line of work keeps you in constant activity, when you come back you will be stronger faster and able to reach out farther.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:
Cortes wrote:
FG, were you using “brand name” GH or generic stuff? I can’t remember if you’ve said this already so forgive me if you have.

I’m using Glotropin.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the GH (and it is nice to know it is definitely legit GH because I wouldn’t be getting these sides from HcG or one of the other common fakes)…

I just think that for someone who is new to GH use it was stupid to think I could do IV injections with 4-8iu at a time…I should have started slow and worked my way up like everyone says you should but instead I just did the old trial and error method and in this case came up with an error.

I am sure that once I have given it a month or two off and start up again (slowly this time) I won’t have any issues as I was having no issues with the 8iu split into 3 injections (2iu, 3iu, 3iu) 3d/w…I ran into trouble when I started shooting larger amounts on a single shot (2iu, 2iu, 4iu…then 2iu, 6iu…then just one 8iu shot IV post workout which is what started to cripple me with the joint issues)…I think this is just too much GH for my body to handle at this point.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with the protocol as BBB listed it because I didn’t follow the protocol.

When I start up again I am going to start with 2iu 3x/w for a while and just see where that goes…hopefully I can eventually get to the point that I can run the proper protocol without any issues.

I imagine you are probably right about everything. I’m sure you know that Glotropin is what I used exclusively for the first three months of my run. I’m actually trying out a green top generic now from the same supplier (Hong Kong, not China), and am very happy with the results. To be honest, I cannot tell much difference between the two.

For what it’s worth, I think the largest dose of either brand I’ve used at one injection has been 4.5iu. I suffered no ill effects from this. I typically keep my dosage to 2.5 to 3.5iu, though sometimes I inject up to 6 times a day at these dosages, also without any issues.

Hope you are able to get going again, soon, bud. [/quote]

I am pretty sure it was due to the very large IV injections because the issue first started when I was doing the 5-6iu shots and then once I did the 8iu shots it got really bad so I pulled the plug…it has been less than a week and already my joints are starting to feel normal again so I think if I give it a month or two I will be fine and can resume things as originally intended.

I have always been the type of person that needs to know how much is too much and this is one case where I probably shouldn’t have.

[quote]Mr NO wrote:

This is the attitude!! , now I imagine your coach scoped you out at once![/quote]

I wouldn’t let him touch me, : D
I have to really trust you to let you manipulate my body when I am vulnerable.
I pretty much relax into the pain and let it flow out naturally - I usually heal quickly this way instead of wallowing - I also dislike being fussed over. Unless of course it is serious where in my book I have to be mostly unconscious or completely mobilized.
Otherwise I just deal with it and get on until it passes. [quote]

Do you have any nodules at the opposite side of the “snap” ? [/quote]

No. Before the snap there was no warning whatsoever - I was gently easing into a split on the floor and when I bent from the hip side ways toward the right leg I heard and felt the snap at the very beginning of my hamstring ( right under the glute ). Last night I had a pump going on until 4.30 am and I could feel this good energy flow in the muscle/ligament ( not sure ) from the knee,stronger at the point of origin ( hamstring/glute ) and all the way up my right side to the temporal lobe on my face.
I thought I must have had a knot in the muscle or a trapped nerve and when I stretched this came undone and now the tissue that was knotted came undone and this energy flow was evidence of restoration of balance. I could feel a good vibrating energy very strong only on my right side even my chest was pulsing! I felt very good while this was going on, actually. I kept the knee bent at 90 degrees since that was the most relaxing position and this energy just kept pumping and rushing through me on the right side from the knee to the right side of my face - I was fascinated by this.

Today I worked at the head office and was sitting for 8 hours. So I feel pain when sitting and leaning on that hamstring and when I bend at the hip around 90 degrees ( like a stiff legged dead lift ). When I curl I get relief. I can stand on that leg alone with about 10% of a bruised kind of pain.
It mostly feels like I have been hit a massive blow on that area and the muscle is like minced meat.
I think it is just overstretched. I only have 50% ROM on that leg - if I push further I experience 50% pain and it just locks there.[quote]

Do compare your leg’s do they look symmetrical[/quote] Yes, no swelling [quote]
Can you keep your leg straight without pain (I know your threshold is high, I mean NO pain)[/quote] Yes. It only hurts when I bend at the hip and try to put my head on my knee in a stretch. Then it goes really stiff and I cannot move it - pain or no pain.[quote]

Give your body a rest; a good week will work wonders. In your situation where your line of work keeps you in constant activity, when you come back you will be stronger faster and able to reach out farther.
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I forget the ice treatment: is it hot and cold on the second day or is it still 15min on ice 15min off?
And should I switch to an ED GH injection in your experience or keep to the supercharge protocol?

[quote] Brook wrote:

No, the other type of fit…[/quote]

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So sorry Brook, I can’t think straight at the moment and I am experiencing some mental density. I will take it that it was a compliment and I shall say thank you. When I come out of this mental fog I might get it.

: )

[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:

I have always been the type of person that needs to know how much is too much and this is one case where I probably shouldn’t have.[/quote]

I see this as a quality. You are fully in charge of discernment of where you boundaries lie exactly - that leaves your person completely free of doubt. So now that you are in a psychological state of absolution ( I love this state - it compensates for all losses IMO ) just put it down to experience and move on.

I am curious, what was your carb intake when you upped the dosage? I understand like myself and Mr No you are the other performance oriented experimenter of this protocol.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I wouldn’t let him touch me, : D
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LOL

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I can stand on that leg alone with about 10% of a bruised kind of pain.
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Good its not Torn ! :slight_smile:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I think it is just overstretched. I only have 50% ROM on that leg - if I push further I experience 50% pain and it just locks there.

Do compare your leg’s do they look symmetrical Yes, no swelling
Can you keep your leg straight without pain (I know your threshold is high, I mean NO pain) Yes. It only hurts when I bend at the hip and try to put my head on my knee in a stretch. Then it goes really stiff and I cannot move it - pain or no pain.
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Yes, its over-extension.

Again " give your body a rest, a good week will work wonders "
Get a good deep tissue massage with a hot-cold rub (your choice)
Forget the Ice use a anti-inflammatory drug

Regarding the GH protocol you should follow, Ill leave it to BBB.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
FuriousGeorge wrote:

I have always been the type of person that needs to know how much is too much and this is one case where I probably shouldn’t have.

I see this as a quality. You are fully in charge of discernment of where you boundaries lie exactly - that leaves your person completely free of doubt. So now that you are in a psychological state of absolution ( I love this state - it compensates for all losses IMO ) just put it down to experience and move on.

I am curious, what was your carb intake when you upped the dosage? I understand like myself and Mr No you are the other performance oriented experimenter of this protocol.
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My carb intake was pretty high…I generally eat fairly low carb but I had been ramping up since starting the GH to see how I would react. I didn’t start seeing any fat gain until I was really going nuts (bread/rice/pasta/fruit/juice/etc with every meal). In terms of performance enhancement it was ok…nothing like gear but, then again, what is? I noticed more of a physique enhancement than performance enhancement.

[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:

My carb intake was pretty high…I generally eat fairly low carb but I had been ramping up since starting the GH to see how I would react. I didn’t start seeing any fat gain until I was really going nuts (bread/rice/pasta/fruit/juice/etc with every meal). In terms of performance enhancement it was ok…nothing like gear but, then again, what is? I noticed more of a physique enhancement than performance enhancement. [/quote]

Do you think then that perhaps it was not necessarily the high GH dosage but rather the combination of the two factors : high GH injections and high carb intake?

The fact that you generally eat a fairly low carb diet and went loco with the choco must account for some of your symptoms, no?

I am actually thinking on shooting 10 iu once I settle with my nutrition.

I wonder what would have happened to your symptoms if you just went on ketosis for 7 days.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Brook wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

I decided to take this really seriously so this is for reference of where I am starting.

You’re fit.

Indeed she is. Dammit, I have to perform an in depth physical assessment on her in a couple of weeks, and must think strictly professional thoughts only.

It will be a challenge :wink:

BBB[/quote]

I am sorry I misunderstood this as well. I was upset about my injury and I missed the gist of your meaning.
I thought you said it was going to be a challenge because I was athletic - following from what I thought Brook was saying about being that fit.

When I replied jokingly ‘I told you’ I was referring to your thread as an osteomyologist by LR where I did tell you I was going to be a challenging case for you on account of my background in competitive swimming.

I completely lost myself in miscommunication there with the both of you, didn’t I?

!

I have excellent news.

My leg is completely healed.
No only is the pain completely gone I have also regained full ROM.
My lower back was a belt of tension and that is also now fully flexible and released.
I had two other minor injuries on the right side of my neck and on the right side of my upper back deep inside my shoulder blade, which would not loosen for two weeks and it is now completely healed.
I feel almost human again as opposed to a cannon ball.

After my energy rush released of the previous night I had a day of mental fog from feeling pain all over. In the evening when I asked about the GH protocol for healing I decided to inject 4 iu IM.

This brings 12 iu in 32 hours on a diet of 70% protein 20% fat 10% carbs roughly.
The day after the injury where I worked at the office, diet was as follows:

400g of fresh strawberries for breakfast.
HA shot 3 hours later.
2 cups of coffee with 3 tea spoons of coffeemate.

100g chicken liver grilled with 3 eggs - no fat.
HA shot 3 hours later.

GH protocol was as follows:

2iu IV
3iu IM Pre WO
3iu IV Post WO

After the injury I injected 4 iu IM 10 hours after my last 3iu IV injection and a 4 hour sleep and a semi-fasted day ( I feel this was very important ).

I took 2 Sodium Dicoflenac 50mg ( Prescription anti inflamatory drug as suggested by Mr No - I got this for my meniscus tear injury ) with a shot of whisky on the rocks ( as suggested by my id ) whilst sitting on a bag of ice cubs. Then took a hot bath and injected the 4 iu.

2 hours after the 4iu IM injection I experienced an extreme awareness - I was not stimulated but very alert and could not sleep. I began to experience some chest pain on the exact spot of my heart. I did not worry about this but paid close attention. It lasted for about 1 hour and because the pain was not worsening I told myself I was ok and got up to get some fresh air. It began to subside after about 2 hours from the 4iu IM injection and
that was when I fully owned my leg from pain and tension.
My leg was 100% mine again.
( I felt somewhat dismembered and disjointed after the injury, even my knee was aching ).

2 and 1/2 hours on and I felt my lower back be released.
The chest pain remained mildly but did not intensify. I stayed calm and just allowing and staying in full awareness with this process.

3 hours into the night I was not only alert and feeling vibrant but aware that the injury on my shoulder blade - which originated at a spot exactly opposite to my heart was completely healed. I could feel my deeper muscles behind the scapula and could move completely pain free.
I then realized the chest pain may have not been cardiac after all but whatever it was that was trapped, knotted, tense, bruised was being healed.

My neck is pain free.
My back is pain free.
My lower back is alive again.

After the previously mentioned rush of pulsating energy came a day of pain and after the pain came release.

I can honestly say I am relaxed.
I can feel/access every muscle in my body again.
( I have a very strong body awareness and before the HGH protocol I did not feel that I was ‘at home’ but just inhabiting my body without a full connection with it ).

I won’t be training until this process is fully realized and also because I am enjoying the pleasure of just feeling fully human again.

For what is worth I listened to Tango Jointz all night whilst this was taking place. I may not be relevant but it did help me relax into the process, fully breathe into it and allow the pain to find its way out me.

Aggressive GH protocol with a Latin twist.

A la Alpha F

; )

Got a few questions:

  1. If Im about to try 2iu hgh for healing my shoulder faster which approach seems best?
  • 2iu IM 5on 2of in the morning
  • 2iu IM eod morning
  • 2iu IM preworkout days and 2iu in the morning other free day for a total of 10-11iu/w?
  1. Do I change slin each day when doing IM and should I clean the area before like gear IM shots?

Thinking of using this aas also:
40-60mg var ed
400-600 EQ ew
200m test ew

The problem seems to be inflammation in the acjoint and antifl. havnt helped either nor glucosamine,msm or cissus, had the problem over 1 year :confused:

Thanks guys!
/J

An injection is an injection, practising good cleanliness is not something that you would do differently from one drug to the next.

[quote] Brook wrote:
An injection is an injection, practising good cleanliness is not something that you would do differently from one drug to the next.[/quote]

Yep even for the Lethal Injection they still alcohol swab you…

Go figure on that :smiley:

lmao! That is hilarious! i am not surprised of course but it is ironic as fuck!

HAHAhahaa!

So, also changing slin each day Is required right?

What about these:

  • 2iu IM 5on 2of in the morning
  • 2iu IM eod morning or preworkout on those days?
  • 2iu IM preworkout days and 2iu in the morning other free day for a total of 10-11iu/w?

Basically, whats best, easiest would be 5on2of but ofc I want to optimize!?

[quote]jasonxxx wrote:
So, also changing slin each day Is required right?

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If you’ll phrase your questions in the English language some of us may be better able to help you.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Brook wrote:
An injection is an injection, practising good cleanliness is not something that you would do differently from one drug to the next.

Yep even for the Lethal Injection they still alcohol swab you…

Go figure on that :smiley:

I wonder what would happen if you were about to be given a lethal injection and you refused the alcohol swab. Would Health & Safety (written with capitals to denote their demi-god status in current society) law dictate taht you could not be given the injection without the spurious swab or would they just wave ‘bye-bye’ and stick it in anyway?

BBB[/quote]

Dunno perhaps someone on death row should try it :smiley:

I rolled around in laughter when i heard it 1st, kinda redundant is it not !

Don’t want that last minute infection !