BBB's HGH Protocol

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Well I don’t put too much thought into it, since the original protocol calls for multiple daily shots, followed by 2 days ‘off’. This doesn’t really lend itself to dietary manipulation, as such.

Having said that, GH liberates fatty acids for use as energy. Since we all want to be leaner (and more muscular), then it makes sense to avoid GH with fatty meals (P+F) to a degree.

So one shot of GH with your morning HA shot (which I am rapidly becoming convinced is one of the most anabolic things I have ever tried) would liberate some fat, whilst you intake protein only. A shot before training, with your P+C, would liberate fat for fuel whilst training.

BBB[/quote]

Thanks BBB.

I’d like to hear more about this HA shot, LOL. Does it have something to do with the stuff they were discussing in the ‘I, BODYBUILDER’ article? I cant seem to find where they actually finished writing the info about it.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Your lethargy my be the start of insulin resistance. I suggest you have a couple of low carb days per week to re-establish insulin sensitivity.

BBB[/quote]

X2 , the above worked for me.

Alpha,

I modified my diet and the symptoms have receded:

To something like this:
WO days with weights and INTENSE cardio: normal
WO days with weights mild cardio: Carbs limited to the Post workout meal
WO days with only weights: Carbs only AM and glucose shot after WO
Days OFF: No Carbs

You were right, Its hard to leave the Surge, its phenomenal, now after a no carb weekend I feel great, full of energy ready to kick-ass but and leave my peers puking behind me.

E3D
2 ui morning IV
2 ui Pre WO IM
2 ui Post WO IV

I have tried some combinations of the GH protocol and the above is the one I believe yields the most performance in my case, especially the Pre WO IM shot.
I experience a noticeable increase in resistance, lactic acid tolerance is over the roof, assisted my the classic mental game feeling all powerful.

Now what concerns me; I have no need for appetite stimulants, I have no problem eating enough calories, but this protocol especially after the Post WO shot, unleashes unreal hunger, I could eat a COW!

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[quote]Mr NO wrote:

Alpha,

I modified my diet and the symptoms have receded:

To something like this:
WO days with weights and INTENSE cardio: normal
WO days with weights mild cardio: Carbs limited to the Post workout meal
WO days with only weights: Carbs only AM and glucose shot after WO
Days OFF: No Carbs [/quote]

NO, your feed back is invaluable to me, thank you for sharing.
The challenge that I face is that with my day job everyday is a work out day. If there is an emergency and the fish are suffocating to death in a big aquarium I sometimes have to shift 600 liters of water real fast to and fro the source of water ( which can be 100, 200 meters away from the aquarium, including going up and down stairs balancing 2 x 20 liter buckets ). This job has given me back and core muscles and strength which I did not accrue in 4 years of hard intense lifting at the gym when I worked as a manager. I would do this job I am now for free just for the muscle tone and strength benefits alone.
I sometimes have to climb up tall wobbly ladders balancing said bucket to top up the aquarium ( this has given me a core of steel! I love it!!! ).
You cannot expect me to do this carb depleted. Clearly.
( Not you personally, NO )
I cannot see myself achieving this carb depleted without causing a major flood and a lawsuit.
Some days are lighter and I just have to do engineering repairs and decoration of aquatic systems but on average there is always weight lifting and shifting involved.
After a day like this I hit the gym for more weights 4 times a week and 2 times a week 2 hours of intense cardio.

How on Jupiter am I supposed to operate like this with a bodybuilding diet?
So this is my challenge right there. I do not have a sedentary job and on coming home I just want to eat and rest. I have been good enough to reduce carb consumption and clean and natural carbs at that - as organic as possible. Would be a lot easier to just have candy between clients and keep going on the sugar rush…

Question to you though: Isn’t there a new consensus carbs are more effective pre WO? I could be mistaken.[quote]

You were right, Its hard to leave the Surge, its phenomenal, now after a â??no carbâ?? weekend I feel great, full of energy ready to kick-ass but and leave my peers puking behind me.
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This always makes me laugh…the image of you flying ahead of puking peers, lol!
I am currently doing a no carb weekend as I realize I really want to find my window with this protocol and I had a strong hunch it had something to do with insulin and carbs.[quote]

E3D
2 ui morning IV
2 ui Pre WO IM
2 ui Post WO IV
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Tonight I am starting 2 iu IV with 25mg progesterone injection. 2 iu tomorrow am IV with the HA shot ( hopefully that will diminish my carb craving ). Then 2 iu IM pre WO and 2 iu IV post WO. Will do EOD for the next 10 days with the progesterone injections because I am on my luteal phase and this is when my GH uptake should be optimized by my hormonal state. I will then take no GH for the first 4 days of menstruation ( taking anything at that time is completely useless IME ). Then resume the protocol as suggested by you above since post menses phase is allegedly medium uptake, so 6 iu E3D for 10 days. Then 8 iu during luteal phase again.

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I have tried some combinations of the GH protocol and the above is the one I believe yields the most performance in my case, especially the Pre WO IM shot.
I experience a noticeable increase in resistance and lactic acid tolerance is over the roof, assisted my the classic mental game and feeling all powerful.[/quote]
Thank you very much for sharing. I will adjust accordingly since our age, diet and goals are similar.[quote]

Now what concerns me; I have no need for appetite stimulants, I have no problem eating enough calories, but this protocol especially after the Post WO shot, unleashes â??unrealâ?? hunger, I could eat a COW!

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I may be at fault here but that is when I go for the kill: protein and fat to refuel. And I eat like a lioness.

Keep training!

Alpha Feline

: D

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Yeah, carbs preworkout are better IMO and IME than PWO, due to the insulin resistance issues caused by catecholamine release during exercise.

BBB[/quote]

BBB,

I get
Pre Waximaize with whey, IM GH
During Workout Fuel
Post I get a power gel, IV GH then +/- 30min later a meal.

Should I omit the gel ? I could live without it. After the stenouse workout I get, it acts like a surge of energy flowing trough me, then I get my IV and feel as if I could go for another run.

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[quote] Brook wrote:

This is a reason people choose casein at night. Many follow this protocol without knowing the depths of it - myself included until fairly recently.
(I was over at the supps and nutrition forum and it became clear that until reading about the protocol [which is advanced to say the least] many were not even using pre and post workout nutrition! In the Nutrition forum! THIS is why i stay in this forum, the other depress me).

JJ[/quote]

Same, I can’t even handle reading the other forums. This place is a haven though!

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Hey, if it’s working and you have no further requirements for leanness, then don’t fix what ain’t broke.

BBB[/quote]

Well, you just hit the -lean- spot :slight_smile:

I would like to drop 3% BF, with age this becomes a challenging task. (250lbs 11%)

I successfully dropped 3% BF 4 months ago and hit a wall; as a avid rat, learning/reading I began 2 months ago testing multiple combinations of your protocol in two weekers (only GH) and assessing results, the above is my personal favorite.

Although my physique and performance have improved considerably, I am far from my goal.

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That steroid regime needs some looking at…

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BBB i hate to disagree but you will find that body composition changes have nothing whatsoever to do with diet and everything to do with drugs, actually…

Hold on… um.

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I sprayed myself in the eye ball today with my suntan lotion.
That HURT ME FOR HOURS but on the positive side, it made me forget I was carb depleted.
I gave myself a deep cut on the finger fixing something in the house with a blade.

This is my first carb depleted day and already two accidents.

My concern is for tomorrow at work when I will be attempting another carbless day but I wont be relaxing in the park.
So, I will either carry my BananaBoat SPF 8 with me and spray myself in the eye if I feel like cheating OR carry one bag of that gel Mr NO uses post WO in case I feel I am accident prone.

“I wanna a little sugar in maa bowl
I wanna a little sweetness down in my soul
I could stand some loving… Oh so bad
I feel so funny I feel so sad…
I wanna a little steam on ma clothes
Maybe I can fix things up so they’ll go
What’s the matter daddy c’mon save my soul
I need some sugar in my bowl I ain’t fooling
I want some sugar in my bowl
You been acting different…I been told
Soothe me
I want some sugar in my bowl”

:frowning:

Nina Simone

DISCLAIMER: I am not flirting just singing.

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As always this has been a real eye opener. Looks like I will be making some changes from what we talked about BBB. Since I have a few more months tell this all goes into effect I am sure I will have some rewrites.

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I have a question regarding the addition of GHRP-6. How important is the timing of that pre-bed shot?

I’ve been taking it around 2 hours before I go to bed. Is this too long before sleeping to effect somatostatin inhibition? I’m wondering if I should be taking it right before I crash. Problem is the INSANE hunger that comes on within 10 seconds of the IV shot…

I’m thinking I’m going to have to drop to under 200mcg on my on-days, as the hunger and subsequent pig out are more than I appear to be capable of controlling with simple will power. Last night I had two big bowls of chili with cheese and three ice cream bars along with a big glass of whole milk. Damn. Maybe in certain situation this would be okay, but, being right before bed, this does not strike me as the best “meal timing.”

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
Question BBB,

What do you think is the optimal time for spacing the IV/IM shots out during the day in terms of hours? What is the minimum time you would like to space them out during the day?

Upon rising, before cardio, lunch time, before weights, before bed.

BBB[/quote]

I got that from your last couple threads. Sorry, should have been clearer–I meant as an " no more often than every 1.5 hour/2 hour/3 hour" sort of thing. Basically for people whose schedules workout at odd intervals, like say they have to train 1 hour after they get up, or 2 hours after they get up, or 1 hour before they go to bed (although in that case it probably would be easy to just keep the schedule).

I would think training 2 hours after waking up would be on the minimum side of how frequent you would want to do an IM shot… so would you do only 1 wake-up shot then before training, or do one upon rising and then 1 an hour later before training (or 2 hours later), and then PWO?

Sorry mate.

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With GHRP if you use it regularly the effect is blunted; it isn’t as intense.

Now, while Ghrelin is likely a factor for the rise in GH it may mean that less is secreted, however this does not mean that the somatostatin inhibition is any less.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
With GHRP if you use it regularly the effect is blunted; it isn’t as intense.

Now, while Ghrelin is likely a factor for the rise in GH it may mean that less is secreted, however this does not mean that the somatostatin inhibition is any less.
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Not sure if this is a response to my post. If not, please forgive me.

I was more talking about the timing of the pre-bed shot, rather than the total amount taken.

I am taking it around 2-3 hours before I go to sleep, only on days that I also take GH, and only that one shot. So I am only running 250mcg E3D so far (starting with EOD tomorrow, actually).

Just wondering if I should take the shot closer to the time I’m going to fall asleep (perhaps feed first, then take the shot), or if it really doesn’t make much difference.

Again, the only reason I’m using the G6 is for its apparent effects upon somatostatin release.

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The point of my post is to illustrate that after just a couple of days of consecutive and regular use, the hunger is not as intense - which will affect not only the dose you can use, but the timing and its effectiveness (due to a lower blood-glucose level).