[quote] Brook wrote:
The point of my post is to illustrate that after just a couple of days of consecutive and regular use, the hunger is not as intense - which will affect not only the dose you can use, but the timing and its effectiveness (due to a lower blood-glucose level).
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See, this makes me think I’ve missed something somewhere, too. I have been under the impression that the G6 only needs to be run on those same days at the GH is run. So EOD to E3D.
I haven’t felt any reduction in the intensity of the hunger that comes on, but it now appears that maybe that’s because I’m going about things all wrong…?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Brook wrote:
The point of my post is to illustrate that after just a couple of days of consecutive and regular use, the hunger is not as intense - which will affect not only the dose you can use, but the timing and its effectiveness (due to a lower blood-glucose level).
See, this makes me think I’ve missed something somewhere, too. I have been under the impression that the G6 only needs to be run on those same days at the GH is run. So EOD to E3D.
I haven’t felt any reduction in the intensity of the hunger that comes on, but it now appears that maybe that’s because I’m going about things all wrong…?[/quote]
Not wrong - differently to me.
Remember C, i don’t use GH so when i use G6 i do so 1-4 x a day, everyday.
Your use is significantly more intermittent - which doesn’t give the same diminishing effect IME.
The point was - IF you chose to use it daily instead of EOD or whatever, then you would not be as sensitive to the extreme hunger and it may be more pleasant to use/easier to dose.
Sorry - maybe i should have said that from the beginning instead of assuming you’d read between the lines!
Nice to see a lot of familiar names still active. Been a bit bummed out after recent events so haven’t been in touch.
Cortes seems to have added countless pounds of muscle since the last photos i saw and DD as usual has the best avatar. BBB…sorry to hear that shit happened. Not sure of details but sorry mate.
Anyway, I don’t imagine I will be on here TOO often but will check in every now and then if anyone has some Physio/S&C questions.
Just glad to see you guys are still doing what you do best!
[quote] Brook wrote:
When you say lab rat - do you REALLY mean yourself?
This isn’t one of those sites where we need to say ‘SWIM’ is it now?[/quote]
Yeah, it was actually a joke. I’ve noticed quite a few guys saying ‘my friend is gonna run this’ or ‘my grandma has started your HGH protocol and wanted to know…’
Anyhow, my lab donkey noticed no hunger from 200mcg SubQ… I found that a little strange.
Hey guys. I probably should have got back with this a week ago but here I am now.
I went ahead and changed my G6 shots to 250mcg IM. First, I did this late at night, but not so late that I was going to sleep right away. About an hour after my shot, the hunger started coming on. This time it was not quite as strong, but still strong enough to have me binging on every simple-carb laden snack food that happened to be in my house.
This happened a second night, too, so last night I changed things up. I took my shot about 10 minutes before going to bed. This seems to be the sweet spot for me. I was able to fall asleep fine before the onset of the hunger. I did wake up about 3 or 4 hours later with a sort of “residual” feeling of hunger, but it was not so strong that I had to actually quell it. I just got up, went to the toilet, drank some water and went back to sleep. Felt fine in the morning.
My next question, if anyone can answer me, is this: How on earth can we actually know that the G6 is doing its job? (Meaning, in this case, suppressing the release of somatostatin)
Been away a while. I have been busy so not on as much. Glad to see you out bastard boy.
While I was gone I was fucking around with the doses of the GH a lot (using larger shots less frequently…as high as 8iu IV post workout) and had increased my carbs to a prety high level and I started experiencing some sides (joints started all locking up, abdominal protrusion, lethargy)
so I stopped about a week ago to let it clear out and have reduced my carb intake again…my joints are feeling better already and the abdominal protrusion seems to be going down.
I also started back on cycle a week ago (test/mast with a tren kickstart) so I am going to slowly ramp up the GH usage again in the next week or two. Prob going to start with 2 x 2iu 3x/w along with some GHRP6 and go back up to 8iu 3x/w but this time I am going to keep it to smaller shots (prob 4 x 2iu).
Between the 3x/w gear shots, GH shots, GHRP6 shots, and HCG shots I am gonna feel like a friggin pin cushion…if anyone has ideas as to how to combine any of these I am all ears (maybe combine the HCG and GHRP6 shot in one pin and shoot subq at the same time as the post workout IV GH shot?).
[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
Brook wrote:
I noticed no hunger from 200mcg SubQ… I found that a little strange.[/quote]
It depends.
If you are not in the slightest bit hungry, the hunger may be mild enough to go unnoticed. If you are full up, you wont feel a thing.
If you are getting ready to eat before you inject anyway, you will get ravenous post injection.
I also find that if I dose 200mcg at the exact time i have a small but high carb meal, i blunt the hunger effect significantly.
Plus, if you use it multiple times a day, 200mcg will have a less pronounced effect than if you dosed it EOD.
IME SC is so fast, there is really little benefit to IM injections (which seem to give a strange sensation around the skin on the skull).
[quote] Brook wrote:
xXDevilDogXx wrote:
Brook wrote:
I noticed no hunger from 200mcg SubQ… I found that a little strange.
It depends.
If you are not in the slightest bit hungry, the hunger may be mild enough to go unnoticed. If you are full up, you wont feel a thing.
If you are getting ready to eat before you inject anyway, you will get ravenous post injection.
I also find that if I dose 200mcg at the exact time i have a small but high carb meal, i blunt the hunger effect significantly.
Plus, if you use it multiple times a day, 200mcg will have a less pronounced effect than if you dosed it EOD.
IME SC is so fast, there is really little benefit to IM injections (which seem to give a strange sensation around the skin on the skull).[/quote]
Good to know, thanks.
I wonder why one can notice the effects from say, GHRP-6 or even MT-II, very rapidly from SubQ, but we are using HGH IV. Is it not being uptaken at the same speed as these other compounds? I always assumed we were trying to avoid some conversion loss by injecting IV vs SubQ. Are we really getting it there that much quicker? I know the results speak for themselves, but just wanted to play devils advocate for the sake of learning.
Nice to see a lot of familiar names still active. Been a bit bummed out after recent events so haven’t been in touch.
Cortes seems to have added countless pounds of muscle since the last photos i saw and DD as usual has the best avatar. BBB…sorry to hear that shit happened. Not sure of details but sorry mate.
Anyway, I don’t imagine I will be on here TOO often but will check in every now and then if anyone has some Physio/S&C questions.
Just glad to see you guys are still doing what you do best!
Cheers,
BastardBoy [/quote]
Hey, just caught this one, BB. Good to see you around again!
I hope you will stick around. You have always brought some much needed insights into the discussions around here.
From personal experience, the one really strong effect I notice from G6 is the hunger, and for me the difference between IV administration and IM is massive. I can only imagine that the difference would be that much more pronounced when compared to subq.
As an educated guess, I think any drug is going to enter the system faster with IV administration than the same drug administered Sub-cutaneously.
I expect part of the reason for the superior results from IV GH isn’t so much down to a higher bio-availability than when dosed Sub-C (as i thought was implied further up somewhere), but simply that our physiology (seems to) favours rapid and sharp increases of GH than a longer and more stable level over time, which coupled with the drastically different pharmacokinetics of Sub-c and IV GH make for a very significant amendment.
So while there may be a ‘significant’ difference between a GH and a GHRP graph comparing IV and SC administration of each drug, even if not Gh will lend itself to IV administration more due to it’s own mode of release in the body (which is related to its action i believe).
This is of course not news, as it was this which hinted at BBB to try IV GH in the first place…
